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Hi 94,
Sheep are sheep because they follow a shepherd?
Sheep are sheep because God says they are.Goats are goats because they did not listen to the shepherd?
Mt 25 is salvation by works done to those in Christ.It is scriptural that those who give a glass of water to us because we belong to Christ will not lose their reward.
Even the 'bad' can be saved if God chooses to take them from the highways and byways to complete His table.
God is sovereign and not legalistic.
We have no right to define His behaviours of love and mercy even by the Word.
Hi Nick:
You say:
Quote We have no right to define His behaviours of love and mercy even by the Word. It is by His Word that he defines His behaviours of love and mercy.
How do you interpret the following scriptures?
Quote 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Quote Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Quote Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. You say:
Quote God is sovereign and not legalistic. He is sovereign and can do whatsoever He chooses, but He given us His Word and He will not do anything contrary to His Word.
Quote Mat 10:32 ¶ Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heavenQuote Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
Mat 10:40 ¶ He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Mat 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
Mat 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold [water] only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.I also do not want any man to perish and I am going to do all that I can to let those who want to hear of the love and mercy of God. After I have informed them, It is their choice.
Hi 94,
The way of Jesus is into the Millenial Kingdom.
But that kingdom goes beyond the millenium and the judgement of the nations.
We are extolled in Heb 4 to ensure our entry through the way of Jesus but God's mercy goes beyond the Way.God is not limited by what is revealed about Him in His Word.
Hi 94,
Look at the beatitudes, the blessed promises of Mt 5, and show us how they involve rebirth into the kingdom.
What of those taken from the highways and byways?
What of those who give a cup of water?These do not relate to salvation by rebirth from above but are of the mercy of a God of love.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 05 2008,14:14) Hi 94,
The way of Jesus is into the Millenial Kingdom.
But that kingdom goes beyond the millenium and the judgement of the nations.
We are extolled in Heb 4 to ensure our entry through the way of Jesus but God's mercy goes beyond the Way.God is not limited by what is revealed about Him in His Word.
Hi Nick:Your opinion?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 05 2008,14:24) Hi 94,
Look at the beatitudes, the blessed promises of Mt 5, and show us how they involve rebirth into the kingdom.
What of those taken from the highways and byways?
What of those who give a cup of water?These do not relate to salvation by rebirth from above but are of the mercy of a God of love.
Hi Nick:What about the scriptures that I quoted?
Hi 94,
As soon as you reveal these verses.“Look at the beatitudes, the blessed promises of Mt 5, and show us how they involve rebirth into the kingdom.
What of those taken from the highways and byways?
What of those who give a cup of water? “Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 05 2008,14:14) Hi 94,
The way of Jesus is into the Millenial Kingdom.
But that kingdom goes beyond the millenium and the judgement of the nations.
We are extolled in Heb 4 to ensure our entry through the way of Jesus but God's mercy goes beyond the Way.God is not limited by what is revealed about Him in His Word.
Hi 94,
So Jesus is the appointed King in the kingdom of God.
His millenial reign from Jerusalem is shown here.
But then he gives that kingdom to God.1Cor 15
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
So the second resurrection of the heathen nations is after the kingdom of Jesus Christ
I believe this urges us to enter through the gate of Jesus.
heb4
1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 05 2008,15:14) Hi 94,
As soon as you reveal these verses.“Look at the beatitudes, the blessed promises of Mt 5, and show us how they involve rebirth into the kingdom.
What of those taken from the highways and byways?
What of those who give a cup of water? “
Hi Nick:Quote Mat 5:1 ¶ And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,Jesus was teaching his disciples, and so what he is teaching relates to his disciples.
Quote Luk 14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel [them] to come in, that my house may be filled. He says go and “compel” them to come into his house. Just another way of saying go and preach the gospel.
The scripture about the cup of water is found in Matt. 10. I posted some of these scriptures for you before but apparently did not read them, and so, I'll show you them again:
Quote
Mat 10:32 ¶ Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heavenQuote Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
Mat 10:40 ¶ He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Mat 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
Mat 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold [water] only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.The Key scripture here in understanding Matt. 10:42 is Matt. 10:40 which states:
Quote He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me Hi 94,
Read 1 Peter and you will see how god advises us to live among the heathen, not constantly striving to desperately share the gospel at every possible opportunity with everyone we meet in the thought that it is the only possible means of salvation for them. Instead it advises us to live kindly and peaceably among them and to take the God given opportunities when they arise to share.It is a wonderful thing to be found worthy to be involved in the rerstoration of order on the earth during the millenial period but it is not the last hope as the judgement which includes God's mercy is after that time.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 05 2008,15:33) Hi 94,
Read 1 Peter and you will see how god advises us to live among the heathen, not constantly striving to desperately share the gospel at every possible opportunity with everyone we meet in the thought that it is the only possible means of salvation for them. Instead it advises us to live kindly and peaceably among them and to take the God given opportunities when they arise to share.It is a wonderful thing to be found worthy to be involved in the rerstoration of order on the earth during the millenial period but it is not the last hope as the judgement which includes God's mercy is after that time.
Hi Nick:Your opinion, but not scriptual. John 3:16-18.
Hi 94,
Jn3
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Must you ordain the will of God to be without mercy?
Mercy TRIUMPHS OVER judgementQuote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 05 2008,16:30) Hi 94,
Jn3
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Must you ordain the will of God to be without mercy?
Mercy TRIUMPHS OVER judgement
Hi Nick:Mercy triumphs over judgment is a true statement, and that is why God has given us our Lord Jesus to be the propitiation for our sins. Otherwise, where would we be?
Hi 94,
You must find room for God's mercy.
Romans 9:15
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Romans 9:18
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
1 Timothy 1:13
Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.God gives mercy to those He chooses.
Matthew 22:10
So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.Hi 94,
In the courts it is called clemency.
A guilty person can plead for and receive mercy.
I believe our God of love will find excuses for as many as he can.Of course that does not alter what we must preach, the gospel of Jesus Christ, but we cannot condemn anyone for refusing to listen as the final call remains in the hand of our Sovereign God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2008,05:13) Hi 94,
In the courts it is called clemency.
A guilty person can plead for and receive mercy.
I believe our God of love will find excuses for as many as he can.Of course that does not alter what we must preach, the gospel of Jesus Christ, but we cannot condemn anyone for refusing to listen as the final call remains in the hand of our Sovereign God.
Hi Nick:It is not my commision to condemn anyone, but it is to preach the gospel.
Again, do you believe John 3:16-18 or do you want to write your own gospel?
Hi 94,
That is what we preach.
But it does not limit the mercy of God.Can you accept God has the final call?
Hi 94,
We preach the gospel of the kingdom.
We do not preach presumption or reliance on possible mercy.
But it is freeing to know that God is in charge of the final fate of every man, not us.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2008,06:12) Hi 94,
That is what we preach.
But it does not limit the mercy of God.Can you accept God has the final call?
Yes, but you seem to want to have the final call. God has shown us through His Word what He will do. If He can have mercy on someone, I am all in favor of it.
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