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Gene, before you refused to speak of or mention any of the scriptures that plainly show the kingdom is a government.
Now that I point out that your one scripture in your one Bible gives an alternate (and contextually correct) translation, you refuse to discuss even that one scripture.And if there are now no scriptures that you can use to support your ideas about what the kingdom is, then are they not just your ideas, and not Gods?
Why is it that the kingdom was Jesus main theme, that it was what he talked about most–but that no one here can discuss it?
Quote What do you not know about the kingdom of God? I know that it's something Jesus talked about a lot, and something this forum does not talk about a lot.
“….thy kingdom come….they will be done……”
So the Kingdom is something that is future. It is not here, yet.
In paradise, God will rule and be over all (including Jesus).Quote God will rule and be over all (including Jesus). Mandy, you are alluding to this scripture I believe:
1 CORINTHIANS 15:24, 28
“Next, the end, when he HANDS OVER THE KINGDOM TO HIS GOD and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. . . .But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.”Quote It is not here, yet.
True, this is something we probably would notice:DANIEL 2:44
““And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will SET UP A KINGDOM that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. IT WILL CRUSH AND PUT AT END TO ALL THESE KINGDOMS, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;”Mandy, in view of this scripture:
LUKE 4:43
“But [Jesus] said to them: “Also to other cities I must declare the good news of the kingdom of God, because for this I was sent forth.””do you not think that this kingdom that Jesus was “sent forth” to declare is worthy of our discussion as well?
Isn't it interesting that Jesus says he must go to other cities because that is why he was sent…..but how many cities did he actually “go” to?
Quote (Not3in1 @ Feb. 10 2009,17:10) “….thy kingdom come….they will be done……” So the Kingdom is something that is future. It is not here, yet.
In paradise, God will rule and be over all (including Jesus).
Hi not3,
In the fullest sense no.
But then in another yesColossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:1 Thessalonians 2:12
That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.Hi not3,
Scripture speaks the same way about salvation.Some verses say we have been saved.
Some say we are being saved.
Some say we will be saved.Same thing really.
Hi,
The kingdom must be entered now because unless you are alive when he returns or are found among the sons of God you will not rise till the end of the millenial kingdom of Jesus Christ. You will be raised in the second resurrection just before the sheep and goat judgement and before the kingdom is handed to the Father.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 10 2009,18:46) Hi not3,
Scripture speaks the same way about salvation.Some verses say we have been saved.
Some say we are being saved.
Some say we will be saved.Same thing really.
Yes, interesting and maddening at the same time. Don't you wish we could have a clear answer for once!
Hi not3,
Let the wisdom of God expand your understanding.
Later we will know truth harmonises completely.Quote Isn't it interesting that Jesus says he must go to other cities because that is why he was sent…..but how many cities did he actually “go” to? Apparently, “all” of them, at least, all in that area, around Galilee.
MATTHEW 9:35
“And Jesus set out on a tour of ALL OF THE CITIES AND VILLAGES, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the GOOD NEWS OF THE KINGDOM and curing every sort of disease and every sort of infirmity.”I hate getting off topic, but:
Quote Some verses say we have been saved.
Some say we are being saved.
Some say we will be saved.Quote Don't you wish we could have a clear answer for once! Jude 5: “I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who SAVED a people out of the land of Egypt, AFTERWARD DESTROYED those who did not believe.” (RS)
A person’s FINAL salvation is not determined at the moment that he begins to put faith in Jesus, but rather, when he has endured to the end, whether that be the end of his life, or the end of this world:
“He who endures to the end will be saved.” (mat 24:13)There has to be several threads on “salvation,” probably 10.
Back to the kingdom.
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 04 2009,04:08) Hi Nick: You say:
Quote But during the millenium earthly Jerusalem shall be thr throne of the new david, King Jesus. I need to study this some more. At the present time, I can't agree with this statement, but you may be right.
Greetings 942767
Here is a decent introduction to get you started.
The Christian Hope: Life in the Land of the Promise Made to Abraham
To all……..the millennium rule of Christ and the Saints, has a purpose, a very simple purpose, to prove that without GOD Spirit abiding a person he could never maintain righteous living. Let me explain, God the Father removes Evil influence from the earth for a thousand years, the Saints and Jesus are ruling and influencing Good Government and rule, Good is the only left on the earth and as a result all easily conform to that influence and the whole world brakes forth in Peace and Joy and righteous government.
Even the animals are aggressive toward one another, Such peace and prosperity, a utopia world, with righteousness every where and all doing what right, a perfect world. UNTIL the picture Changes at the end of the 1000 years , GOD released the Evil influence once again on the earth and look what happens almost immediately all the world starts becoming evil and goes to war against the Saints and Jesus, to the point they withdraw back to Jerusalem and God brings Fire down from heaven and destroys them. Now ask yourself why did all the earth turn evil when they were taught only righteousness for a thousand years, How could this have happened to the whole world, so fast also.
What is the point God is getting across by this. Simple point but a very big One, the point is that (UNLESS GOD IS IN YOU AND GUIDING ALWAYS) YOU CAN NOT (MAINTAIN) RIGHTEOUSNESS YOURSELF. Thats the whole lesson of the MILLENNIUM REIGN OF JESUS AND THE SAINTS. GOD PROVES HIS POINT WITHOUT HIM BEING IN YOU AND HIM KEEPING YOU YOU CAN NOT MAINTAIN DOING WHATS RIGHT. The reason the Saints and Jesus didn't change as the rest of the world was because GOD the Father was in them and keeping them. IMO
love and peace to you all…………………………..gene
GB,
You mean Satan, the one who was chained up for 1000yrs, and is finally cast into the lake of fire?Gb,
You should not be so shy about using the word 'satan' just as scripture does.
He is certainly responsible for a lot of misery as any reading of Job 1-2 will confirm.He is even capable of destroying the flesh of christians.
1 Corinthians 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
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