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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,23:06) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,22:05) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,21:36) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,21:19) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,20:30) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,20:24) Don't worry Ed, I think your god is brutal too. He murdered poor Uzzah, who was only trying to help! BD leaps from subject to subject in an attempt to dodge answering valid arguments. He will move from homosexuality to the cost of real estate, just you see!
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Nicole Tesla surmised that the arc was “a Giant Capacitor”.
If true then the cause of death would have been an electric shock;
thus an accident. Once discharged it was safe to touch!Ed J
So you are saying that the bible is wrong, and in fact god never intended that Uzzah die?1 Chronicles 13:10 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzza, and he smote him, because he put his hand to the ark: and there he died before God.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Chronicles was written by Scribes of the King, NOT a Prophet of YHVH(The LORD); do you know the difference?
God bless
ED J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So Chronicles is part of the bible that is not divine-inspired?Is 2 Samuel 6:7 good enough for you then?
Stuart
Stuart, Stuart, Stuart,That's the same account.
Ed J
I know. Isn't Samuel a prophet though?!Does that count as divine-inspired enough for you to believe it?
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,23:06) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,22:05) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,21:36) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,21:19) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,20:30) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,20:24) Don't worry Ed, I think your god is brutal too. He murdered poor Uzzah, who was only trying to help! BD leaps from subject to subject in an attempt to dodge answering valid arguments. He will move from homosexuality to the cost of real estate, just you see!
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Nicole Tesla surmised that the arc was “a Giant Capacitor”.
If true then the cause of death would have been an electric shock;
thus an accident. Once discharged it was safe to touch!Ed J
So you are saying that the bible is wrong, and in fact god never intended that Uzzah die?1 Chronicles 13:10 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzza, and he smote him, because he put his hand to the ark: and there he died before God.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Chronicles was written by Scribes of the King, NOT a Prophet of YHVH(The LORD); do you know the difference?
God bless
ED J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So Chronicles is part of the bible that is not divine-inspired?Is 2 Samuel 6:7 good enough for you then?
Stuart
Stuart, Stuart, Stuart,That's the same account.
Ed J
ED,Did you read the post I made about The Atheists Disease?
You are not helping STU at all by denying what the Bible actually says and STU is right about what happened in the Bible wouldn't have made more sense for you to say:
“God smote him there for his error”?
If you didn't understand you should have said “STU, I don't know why” But to deny it happened or disregard entire books of the Bible only to be told by a Non-believer that it is located in another part that according to your own words cannot be disregarded is fools play.
I think you might not be ready to confront STU as you keep trying to appeal to him and as I explained you will have to do some mental gymnastics to work around being simply Honest.
You also are being on the other hand quite obnoxious with KM trying to give her false feelings of guilt, don't you think it is wrong to manipulate someone simply to try to get them to “prove” their not upset with you? Sounds like schoolboy seduction, you know what I mean if you weren't upset you would…. It's called emotional blackmail.
If she apoligized you should do your part and accept it and move on unless you deem yourself fit to know her every intent which is a job better left to GOD.
Its ok Bod, Ed is just saying things to try and get me to be more honest etc. Thats all. I dont mind.
Im supposed to be helping Muslims learn of the Gospel which is what I believe I was shown to do, but instead am being drawn into Islam.
Whatever happens I have to just trust God.
Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 25 2010,19:23) Thanks Bod but according to Christianity and Islam too, we are -living in sin- and should either stop it, or get married. Common law only applies to property.
karmarie,no, karmarie you are married. having a piece of paper stating that you 'jump over the broom stick' does not make a marriage.
consumation does.
call him your husband, for he is.
and always remember, men are just four year olds that shave.
take care
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,15:35) Quote (princess of the king @ Jan. 25 2010,14:52) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,14:22) Quote So what you believe is that ALL ORTHODOX JEWS are either liars or delusional? Anyone who has a god-belief is delusional. You, and any christian who actually really believes in a god, and you too.
Stuart
stuart,prove to me with the love in your heart that there is not a creator of sound light and vibration.
can you do it with love stuart, or can you only do it with facts.
you are no better then the ones you call delusion if you cannot, then the message you bring is not to help or heal it is only to destroy and hurt.
Of course there is a creator of vibration and sound and light. Many, actually. I am one of them, as are you. Everytime I open my gob, vibration causes sound to emerge, and much light with it!…sometimes.
Hate to be pedantic, but I do not keep 'love' in my heart: it lives somewhere in my brain, and expresses itself as arousal of the parasympathetic system.
Not bad for a frog, eh?!
Stuart
*apparently, this is the reason you have not beeen turned into a prince.Quote If you didn't understand you should have said “STU, I don't know why” But to deny it happened or disregard entire books of the Bible only to be told by a Non-believer that it is located in another part that according to your own words cannot be disregarded is fools play.
Again, you have not actually read (or comprehended) what Ed wrote. He was making some point about not accepting the word of a king in the OT. That is why I gave him the alternative version under the name of a prophet (Samuel).It was not just a case of reinforcing the appearance of the story, but some problem he has with the probity of some of the writing in the bible.
Obviously he believes that the bible is less than 100% divinely inspired. I am only a short distance ahead of him at 0%!
Stuart
BD
Oops, I retract that statement about you not understanding Ed's point, because actually I think you did.
My apologies.
Stuart
Quote (princess of the king @ Jan. 26 2010,08:26) and always remember, men are just four year olds that shave. take care
I reakon!
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,23:11) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,23:06) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,22:05) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,21:36) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,21:19) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,20:30) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,20:24) Don't worry Ed, I think your god is brutal too. He murdered poor Uzzah, who was only trying to help! BD leaps from subject to subject in an attempt to dodge answering valid arguments. He will move from homosexuality to the cost of real estate, just you see!
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Nicole Tesla surmised that the arc was “a Giant Capacitor”.
If true then the cause of death would have been an electric shock;
thus an accident. Once discharged it was safe to touch!Ed J
So you are saying that the bible is wrong, and in fact god never intended that Uzzah die?1 Chronicles 13:10 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzza, and he smote him, because he put his hand to the ark: and there he died before God.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Chronicles was written by Scribes of the King, NOT a Prophet of YHVH(The LORD); do you know the difference?
God bless
ED J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So Chronicles is part of the bible that is not divine-inspired?Is 2 Samuel 6:7 good enough for you then?
Stuart
Stuart, Stuart, Stuart,That's the same account.
Ed J
I know. Isn't Samuel a prophet though?!Does that count as divine-inspired enough for you to believe it?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,“Yes Samuel was a Prophet, but Samuel did NOT write the book of Samuel”.
The book of Samuel is another book of records of the children of Israel;
similar to the books of Chronicles and Kings.Try again.
Ed J
Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,07:26) Its ok Bod, Ed is just saying things to try and get me to be more honest etc. Thats all. I dont mind. Im supposed to be helping Muslims learn of the Gospel which is what I believe I was shown to do, but instead am being drawn into Islam.
Whatever happens I have to just trust God.
The Gospel of the Kingdom of God?Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mark 1:13-15This is what Islam teaches
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mark 1:14-16No one who does not submit to God will enter the Kingdom of God
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:6-8For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Romans 10:2-4This means to be (Muslim) Submission to God is the way, the truth and life of Jesus.
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 26 2010,08:35) BD Oops, I retract that statement about you not understanding Ed's point, because actually I think you did.
My apologies.
Stuart
It seemed like I was saying that “you didn't understand, STU” but yes I said to ED that “he didn't understand your intent” I could see why you made the error, I accept your apology and I appreciate you offering it up.Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,10:06) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,23:11) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,23:06) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,22:05) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,21:36) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,21:19) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,20:30) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,20:24) Don't worry Ed, I think your god is brutal too. He murdered poor Uzzah, who was only trying to help! BD leaps from subject to subject in an attempt to dodge answering valid arguments. He will move from homosexuality to the cost of real estate, just you see!
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Nicole Tesla surmised that the arc was “a Giant Capacitor”.
If true then the cause of death would have been an electric shock;
thus an accident. Once discharged it was safe to touch!Ed J
So you are saying that the bible is wrong, and in fact god never intended that Uzzah die?1 Chronicles 13:10 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzza, and he smote him, because he put his hand to the ark: and there he died before God.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Chronicles was written by Scribes of the King, NOT a Prophet of YHVH(The LORD); do you know the difference?
God bless
ED J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So Chronicles is part of the bible that is not divine-inspired?Is 2 Samuel 6:7 good enough for you then?
Stuart
Stuart, Stuart, Stuart,That's the same account.
Ed J
I know. Isn't Samuel a prophet though?!Does that count as divine-inspired enough for you to believe it?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,“Yes Samuel was a Prophet, but Samuel did NOT write the book of Samuel”.
The book of Samuel is another book of records of the children of Israel;
similar to the books of Chronicles and Kings.Try again.
Ed J
I beg that STU does not take advantage of these attempts of yours. ED, you are disregarding everything STU says that is written in the Bible and what you have done in regards to your own ability to prove anything to him from that source is to disqualify at this point at least 2 entire books of the bible.That means you cannot quote from Chronicles or Samuel with any sense of authority, this further equates to disqualifying your mathematical findings because if those books shouldn't be there your mathematical findings are tainted as well.
So now did the event with Uzzah happen at all?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 26 2010,10:48) Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,07:26) Its ok Bod, Ed is just saying things to try and get me to be more honest etc. Thats all. I dont mind. Im supposed to be helping Muslims learn of the Gospel which is what I believe I was shown to do, but instead am being drawn into Islam.
Whatever happens I have to just trust God.
The Gospel of the Kingdom of God?Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mark 1:13-15This is what Islam teaches
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mark 1:14-16No one who does not submit to God will enter the Kingdom of God
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:6-8For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Romans 10:2-4This means to be (Muslim) Submission to God is the way, the truth and life of Jesus.
But thats where I get confused. Between parts of the bible (eg that say the antichrist is denying the Father and the Son) which is what Islam does, but then I see Submission as the only true way, which is something I never ever experienced in Christianity. Then I go on other websites and read conversations between people Muslims, Christians, and I feel the difference, really.this is off topic sorry.
Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,11:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 26 2010,10:48) Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,07:26) Its ok Bod, Ed is just saying things to try and get me to be more honest etc. Thats all. I dont mind. Im supposed to be helping Muslims learn of the Gospel which is what I believe I was shown to do, but instead am being drawn into Islam.
Whatever happens I have to just trust God.
The Gospel of the Kingdom of God?Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mark 1:13-15This is what Islam teaches
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mark 1:14-16No one who does not submit to God will enter the Kingdom of God
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:6-8For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Romans 10:2-4This means to be (Muslim) Submission to God is the way, the truth and life of Jesus.
But thats where I get confused. Between parts of the bible (eg that say the antichrist is denying the Father and the Son) which is what Islam does, but then I see Submission as the only true way, which is something I never ever experienced in Christianity. Then I go on other websites and read conversations between people Muslims, Christians, and I feel the difference, really.this is off topic sorry.
Hi Karmarie,That's exactly what BD is looking for is weakness to suck you into the web of deceit.
He says that the Bible is corrupt out of one side of his mouth…
Calling the entire new Testament corrupt.
And then out of the other side of his mouth he wants to call the journal of the the Kings authoritative?Mt:12:34: O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?
for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.BD denies The Gospel, and it is documented on two different threads.
I can give you the links if you doubt the truth of my words.Ed J
Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,11:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 26 2010,10:48) Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,07:26) Its ok Bod, Ed is just saying things to try and get me to be more honest etc. Thats all. I dont mind. Im supposed to be helping Muslims learn of the Gospel which is what I believe I was shown to do, but instead am being drawn into Islam.
Whatever happens I have to just trust God.
The Gospel of the Kingdom of God?Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mark 1:13-15This is what Islam teaches
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mark 1:14-16No one who does not submit to God will enter the Kingdom of God
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:6-8For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Romans 10:2-4This means to be (Muslim) Submission to God is the way, the truth and life of Jesus.
But thats where I get confused. Between parts of the bible (eg that say the antichrist is denying the Father and the Son) which is what Islam does, but then I see Submission as the only true way, which is something I never ever experienced in Christianity. Then I go on other websites and read conversations between people Muslims, Christians, and I feel the difference, really.this is off topic sorry.
To deny the Father and the Son is to not believe in God and His anointed it has nothing to do with the semantics.A roll of the birth of Jesus Christ, son of David, son of Abraham.
Matthew 1:1-3Is Jesus the son of David, is David really the Father of Christ? Of course not!
If the term Jesus is the Son of God is so important why is it completely absent from the book of James?
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1 John 5:1-3ALL Muslims believe that Jesus is THE CHRIST, therefore according to 1 John 5:1-3 they are all born of God
The fact is that all the anointed are the sons and daughters of God
Jesus is THE CHRIST and to be anointed by God is to be His child this is why Jesus is called the author and finisher of THE FAITH. His anointing and obedience made him unique i.e. One of a Kind
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,11:19) Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,11:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 26 2010,10:48) Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,07:26) Its ok Bod, Ed is just saying things to try and get me to be more honest etc. Thats all. I dont mind. Im supposed to be helping Muslims learn of the Gospel which is what I believe I was shown to do, but instead am being drawn into Islam.
Whatever happens I have to just trust God.
The Gospel of the Kingdom of God?Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mark 1:13-15This is what Islam teaches
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mark 1:14-16No one who does not submit to God will enter the Kingdom of God
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:6-8For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Romans 10:2-4This means to be (Muslim) Submission to God is the way, the truth and life of Jesus.
But thats where I get confused. Between parts of the bible (eg that say the antichrist is denying the Father and the Son) which is what Islam does, but then I see Submission as the only true way, which is something I never ever experienced in Christianity. Then I go on other websites and read conversations between people Muslims, Christians, and I feel the difference, really.this is off topic sorry.
Hi Karmarie,That's exactly what BD is looking for is weakness to suck you into the web of deceit.
He says that the Bible is corrupt out of one side of his mouth…
Calling the entire new Testament corrupt.
And then out of the other side of his mouth he wants to call the journal of the the Kings authoritative?Mt:12:34: O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?
for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.BD denies The Gospel, and it is documented on two different threads.
I can give you the links if you doubt the truth of my words.Ed J
Where have I denied The Gospel of The Kingdom of God?Where have I denied what Jesus taught about God?
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,10:06) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,23:11) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,23:06) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,22:05) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,21:36) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,21:19) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,20:30) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,20:24) Don't worry Ed, I think your god is brutal too. He murdered poor Uzzah, who was only trying to help! BD leaps from subject to subject in an attempt to dodge answering valid arguments. He will move from homosexuality to the cost of real estate, just you see!
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Nicole Tesla surmised that the arc was “a Giant Capacitor”.
If true then the cause of death would have been an electric shock;
thus an accident. Once discharged it was safe to touch!Ed J
So you are saying that the bible is wrong, and in fact god never intended that Uzzah die?1 Chronicles 13:10 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzza, and he smote him, because he put his hand to the ark: and there he died before God.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Chronicles was written by Scribes of the King, NOT a Prophet of YHVH(The LORD); do you know the difference?
God bless
ED J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So Chronicles is part of the bible that is not divine-inspired?Is 2 Samuel 6:7 good enough for you then?
Stuart
Stuart, Stuart, Stuart,That's the same account.
Ed J
I know. Isn't Samuel a prophet though?!Does that count as divine-inspired enough for you to believe it?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,“Yes Samuel was a Prophet, but Samuel did NOT write the book of Samuel”.
The book of Samuel is another book of records of the children of Israel;
similar to the books of Chronicles and Kings.Try again.
Ed J
Well fair play to you then. Where do you stop with this disregard for scripture? No one actually knows who wrote the gospels, so you don't know whether they had the same 'prophet'-like qualifications to comment on divine intent, either.Prophets only get that name by reputation, there is no objective measure of who is a prophet and who is not.
If you just go on their record of prophecy, the writers of Isaiah should not be considered prophets either.
When you get to the point where you view all of scripture as historical fiction, let me know. We will have even more to talk about!
Stuart
I understand what your saying, I know Islam does believe Jesus was the Christ.
But then John says jesus was there at creation, before creation. And Jesus when praying asked God to reconcile him as they were before the world. Does Islam believe this?
Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,07:26) Its ok Bod, Ed is just saying things to try and get me to be more honest etc. Thats all. I dont mind. Im supposed to be helping Muslims learn of the Gospel which is what I believe I was shown to do, but instead am being drawn into Islam.
John 12:32
But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.”John 10:4
When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.John 10:27
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.karmarie, a person will listen to whom their heart wants to listen to.
If you heard a radio playing a song you liked and at equal distance another radio playing a song you didn't like, chances are that your ears would be drawn to that which you like.
This is why a long life is a fair representation of who we are. We choose that which we want to choose and we end up living with the fruits of our decisions and we decide what we do with those fruits.
Anyway, I can tell you right now that it has never been about which religion. It is not about Islam, or even Christianity. It is about God and if we believe God, then we will believe his testimony regarding his son.
Also about worship and submission. If Christianity has great worship and Islam has great submission, what does that mean. It ultimately means little. As people we are to worship God and to be submitted to his will. We are not here to grovel to the Father or worship Jesus as God. It is not submission and worship itself that is worthy but God and his son.
Whatever happens your comment about trusting in God is the only way. You don't need Christianity or Islam, Catholicism or Hinuism to show you the way.
If you believe in God's testimony, then let the son show you to the Father. It isn't complicated. The religions of this world will try to own your soul and your money. Don't sell out to them.
Rather than Islam or Christianity, why not Christ?
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