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Hi 94,
Not fair 94.
Goats will remain.
But my guess is that far more will be saved in the final judgement than we could expect.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2008,06:24) Hi 94,
Not fair 94.
Goats will remain.
But my guess is that far more will be saved in the final judgement than we could expect.
Well that is your “guess” and I hope that you are right. I also would hope that Gene and Chosenone are right in saying “that all will be saved”. I just do not believe that the scripture teaches this.God Bless
Hi 94,
Mt20
11And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,12Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
13But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
God decides which work is sufficient.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2008,06:35) Hi 94,
Mt20
11And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,12Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
13But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
God decides which work is sufficient.
It is not the quantity but the quality of the works. Only those which are done with a pure motive of love are accepted. There will be some who are saved just before the Lord comes for the church. Obviously, they will not have the time to do as many “good works” as someone who was saved 20 years prior to the Lord's coming and who has been obeying the Lord from that time until he comes. I believe that this is what these scriptures indicate.Hi 94,
Good works in Christ are the natural fruit of the vine.
They cannot save us as we are reliant on the righteousness of the vine.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2008,13:24) Hi 94,
Good works in Christ are the natural fruit of the vine.
They cannot save us as we are reliant on the righteousness of the vine.
It is only because we are in the body of Christ that we know of the good works that we do as Christians, but since even when we obey we make mistakes, it is only by the blood which cleanses from all sin that we can be saved.Hi94,
To be frank I think the work we do in the vine is largely unknown to us.
We are vessels used as He wishes.
Not striving.Zech 4
Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.Ephesians 2:9
Not of works, lest any man should boast.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2008,14:13) Hi94,
To be frank I think the work we do in the vine is largely unknown to us.
We are vessels used as He wishes.
Not striving.Zech 4
Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.Ephesians 2:9
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Hi Nick:Quote Jam 2:14 ¶ What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jam 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jam 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be [ye] warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what [doth it] profit?
Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.Quote Jam 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin. Quote 1Jo 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousnessQuote 1Jo 2:3 ¶ And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.Quote 1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jo 3:10 ¶ In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.God Bless
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2008,15:04) Hi 94,
It is not what we do
but what he does through us.
Hi Nick:Yes, it is God doing the work through us, but we can either obey or not. It is up to us to apply what He teaches us.
Jesus said: “If you love me, keep my commandments.” I do love him and I do keep his commandments, but not without making mistakes. How about you?
I already explained to you why I use the word “strive”. If there is a better word to use here to explain that although I am obeying the Word of God I make mistakes, please let me know.
Hi 94,
If we concentrate on obeying external laws we can frustrate the work of the inner law of the Spirit.
Yes we should walk in ways of righteousness but as free men.Hi 94,
We can try too hard and the clamour of our thoughts and our own efforts can make the peace dissipate.Psalm 4:4
Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still.Psalm 23:2
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.Psalm 46:10
Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.John 14:27
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.Hi Nick:
I confessed Jesus as my Lord, and I obey him out of my love for him and for humanity.
I am not in bondage. It is all about love.
God Bless and good night. It is approaching the time for me to get off work.
Hi,
Some think this is just symbolic for a cleansing ritual to save the lost, sort of a purgatory.Rev21
8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.Seems they never make it in through those gates.
rev 21
25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.26And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Rev22
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Nick in context
Rv 21:27 is followed by water of life coming from the throne of God and leaves of the tree of life which is for the healing of the nations
Rev 22:1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations.
Hi,
So who fuels this fire?
Jn15
6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.Matthew 3:10
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.Matthew 3:12
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.Matthew 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.Matthew 13:40
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.Matthew 13:42
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Nick
Did you notice Rev. 19:20 says, they were cast into “a” lake of fire? Are there several lakes of fire?
You also say the lake of fire is not for men, explain to me the next four scripture, especially v. 15.Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Georg
Hi Georg,
Same lake of fire.
Why does it confuse you?It is a serious thing to join the body of Christ but not submit to his Lordship.
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