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Quote Hi…….the kingdom of GOD comes (NOT) with observation, but is With in You. All who have GOD's Spirit in them are in the Kingdom of GOD , because GOD rules in the heart and mind, of a person. Only the fruits can be seen not the source. Please don't attempt to mislead people by telling them the kingdom (governement) of God is “within” them. If you quote that scripture, you'll find it was to religious leaders who Jesus called “offspring of vipers” who were subject to Gehenna. So, no, the kingdom of God was not within them. But the king (Jesus) was in their midst.
(I really wish you'd quote your scriptures.)
The kingdom is a real govenrnment:
DANIEL 2:44
““And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;”David………”The kingdom of God come without observation”, because it is of the Spirit (intellect) or mind, that's where GOD rules in the heart and mind, If you make the inside of the cup clean the outside will also be . The physical (KINGDOM) you speak of will only become a reality for everyone when the Kingdom inside takes place. God's rule is within a person and the fruit is produced and shows out side the person, the same way it is with the kingdom of GOD. Jesus plainly said the KINGDOM of GOD IS WITHIN A PERSON. To deny this David is to say Jesus was lying.
love and peace to you and yours…………………gene
Gb,
Satan's dominion now includes the hearts of men.We must be taken out of the dominion of darkness into the kingdom of light.
God's temple will be within His servants but all men never become subservient servants of God.
David ….. what is a KINGDOM…. is it not where a king rules, God's ruled in the heart and mind of Jesus making GOD the FATHER the KING so indeed the Kingdom of GOD was There in Christ, but that same thing Has to happen to us also. The kingdom of GOD is not a PHYSICAL Kingdom BUT a Spiritual one inside the hearts and minds of people. I believe JW'S think its all physical as i recall. BUT scripture shows it inside a person and if it is inside you the outside will reflect it also. Make the inside of the cup clean and the out side will become clean also. GOD rules by Being in ALL and THROUGH ALL> “the kingdom of GOD COMES NOT WITH OBSERVATION, but is within YOU”. Trying to change it to mean otherwise is not what it says. Put all the other scriptures together with that and it proves GOD rules from within a person. That is the only He could be (IN) ALL and THROUGH (ALL). IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………gene
Gene
Can't agree with you on that one.
Jesus is a real king, ruling a real kingdom for a thousand years; or are you suggesting all the saints, kings and priests, will be inside of us too?Georg
Quote The physical (KINGDOM) you speak of will only become a reality for everyone when the Kingdom inside takes place. Completely wrong Gene.
The Kingdom is coming. It is a certainty. It's not some philisophical metaphysical thing or whatever spin you want to put on it. In Daniel 2, we see actual real kingdoms that have existed. The Bible says they will be crushed by an actual real kingdom ruled by a king–Jesus.
Quote The kingdom of GOD is not a PHYSICAL Kingdom BUT a Spiritual one inside the hearts and minds of people. I tell you what Gene….you list your scriptures that describe the kingdom as being some feeling inside peoples hearts and I'll list the hundreds of scriptures that show the kingdom as being a …. kingdom, a government run by a king. (Please quote the actual scriptures.)
And please, don't attempt to insert the often misused scripture where Jesus said the kingdom was in the midst of the pharisees. He was not saying the kingdom of God was in them, for logically, we know Jesus condemned those same ones as hypocrites.
LUKE 17:20-21
“But on being asked BY THE PHARISEES when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them and said: “The kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness, neither will people be saying, ‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For, look! the kingdom of God is in YOUR midst.””There the king was and the Pharisees did not know it!
Quote “the kingdom of GOD COMES NOT WITH OBSERVATION, but is within YOU”. Trying to change it to mean otherwise is not what it says. Gene, you took some words out.
“The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within[a] you.”
He says the kingdom of God (of whom he is king) is not coming with striking observableness “BECAUSE” (as you left out) the kingdom of God is within you, or more accurately “in your midst.”
It is absurd to suggest that the kingdom of God (who is holy) is in the hearts of the “offspring of vipers” and hypocrites that Jesus was addressing. But “because” the king was right among them, and yet they didn't recognize this, it wasn't very observable for them.
He has particularly in mind his future presence in Kingdom power when he warns: “People will say to you, ‘See there!’ or, ‘See here!’ Do not go out or chase after [these false Messiahs]. For even as the lightning, by its flashing, shines from one part under heaven to another part under heaven, so the Son of man will be.”
” Hence, just as lightning is seen over a wide area, Jesus is indicating that the evidence of his presence in Kingdom power will be clearly visible to all wishing to observe it.Jesus then draws comparisons with ancient events to show what the attitudes of people will be during his future presence. He explains:
“Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of man . . . Likewise, just as it occurred in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building. But on the day that Lot came out of Sodom it rained fire and sulphur from heaven and destroyed them all. The same way it will be on that day when the Son of man is to be revealed.”There will be a period of time during the “lord's day” when the preaching is being done, the wars, the food shortages, etc (mat 24) and yet, people won't know the time they are in. Much like noah's day, they won't obverse it, until it comes down upon them.
Georg and David ………. I full well know that a (PHYSICAL kingdom WILL SURELY CONE INTO EXISTENCE) But the spiritual Kingdom of GOD is within you or GOD is not your King God doesn't have his rule out side of US it is INSIDE of US. For the KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU, it comes WITHOUT OBSERVATION. YOU can't tell whence it come or whence it goes, it is SPIRIT, Now if the spirit is in you it should be ruling you heart and mind and your outside appearance will reflect the inside condition. God is SPIRIT Jesus said and therefor Must Rule through Spirit because He is Spirit and if He is in YOU, His rule is also. Sure there will be a Physical kingdom but it is ruled by GOD through the Spirit within you. How do you think God could be in all and through all if not through His spirit. The kingdom of God is within you. IMO
love and peace to you both…………gene
Quote For the KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU You keep quoting this Gene, but you do realize he said these words to the Pharisees and that a more accurate translation is “the kingdom of God is in your midst”?
Or do you believe that the kingdom of God is in the hearts of the same pharisees Jesus condemned to Gehenna?
Can you respond to this?
Quote How do you think God could be in all and through all if not through His spirit. The kingdom of God is within you. You repeatedly say God is in us. And then draw the conclusion that the kingdom is in us. But we are speaking of the KINGDOM OF God, not God.
Which scriptures do you use to understand that the kingdom (a heavenly government) is in us?
I just scrolled through the 366 uses of the word “kingdom” in the Bible. Whether referring to worldly kingdoms or God's kingdom, all uses involve a royal government or the people under the rule of a king.
The word rendered “kingdom” in the Christian Greek Scriptures is ba·si·lei′a, meaning:
“a kingdom, realm, the region or country governed by a king; kingly power, authority, dominion, reign; royal dignity, the title and honour of king.” (The Analytical Greek Lexicon, 1908, p. 67)The government of God is, in structure and function, a pure theocracy, a rule by God.
Jehovah made a covenant with David for a kingdom to be established everlastingly in his family line, saying: “I shall certainly raise up your seed after you, . . . and I shall indeed firmly establish his kingdom. . . . And your house and your kingdom will certainly be steadfast to time indefinite before you; your very throne will become one firmly established to time indefinite.” (2Sa 7:12-16; 1Ch 17:11-14)
The Kingdom of God ‘Draws Near.’
Since the Messiah was to be a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, a member of the tribe of Judah, and a “son of David,” he had to have a human birth; he had to be, as Daniel’s prophecy declared, “a son of man.” When the “full limit of the time arrived,” Jehovah God sent forth his Son, who was born of a woman and who fulfilled all the legal requirements for the inheritance of “the throne of David his father.” (Ga 4:4; Lu 1:26-33)The Messiah came when Jesus presented himself to John for baptism and was then anointed by God’s holy spirit. (Mt 3:13-17) He thereby became the King-Designate, the One recognized by Jehovah’s Court as having the legal right to the Davidic throne, a right that had not been exercised during the preceding six centuries.
In what way was God’s Kingdom ‘in the midst’ of those to whom Jesus preached?
Trusting in Jehovah’s power to protect him and grant him success, Jesus entered his public ministry, announcing to Jehovah’s covenant people that “the appointed time has been fulfilled,” resulting in the approach of the Kingdom of God.
“Now after John was put under arrest Jesus went into Gal′i·lee, preaching the good news of God 15 and saying: “The appointed time has been fulfilled, and THE KINGDOM OF GOD HAS DRAWN NEAR. Be repentant, YOU people, and have faith in the good news.” (mrk 1:14,15)
In determining in what sense the Kingdom was “near,” his words to certain Pharisees may be noted, namely, that “the kingdom of God is in your midst.” (Lu 17:21) Commenting on this text, The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible observes:
: “Although frequently cited as an example of Jesus’ ‘mysticism’ or ‘inwardness,’ this interpretation rests chiefly upon the old translation, ‘within you,’ [KJ, Dy] understood in the unfortunate modern sense of ‘you’ as singular; the ‘you’ ([hy·mon′]) is plural (Jesus is addressing the Pharisees—vs. 20) . . . The theory that the kingdom of God is an inner state of mind, or of personal salvation, runs counter to the context of this verse, and also to the whole NT presentation of the idea.” (Edited by G. A. Buttrick, 1962, Vol. 2, p. 883)
Since “kingdom [ba·si·lei′a]” can refer to the “royal dignity,” it is evident that Jesus meant that he, God’s royal representative, the one anointed by God for the kingship, was in their midst. Not only was he present in this capacity but he also had authority to perform works manifesting God’s kingly power and to prepare candidates for positions within his coming Kingdom rule. Hence the ‘nearness’ of the Kingdom; it was a time of tremendous opportunity.Jesus’ disciples understood the Kingdom to be an actual government of God, though they did not comprehend the reach of its domain. Nathanael said to Jesus: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are King of Israel.” (Joh 1:49) They knew the things foretold about “the holy ones” in the prophecy of Daniel. (Da 7:18, 27) Jesus directly promised his apostolic followers that they would occupy “thrones.” (Mt 19:28) James and John sought certain privileged positions in the Messianic government, and Jesus acknowledged that there would be such privileged positions, but he stated that the assigning of these rested with his Father, the Sovereign Ruler. (Mt 20:20-23; Mr 10:35-40) So, whereas his disciples mistakenly limited Messiah’s kingly rule to earth and specifically to fleshly Israel, even doing so on the day of the resurrected Jesus’ ascension (Ac 1:6), they correctly understood that it referred to a governmental arrangement.—Compare Mt 21:5; Mr 11:7-10.
David……..i know the JW's want and believe it all about a (Physical) kingdom , but changing text to meet that goal is really not right, Jesus, Plainly said the KINGDOM OF GOD if you take the simple meaning of the word KIMGDOM it means a domain or realm which has a ruler. Now with that said there are Physical domains and there are SPIRITUAL ONES. GOD is SPIRIT(INTELLECT) and therefore Rules in a SPIRITUAL REALM. All physical Kingdoms are ruled by the (MIND) of their ruler and GOD is the ruler of the MIND of CHRIST, And Jesus said you can't see Spirit (intellect) but you can see the activity it produces as the wind does also. God rule or kingdom is in the heart and mind of His people. And of course the result of the is a peaceful world Government, but to ignore where GOD rules and Just focus on the Physical , is like looking at a car going down the road and not realizing that whats making it go is the engine . The engine of GOD Kingdom is GOD that what makes it work and you can't see it. You only see the result of Gods rule in the hearts of his subjects.IMO
love and peace to you and yours……………………gene
GB,
So we are taken from the domain of darkness and the princedom of the prince of the power of the air into the kingdom of the Prince of life
Colossians 1:13
For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:Acts 3:15
And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.Quote i know the JW's want and believe it all about a (Physical) kingdom , but changing text to meet that goal is really not right, Jesus, Plainly said the KINGDOM OF GOD< comes (NOT) with Observation , BUT IS WITHIN YOU Gene, don't you feel icky by ignoring the question that shows your error?
You keep saying (and this is your only argument) that Jesus plainly says the kingdom is “within you” (the pharisees).
Yet, you ignore this question:
You keep quoting this Gene, but you do realize he said these words to the Pharisees and that a more accurate translation is “the kingdom of God is in your midst”?
Or do you believe that the kingdom of God is in the hearts of the same pharisees Jesus condemned to Gehenna?
Can you respond to this?
Gene, I know Satan is good at confusing people as to what the kingdom is–making it abstract, unreal, something we cannot understand. But the hundreds of scriptures that speak of it as a real government cannot be overshadowed by your obvious misunderstanding of this scripture. I say “obvious” because you cannot answer my question.
david
David………where did i say the Kingdom of God was not also Physically seen, as you assume i am saying . Had you read what i wrote you would have known that. And then say a more accurate translation is the one JW's have is not true, imo, because you leave out the part Where Jesus said the Kingdom of GOD COMES (NOT) with Observation. Don't you know GOD is SPIRIT and you can't see Spirit can you< So If it's the Kingdom of GOD your talking about then you can't see it , But what Jesus said was right then GOD rule is inside of you . A kingdom is where some one rules, Jesus said GOD was in him and He did the works, So GOD ruled from within Christ, Same of the kingdom of GOD it is a kingdom within you, just as Jesus said. You are confusing the Kingdom of Christs rule on the earth as a physical kingdom withe the Kingdom which is a Spritual Kingdom within where GOD rules (in he heart and mind of His children). A Kings (WILL) is done in HIS Kingdom, Jesus put His (WILL) to death and GODS WILL was being DONE therefore GOD who you can't see was ruling within Christ and it will be the same with THE SAINTS also. I am not saying there wont be a physical world ruled by that Kingdom.
Jw's…… tower magizines show ever going around Happy and enjoying life in that Kingdom is a result of GOD removing evil from the earth for thousand years and the Kingdom of God ruling (in) Jesus and the Saints, who will be over them. But what happens to this perfect utopia at the end of the thousand year reign, it becomes totally evil and Jesus and the Saints go back the Jerusalem and all the nations are gather to war against the Saints and Jesus and fire comes down out of heaven and devours them. So what happen to the watch towers utopia Kingdom. Fact is because EVIL was removed for a thousand year meant nothing as far as the people themselves were concerned, as soon as evil was reintroduced they went right to it. (WHY) because the Kingdom of GOD is WITHIN and it wasn't in those people , but was in Jesus and the Saints, and they remained faithful to GOD. Again, the KINGDOM OF GOD RULES WITHIN YOU. THAT GOD MAY BE ALL AND (in) ALL.
peace an dlove to you and yours………………gene
Quote (david @ Jan. 05 2009,17:45) I just scrolled through the 366 uses of the word “kingdom” in the Bible. Whether referring to worldly kingdoms or God's kingdom, all uses involve a royal government or the people under the rule of a king. The word rendered “kingdom” in the Christian Greek Scriptures is ba·si·lei′a, meaning:
“a kingdom, realm, the region or country governed by a king; kingly power, authority, dominion, reign; royal dignity, the title and honour of king.” (The Analytical Greek Lexicon, 1908, p. 67)The government of God is, in structure and function, a pure theocracy, a rule by God.
Jehovah made a covenant with David for a kingdom to be established everlastingly in his family line, saying: “I shall certainly raise up your seed after you, . . . and I shall indeed firmly establish his kingdom. . . . And your house and your kingdom will certainly be steadfast to time indefinite before you; your very throne will become one firmly established to time indefinite.” (2Sa 7:12-16; 1Ch 17:11-14)
The Kingdom of God ‘Draws Near.’
Since the Messiah was to be a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, a member of the tribe of Judah, and a “son of David,” he had to have a human birth; he had to be, as Daniel’s prophecy declared, “a son of man.” When the “full limit of the time arrived,” Jehovah God sent forth his Son, who was born of a woman and who fulfilled all the legal requirements for the inheritance of “the throne of David his father.” (Ga 4:4; Lu 1:26-33)The Messiah came when Jesus presented himself to John for baptism and was then anointed by God’s holy spirit. (Mt 3:13-17) He thereby became the King-Designate, the One recognized by Jehovah’s Court as having the legal right to the Davidic throne, a right that had not been exercised during the preceding six centuries.
In what way was God’s Kingdom ‘in the midst’ of those to whom Jesus preached?
Trusting in Jehovah’s power to protect him and grant him success, Jesus entered his public ministry, announcing to Jehovah’s covenant people that “the appointed time has been fulfilled,” resulting in the approach of the Kingdom of God.
“Now after John was put under arrest Jesus went into Gal′i·lee, preaching the good news of God 15 and saying: “The appointed time has been fulfilled, and THE KINGDOM OF GOD HAS DRAWN NEAR. Be repentant, YOU people, and have faith in the good news.” (mrk 1:14,15)
In determining in what sense the Kingdom was “near,” his words to certain Pharisees may be noted, namely, that “the kingdom of God is in your midst.” (Lu 17:21) Commenting on this text, The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible observes:
: “Although frequently cited as an example of Jesus’ ‘mysticism’ or ‘inwardness,’ this interpretation rests chiefly upon the old translation, ‘within you,’ [KJ, Dy] understood in the unfortunate modern sense of ‘you’ as singular; the ‘you’ ([hy·mon′]) is plural (Jesus is addressing the Pharisees—vs. 20) . . . The theory that the kingdom of God is an inner state of mind, or of personal salvation, runs counter to the context of this verse, and also to the whole NT presentation of the idea.” (Edited by G. A. Buttrick, 1962, Vol. 2, p. 883)
Since “kingdom [ba·si·lei′a]” can refer to the “royal dignity,” it is evident that Jesus meant that he, God’s royal representative, the one anointed by God for the kingship, was in their midst. Not only was he present in this capacity but he also had authority to perform works manifesting God’s kingly power and to prepare candidates for positions within his coming Kingdom rule. Hence the ‘nearness’ of the Kingdom; it was a time of tremendous opportunity.Jesus’ disciples understood the Kingdom to be an actual government of God, though they did not comprehend the reach of its domain. Nathanael said to Jesus: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are King of Israel.” (Joh 1:49) They knew the things foretold about “the holy ones” in the prophecy of Daniel. (Da 7:18, 27) Jesus directly promised his apostolic followers that they would occupy “thrones.” (Mt 19:28) James and John sought certain privileged positions in the Messianic government, and Jesus acknowledged that there would be such privileged positions, but he stated that the assigning of these rested with his Father, the Sovereign Ruler. (Mt 20:20-23; Mr 10:35-40) So, whereas his disciples mistakenly limited Messiah’s kingly rule to earth and specifically to fleshly Israel, even doing so on the day of the resurrected Jesus’ ascension (Ac 1:6), they correctly understood that it referred to a governmental arrangement.—Compare Mt 21:5; Mr 11:7-10.
Hi David:Are you saying that the kingdom of God does not exist now?
Quote Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Speaking of the kings of Babylonia, Media/Persia, Greece, and Rome the scriptures state:
Quote Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Quote Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.The King is on his throne now, and those whom he has put in authority in the church are ruling with him here on earth now. We the church are his subjects.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 06 2009,08:36) GB,
So we are taken from the domain of darkness and the princedom of the prince of the power of the air into the kingdom of the Prince of life
Colossians 1:13
For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:Acts 3:15
And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Nick……..good points, The ruling of the power of the air , is that which influences the heart and the minds of man, “for all thats in the world the lust of the Flesh and the lust of the eyes , and the pride of Life are (FROM) the WORLD. The power of the air is that ADVERSARIAL intellect or Spirit which now works in all children of disobedience. But thanks be to GOD he has rescued us and transfered us into the the Kingdom of His beloved son, And our brother, Jesus ChristGene, you say;
Quote Don't you know GOD is SPIRIT and you can't see Spirit can you< So If it's the Kingdom of GOD your talking about then you can't see it Gene, you made this folly before by saying God was a spirit and God is in us, therefore the kingdom of God is in us.
It's the kingdom of God, not God we are speaking of.
Here, you say God is a spirit and you can't see spirits, therefore you can't see the kingdom of God.
God does not equal kingdom. It is God's kingdom.If you don't have any scriptures to support your ideas, I do. Here are some:
But first, the NWT is not the only translation that translates it that way. Half of them do. Unfortunately, as you know the KJ is very influencial and people like to stick with tradition, even when it is wrong. (See the context of him addressing his statement to the pharisees for unequivical proof it is wrong.)
For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.” (NASB)
Because God's kingdom is already among you.” (The Message)
For the Kingdom of God is already among you.[a]” (New Living)
the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”[a] (English Standard)
the kingdom of God is in the midst of you. (Darby Translation)
the kingdom of God is among you.” (holman)
God's kingdom is among you.” (New INternational readers version)
because the kingdom of God is in your midst.” [a] (todays new international version)
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I only checked Biblegateway bibles and it's half of them that translate it this way. Half.
(Jesus, as the king of that kingdom, was standing before them.)I haven't read all of your post yet, but I assume you are still shamefully ignoring this question which shows your error and in fact, is the only scripture you really base this on:
Yet, you ignore this question:
You keep quoting this Gene, but you do realize he said these words to the Pharisees and that a more accurate translation is “the kingdom of God is in your midst”?
Or do you believe that the kingdom of God is in the hearts of the same pharisees Jesus condemned to Gehenna?
Can you respond to this?
LET'S LOOK AT SOME SCRIPTURES.
The kingdom is a government. A goverment is made up of people:
REVELATION 1:6
“and he made us to be a kingdom priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.”
REVELATION 5:9,10
“and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God…”A KINGDOM IS NOT SOME PLACE, OR CASTLE….IT'S A GOVERNMENT….PEOPLE.
As we discussed earlier: A KINGDOM HAS RULERS…..JESUS IS ONE OF THESE RULERS
ISAIAH 9:6, 7, RS:
“To us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government [also KJ, AT, Dy; “dominion,” JB, NE; “princely rule,” NW] will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called ‘Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.’ Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end.”
DANIEL 7:13, 14:
“With the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man [Jesus Christ; see Mark 14:61, 62] happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days [Jehovah God] he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One. And to him [to Jesus Christ] there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him.”
REVELATION 11:15
“And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.””But, JESUS HAS CO-RULERS, JOINT HEIRS OF THE KINGDOM
DANIEL 7:18
“But the holy ones of the Supreme One will receive the kingdom, and they will take possession of the kingdom for time indefinite, even for time indefinite upon times indefinite.’”
DANIEL 7:22
“until the Ancient of Days came and judgment itself was given in favor of the holy ones of the Supreme One, and the definite time arrived that the holy ones took possession of the kingdom itself.”
DANIEL 7:27
““‘And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One. Their kingdom is an indefinitely lasting kingdom, and all the rulerships will serve and obey even them.’”
REVELATION 1:6
“and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.”
REVELATION 5:9,10:
“You [Jesus Christ] were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”
ROMANS 8:17
“If, then, we are children, we are also heirs: heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ, provided we suffer together that we may also be glorified together.” (See Heb 1:2)
JAMES 2:5
“Listen, my beloved brothers. God chose the ones who are poor respecting the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he promised to those who love him, did he not?”
REVELATION 3:21
“To the one that conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, even as I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.”
REVELATION 20:4
“And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years.”
REVELATION 22:3-5
“And no more will there be any curse. But the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in [the city], and HIS SLAVES will render him sacred service; and THEY will see his face, and his name will be on THEIR foreheads. Also, night will be no more, and THEY have no need of lamplight nor [do they have] sunlight, because Jehovah God will shed light upon THEM, and they will RULE AS KINGS forever and ever.”
REVELATION 20:6:
“They will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.” (Also Daniel 7:27)
1 CORINTHIANS 4:8
“YOU men already have YOUR fill, do YOU? YOU are rich already, are YOU? YOU have begun ruling as kings without us, have YOU? And I wish indeed that YOU had begun ruling as kings, that we also might rule with YOU as kings.”Now, you could say that all these people (this kingdom) are in the hearts of the pharisees who Jesus addressed that statement too. (RIDICULOUS AND UNEXPLAINABLE BY YOU).
Or,
We can abandon the tradition set by the KJ (translation with some problems) and notice the context (spoken to the pharisees) and apply some clear thinking (is the kingdom of God in their hearts) and come to a more sound conclusion.
Quote A kingdom is where some one rules
You think a kingdom is a place, like in the fairy tales, movies or whatever. The scriptures above indicate that the kingdom is a government. Sure, a government has buildings, but the government is actually the people.Gene, you're still not using any scriptures. You're still ignoring the obvious answer to my question
which shows the error.Quote because the Kingdom of GOD is WITHIN and it wasn't in those people , BUT IT WAS IN JESUS AND THE SAINTS, –Gene (caps added)
GENE!!!!!!
GENE!!!!!
You're saying the kingdom was in Jesus and the saints (holy ones). I have 15 scriptures above which very plainly say that THEY ARE THE KINGDOM, NOT THAT THE KINGDOM IS IN THEM!!!!! (Are they in themselves?)
Please,….. address some scriptures.
Quote You are confusing the Kingdom of Christs rule on the earth as a physical kingdom withe the Kingdom which is a Spritual Kingdom within where GOD rules (in he heart and mind of His children).
Gene, when I speak of the kingdom, I speak of the one at Dan 2:44, that will crush all these other kingdoms. I speak of the one at Mat 6:9,10 that we pray for. I speak of the kingdom that is hundreds of times spoken of as a real government.
Which kingdom are you speaking of, and where are your scriptures?david.
Quote Hi David: Are you saying that the kingdom of God does not exist now?
No.
Quote The King is on his throne now, and those whom he has put in authority in the church are ruling with him here on earth now. We the church are his subjects. 94, I'm simply saying that the kingdom of God does not exist in the hearts of the pharisees.
Do you think it does? Is “the king” along with his joint heirs, “those whom he has put in authority” (ie: the kingdom) in the hearts of the pharisees? What do you think?
David……..You can switch scripture around if you want to, But to me it makes perfect sense the way its written, the Kingdom of GOD is Within a person and it does not come with (PHYSICAL SEEING) It is with in Where your mind is. What you see on a physical level is what being done internally in the Heart and mind. Jesus plainly said GOD is A SPIRIT and you must worship Him in SPIRIT and TRUTH. God's WILL is where His kingdom is. Simple logic cane give you the answer GOD Jesus said was A SPIRIT as i quoted, Now with that Jesus also described what it means to be born of Spirit, He said it was like the wind , You can see the effects of it but you cant see it. You cant tell whence it comes or whence it goes. So is everyone born of Spirit. Your are focusing on the effects in the world but neglecting the cause of it all. The kingdom of GOD has to be withing you or it could never control you, David you are controlled by your thinking and thats where the Kingdom of GOD rules inside a person in their mind and hearts. The physical flesh profits nothing. I know the JW's make a big deal about the physical appearance of GOD Kingdom , but the simple fact is the flesh profits (NOTHING). or do you believe that was a mistranslation also.In fact Jesus said flesh and blood can not enter into the kingdom of GOD, why is that DAVID if what Jesus said is true then, We must see the kingdom different then Physical.
love and peace to you and yours……………….gene
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