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Nick, in the Conception thread you are noted as saying:
“Will you say Elizabeth did not naturally conceive a son? Then since scripture uses the same word why do you say Mary did not conceive?” p.14
And again you say, “Jesus is the literal Son of God.” p.9
Again, “He is the physical Son of God by the conception through the Holy Spirit in Mary.” p.2
Lastly, “If Jesus was truly conceived from God's Spirit and Mary then that could not be when he became the Son of God. That would make him the Son of God and Mary. p.16
On the very same page, “Jesus is the physical son of God.”
Your theology is not consistent (and I'm only on p.16). The reason I bring this to light is because I have been so desperately trying to follow you. But, alas, I feel as though we are going around in circles. Just when I believe we have laid a foundation of understanding, we go back to the beginning again. I'm not sure if you are doing this for my benefit somehow? or if you are just trying to encourage me? in any case, I'm ready to let it rest. I had hoped to come to a clearer understanding of who you think Jesus was/was/and is now, but I do believe we have exhausted our ideas together on this.
The body that was prepared for Jesus was prepared by God – how? The gospels tell us the simple story: God selected a virgin named Mary, and his holy Spirit overshadowed her and she conceived. The babe born was a boy and given the name Jesus. The steps are simple and I believe that is why they are a stumbling block for some. Scripture taken at face value tells us that the body prepared for Jesus was prepared in the womb of Mary – Jesus is truly the Son of The Almighty God, and puny Man.
Thanks for all the chats, Nick, it has been my extreme pleasure. I think I'll do some more reading and research on this site for a while and chill on the posting. I need more knowledge. Pray the Spirit will teach me what I so desire to know. God bless you and yours, Mandy
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 18 2007,12:24) Nick, in the Conception thread you are noted as saying: “Will you say Elizabeth did not naturally conceive a son? Then since scripture uses the same word why do you say Mary did not conceive?” p.14
And again you say, “Jesus is the literal Son of God.” p.9
Again, “He is the physical Son of God by the conception through the Holy Spirit in Mary.” p.2
Lastly, “If Jesus was truly conceived from God's Spirit and Mary then that could not be when he became the Son of God. That would make him the Son of God and Mary. p.16
On the very same page, “Jesus is the physical son of God.”
Your theology is not consistent (and I'm only on p.16). The reason I bring this to light is because I have been so desperately trying to follow you. But, alas, I feel as though we are going around in circles. Just when I believe we have laid a foundation of understanding, we go back to the beginning again. I'm not sure if you are doing this for my benefit somehow? or if you are just trying to encourage me? in any case, I'm ready to let it rest. I had hoped to come to a clearer understanding of who you think Jesus was/was/and is now, but I do believe we have exhausted our ideas together on this.
The body that was prepared for Jesus was prepared by God – how? The gospels tell us the simple story: God selected a virgin named Mary, and his holy Spirit overshadowed her and she conceived. The babe born was a boy and given the name Jesus. The steps are simple and I believe that is why they are a stumbling block for some. Scripture taken at face value tells us that the body prepared for Jesus was prepared in the womb of Mary – Jesus is truly the Son of The Almighty God, and puny Man.
Thanks for all the chats, Nick, it has been my extreme pleasure. I think I'll do some more reading and research on this site for a while and chill on the posting. I need more knowledge. Pray the Spirit will teach me what I so desire to know. God bless you and yours, Mandy
That's all their is! Unless you get a revelation from the Spirit.You say we end up in circles. Circles have NO END!
There is no End to His Glory! Remember when you were a child you asked Why? My mom would finally say Because! But because WHY
Hi C,
You say in another thread
“The gospel of Jesus (doing Gods will) and then the gospel of Paul ( Jesus killed as an atoning sacrifice and soon to return).There was the religion of Jesus, then Paul's Christianity became a religion about Jesus.
As for scripture just look for Jesus words then compare them to all others.”
Jesus was the sacrificial Lamb of God, the single grain of wheat, that had to fall to earth in death that many might live.
Paul expounded but did not alter the message that continued through Christ in him.
John 1:29
Jesus the Lamb of God
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Hi mk,
Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Revelation 21:27
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.So the writing in the Lamb's book is from the foundation of the world
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Is this saying the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world? Or is it saying the writing is only there from the foundation, and the book of life belongs to the slain lamb?
Hi mk,
See above.
Also note other translations.
NASB
8All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.ESV
8and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.Hi,
Lk 12
32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.The JWs falsely teach that this is an exclusive group.
God gives the kingdom to all the sheep following the shepherdhi n
Lk 12
32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
Rev 7:9 After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
Rev 7:10 And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”WHICH ONE OF THOSE TWO GROUPS ARE A LITTLE FLOCK
Hi,
Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God.
Life is in the blood so the sacrificial lamb was exsanguinated.
The same happened with the Lamb of God from whom his blood ran till it was water.
Then when he was raised and showed his old body to his brothers it was as flesh and bones, not blood. Lk 24
Hi,
1 Cor 10.16
Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ?
Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ?
Since there is one bread, we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one bread.
Look at the nation Israel; are not those who eat the sacrifices sharers in the altar?
Do this in memory of me.
At the table the body and blood of Christ are reunited in us.
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