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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 05 2006,09:53) Hi Malcolm,
But the body comes from a conceptus derived from the union of seeds from two parents and is only fed in the womb by the blood of the mother.
This quote was in response to Malcolm who had said Jesus' body came from the dust of the earth.Nick, you are here describing a natural conception for Jesus. Do you believe this? Do you believe in the “union” of the two “seeds from two parents”?
Plus, the male is repsonsible for the blood of the child, the women does not contribute to the making of blood (which is kinda cool in Jesus' case because we can see that God truly contributed innocent blood to his Son). The placenta contribute nutrients, but not blood – right?
In another place you tell Malcolm that God “implanted” a “embryo” in Mary? This is confusing to me considering your above description of conception. An “embryo” implantation would not receive anything from the Mother – it would be a saragate situation there. You seem to be speaking two different thoughts here. When you have time, can you review it and clarify. Thanks.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 05 2006,13:57) Hi Malcolm,
The Word, a rational being of high and divine nature, is conceived\implanted as an embryo and goes through all the normal development stages to becoming a man. It seems to show that the influence of our earthy body overwhelms all other influences, it seems to be the dominant force in human growth?
This is the other post of yours that I was referring to.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 05 2006,13:57) Hi Malcolm,
The Word, a rational being of high and divine nature, is conceived\implanted as an embryo and goes through all the normal development stages to becoming a man. It seems to show that the influence of our earthy body overwhelms all other influences, it seems to be the dominant force in human growth?
Hi not3,
Every successful conception from cells derived from two parents containing half the genes of both father and mother leads to an embryo, which implants in the uterine wall.Thus an embryo, derived from half the genes from each parent develops as a body, including blood, which is fed by the blood of the mother.
Yes, what you say is absolutely true! However, you had said that God implanted the Word as an embryo in Mary! Meaning, that the cell division had already taken place.
The reason I want clarification, is because if you believe that cell division happened during conception…..you must see how that affects your already preexistent spirit son theory?
Hi not3,
Every healthy embryo implants.
That has nothing to do with conception which has already taken place.
So what is your point Mandy?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2007,06:10) Hi not3,
Every healthy embryo implants.
That has nothing to do with conception which has already taken place.
So what is your point Mandy?
My point is that an “embryo” is formed out of sperm and ovum fusing together……..Do you believe this happened in the conception of Jesus?
Hi not3,
It is not specified how
but God is the father of Jesus by conception in Mary through the Holy Spirit.My point is that an “embryo” is formed out of sperm and ovum fusing together……..
Do you believe this happened in the conception of Jesus?
Hi not3,
It is not specified how
but God is the father of Jesus by conception in Mary through the Holy Spirit.
OK, around and around we go.
“If” you were to accept that Jesus was conceived and the pregnancy was a normal one, you would have to readjust your theology brother, and you know this is true which is why you will not directly give your opinion. That's OK, I respect the fact that we must all gaurd what truth we feel we have been given.
But on the other hand, that is why I am here —- to see if what I have adopted as truth really stands up. I am willing to look at your theory but I sense that you are not willing to even get close to mine. It would help me sort through things if you would come close enough to see it all the way through and the implications of what both theories present.
1. Your theory = Jesus #1
2. My theory = Jesus #2Who is correct?
Hi,
Ps 31
Psalm 31
1In thee, O LORD, do I put my trust; let me never be ashamed: deliver me in thy righteousness.2Bow down thine ear to me; deliver me speedily: be thou my strong rock, for an house of defence to save me.
3For thou art my rock and my fortress; therefore for thy name's sake lead me, and guide me.
4Pull me out of the net that they have laid privily for me: for thou art my strength.
5Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.
6I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the LORD.
7I will be glad and rejoice in thy mercy: for thou hast considered my trouble; thou hast known my soul in adversities;
8And hast not shut me up into the hand of the enemy: thou hast set my feet in a large room.
9Have mercy upon me, O LORD, for I am in trouble: mine eye is consumed with grief, yea, my soul and my belly.
10For my life is spent with grief, and my years with sighing: my strength faileth because of mine iniquity, and my bones are consumed.
11I was a reproach among all mine enemies, but especially among my neighbours, and a fear to mine acquaintance: they that did see me without fled from me.
12I am forgotten as a dead man out of mind: I am like a broken vessel.
13For I have heard the slander of many: fear was on every side: while they took counsel together against me, they devised to take away my life.
14But I trusted in thee, O LORD: I said, Thou art my God.
15My times are in thy hand: deliver me from the hand of mine enemies, and from them that persecute me.
16Make thy face to shine upon thy servant: save me for thy mercies' sake.
17Let me not be ashamed, O LORD; for I have called upon thee: let the wicked be ashamed, and let them be silent in the grave.
18Let the lying lips be put to silence; which speak grievous things proudly and contemptuously against the righteous.
19Oh how great is thy goodness, which thou hast laid up for them that fear thee; which thou hast wrought for them that trust in thee before the sons of men!
20Thou shalt hide them in the secret of thy presence from the pride of man: thou shalt keep them secretly in a pavilion from the strife of tongues.
21Blessed be the LORD: for he hath shewed me his marvellous kindness in a strong city.
22For I said in my haste, I am cut off from before thine eyes: nevertheless thou heardest the voice of my supplications when I cried unto thee.
23O love the LORD, all ye his saints: for the LORD preserveth the faithful, and plentifully rewardeth the proud doer.
24Be of good courage, and he shall strengthen your heart, all ye that hope in the LORD.
The last moments before Christ died?
What we believe about what the Lamb of God is will shape who we believe the Lamb of God to be. It also puts into focus the reason we needed the Lamb and what the Lamb's purpose truly was.
Hi not3,
The lamb had to be chosen from the flock of man-Christ is a man of body soul and spirit.
The lamb had to be flawless-Christ was tempted but overcame sin in the flesh.
He had to die as there is no forgiveness without shedding of blood.
He carried our sin.1Peter 2
21For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:22Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
23Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1Peter 3
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:I guess you'll have to forgive me. No other subject really pulls me in quite like finding out who and what Jesus is. Depending on those answers, I can investigate all other matters.
So far, we have several “different” Jesus' and Lamb's of God on this site!
Hi,
One thing is for sure that the lamb sacrificed on behalf of man had to be taken from the flock of man. Jesu was really a man, not a man\god.food for thought
Those under the Law, preach the Law, cursed are they that do not follow the Law, the Law was deliverd to the Sinners, and so they shall seek there pardon of trespass by sacrifice
Lev 14:24 And the priest shall take the lamb of the trespass offering, and the log of oil, and the priest shall wave them [for] a wave offering before the LORD:
Lev 14:25 And he shall kill the lamb of the trespass offering, and the priest shall take [some] of the blood of the trespass offering, and put [it] upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot:
Isa 66:3 He that killeth an ox [is as if] he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, [as if] he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, [as if he offered] swine's blood; he that burneth incense, [as if] he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
Jer 11:19 But I [was] like a lamb [or] an ox [that] is brought to the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me, [saying], Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof, and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.Jhn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world…. and I hear all the people say Amen ?
Deu 27:24 Cursed [be] he that smiteth his neighbour secretly. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Deu 27:25 Cursed [be] he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Deu 27:26 Cursed [be] he that confirmeth not [all] the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2007,10:49) Hi,
One thing is for sure that the lamb sacrificed on behalf of man had to be taken from the flock of man. Jesu was really a man, not a man\god.
No man/god?Yet Jesus IS the “Son of Man” AND the “Son of God.”
What does that combination look like?
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