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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 10 2010,07:24) you still with this.. stop critizing the bible when your FAITH depends on the reading of both.
Yes, Newton and EinsteinHi Bod. The Quran is 'vital to (your) understanding of the Bible' but it isnt to mine. How can it be? because they are both different, two different Jesus's, I choose one you choose the other.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 10 2010,05:19) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 10 2010,07:24) you still with this.. stop critizing the bible when your FAITH depends on the reading of both.
Yes, Newton and Einstein
What you trying to say bod?seems like fighting words
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 11 2010,15:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 10 2010,05:19) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 10 2010,07:24) you still with this.. stop critizing the bible when your FAITH depends on the reading of both.
Yes, Newton and Einstein
What you trying to say bod?seems like fighting words
Einstein and Newton are both important and yet they are not the same: Newton holds true except when you zoom in just like the Quran zooms in[ Glossary Window] [ Timeline Window]
When people think of scientific genius, two names immediately come to mind: Einstein and Newton. While it is still widely debated which was actually the more ingenius of the two (as if it really mattered), scientists agree on one thing: it's purely a two-man race. The intellects and achievements of all the other great scientists can hardly be considered mediocre, but none can measure up to the impossible brilliance of these two. Einstein and Newton were to the other guys what ordinary geniuses are to us.
The differences between Einsteinian and Newtonian physics all boil down to two basic concepts: space and time. Newton's space and time were absolue, that is, unchangable. Space was boundless, static, and completely empty save for the universal medium, the ether, and time had flowed inexoribly since Creation. Einstein's space and time, however, wound and twisted about one another into one absolute concept, spacetime. In Einstein's universe, space and time were continually being warped and shaped according to the motions of energy and matter.
Before Newton's time, people were utter mystifyed by the motion of the stars in the heavens, inventing elaborate explainations involving gods and imbedded spheres and the such. But Newton found that his theory of gravity explained their motions almost perfectly. Only such a superb mind as his could have equated the force that acts on an apple falling from a tree to that which keeps the Earth in orbit around the sun. Newton's gravity was a force carried in a universal medium called the luminous ether by which every object in the universe affects every other. Although a few scattered objections persisted, Newton's laws were so successful in explaining the motions of the planets that his concepts were universally accepted.
Einstein, however, abolished all that, saying that gravity was not a force at all, but merely the observed effect of the warping of space and time by matter. He examined two situations: resting on the surface of a massive body and accelerating in empty space. If the rate of acceleration was adjusted correctly, a person would feel the same downward pull of gravity. Einstein asserted that these effects were actually the same. A far cry from Newton's view of gravity as a force acting at a distance!
Quote (karmarie @ July 11 2010,11:57) Hi Bod. The Quran is 'vital to (your) understanding of the Bible' but it isnt to mine. How can it be? because they are both different, two different Jesus's, I choose one you choose the other.
Yes you are more like Newton and I am more like Einstein, you consider your belief Absolute and I consider it RelativeYou are not like Einstein in any way at all BD, nor Newton for that matter.
In any case are you not “like Newton” your self in regards to your own cult?
Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2010,10:56) [ Glossary Window] [ Timeline Window]
When people think of scientific genius, two names immediately come to mind: Einstein and Newton. While it is still widely debated which was actually the more ingenius of the two (as if it really mattered), scientists agree on one thing: it's purely a two-man race. The intellects and achievements of all the other great scientists can hardly be considered mediocre, but none can measure up to the impossible brilliance of these two. Einstein and Newton were to the other guys what ordinary geniuses are to us.
The differences between Einsteinian and Newtonian physics all boil down to two basic concepts: space and time. Newton's space and time were absolue, that is, unchangable. Space was boundless, static, and completely empty save for the universal medium, the ether, and time had flowed inexoribly since Creation. Einstein's space and time, however, wound and twisted about one another into one absolute concept, spacetime. In Einstein's universe, space and time were continually being warped and shaped according to the motions of energy and matter.
Before Newton's time, people were utter mystifyed by the motion of the stars in the heavens, inventing elaborate explainations involving gods and imbedded spheres and the such. But Newton found that his theory of gravity explained their motions almost perfectly. Only such a superb mind as his could have equated the force that acts on an apple falling from a tree to that which keeps the Earth in orbit around the sun. Newton's gravity was a force carried in a universal medium called the luminous ether by which every object in the universe affects every other. Although a few scattered objections persisted, Newton's laws were so successful in explaining the motions of the planets that his concepts were universally accepted.
Einstein, however, abolished all that, saying that gravity was not a force at all, but merely the observed effect of the warping of space and time by matter. He examined two situations: resting on the surface of a massive body and accelerating in empty space. If the rate of acceleration was adjusted correctly, a person would feel the same downward pull of gravity. Einstein asserted that these effects were actually the same. A far cry from Newton's view of gravity as a force acting at a distance!
Your going to hold that as Truth?Actually bod, i more like Dennison.
have you heard of him?
He is the only one in the world.
Either way bod, i wouldnt hold that has truth.
Again most of my arguements are not even defending the bible, all i state again and time again,
is that there is no point to attack the bible and what not when the Quran depends on it.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 11 2010,19:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2010,10:56) [ Glossary Window] [ Timeline Window]
When people think of scientific genius, two names immediately come to mind: Einstein and Newton. While it is still widely debated which was actually the more ingenius of the two (as if it really mattered), scientists agree on one thing: it's purely a two-man race. The intellects and achievements of all the other great scientists can hardly be considered mediocre, but none can measure up to the impossible brilliance of these two. Einstein and Newton were to the other guys what ordinary geniuses are to us.
The differences between Einsteinian and Newtonian physics all boil down to two basic concepts: space and time. Newton's space and time were absolue, that is, unchangable. Space was boundless, static, and completely empty save for the universal medium, the ether, and time had flowed inexoribly since Creation. Einstein's space and time, however, wound and twisted about one another into one absolute concept, spacetime. In Einstein's universe, space and time were continually being warped and shaped according to the motions of energy and matter.
Before Newton's time, people were utter mystifyed by the motion of the stars in the heavens, inventing elaborate explainations involving gods and imbedded spheres and the such. But Newton found that his theory of gravity explained their motions almost perfectly. Only such a superb mind as his could have equated the force that acts on an apple falling from a tree to that which keeps the Earth in orbit around the sun. Newton's gravity was a force carried in a universal medium called the luminous ether by which every object in the universe affects every other. Although a few scattered objections persisted, Newton's laws were so successful in explaining the motions of the planets that his concepts were universally accepted.
Einstein, however, abolished all that, saying that gravity was not a force at all, but merely the observed effect of the warping of space and time by matter. He examined two situations: resting on the surface of a massive body and accelerating in empty space. If the rate of acceleration was adjusted correctly, a person would feel the same downward pull of gravity. Einstein asserted that these effects were actually the same. A far cry from Newton's view of gravity as a force acting at a distance!
Your going to hold that as Truth?Actually bod, i more like Dennison.
have you heard of him?
He is the only one in the world.
Either way bod, i wouldnt hold that has truth.
Again most of my arguements are not even defending the bible, all i state again and time again,
is that there is no point to attack the bible and what not when the Quran depends on it.
Honestly, I have never attacked the Bible nor will I ever attack the Bible, it is not an attack to point out a fact.Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2010,14:45) Honestly, I have never attacked the Bible nor will I ever attack the Bible, it is not an attack to point out a fact.
Bod, it is attacked when you say that what is 'in it' is wrong. What others trust to be true, yes I know (you will say but, Christians say the Quran isnt true) but the question is, what came first? And not only which book but which 'speaker' we follow what Jesus said you follow what Mohammad said but Jesus came first. Mohammad was a man nothing more Jesus came from above. In a world of such confusion where men teach and mislead what better thing to pay attention to than that which is said to have come from above. The very creator of the world and the universe. Through him all things were made. He was in the beginning Mohammad wasnt.Quote Today many Islamic countries and Muslims all over have taken up many ways of the Jews of the Old testament ways that many Christians condemn as being wrong and yet the Quran does not condone these activities but in-fact it is the Bible itself that condones these things. There is no prescription of stoning in the Quran but there is in the Bible.
It seems each time someone accuses Islam of something evil I find it in the Bible and not in the Quran so reading the Quran is Vital to understanding and better yet vital to understanding that Most Christians have no idea what is in the Bible.
This is attacking the bible.
lets not play gamesQuote (karmarie @ July 12 2010,13:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2010,14:45) Honestly, I have never attacked the Bible nor will I ever attack the Bible, it is not an attack to point out a fact.
Bod, it is attacked when you say that what is 'in it' is wrong. What others trust to be true, yes I know (you will say but, Christians say the Quran isnt true) but the question is, what came first? And not only which book but which 'speaker' we follow what Jesus said you follow what Mohammad said but Jesus came first. Mohammad was a man nothing more Jesus came from above. In a world of such confusion where men teach and mislead what better thing to pay attention to than that which is said to have come from above. The very creator of the world and the universe. Through him all things were made. He was in the beginning Mohammad wasnt.
According to your statement Christianity is completely invalid because Moses came before Christ was sent here and the Jews declare that he is not the Messiah but you like I would say “No, the Jews didn't understand but if they read the NT they may learn the truth that Jesus is the Christ” but they like most Christians will simply turn a blind eye.So while you can clearly see why the Jews are not understanding properly it is the same way with me saying most Christians are not understanding properly.
The most amazing thing of all is that Christians will favor Jews who have rejected Jesus Christ completely over Islam which insists that Jesus is THE CHRIST and a Word from God
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 12 2010,13:34) Quote Today many Islamic countries and Muslims all over have taken up many ways of the Jews of the Old testament ways that many Christians condemn as being wrong and yet the Quran does not condone these activities but in-fact it is the Bible itself that condones these things. There is no prescription of stoning in the Quran but there is in the Bible.
It seems each time someone accuses Islam of something evil I find it in the Bible and not in the Quran so reading the Quran is Vital to understanding and better yet vital to understanding that Most Christians have no idea what is in the Bible.
This is attacking the bible.
lets not play games
show me where there is an attack and to do that you would have to show thatA. Stoning is not in the bible and
B. where did I condemn stoningWhat I said very clearly was every time a Christian says something they consider to be evil is in Islam I do not find it in the Quran but I do find it in The Bible
For instance in The Quran Homosexuality is condemned but there is no death penalty prescribed for it.
[7:80-81] Lot said to his people, “You commit such an abomination; no one
in the world has done it before! “You practice sex with the men,
instead of the women. Indeed, you are a transgressing people.”[26:165-166] “Do you have sex with the males, of all the people? “You forsake
the wives that your Lord has created for you! Indeed, you are
transgressing people.”Now according to the Quran we are told
[60:8-9] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight
you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You
may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the
equitable. GOD enjoins you only from befriending those who fight
you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band
together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them.
Those who befriend them are the transgressors.So in the Quran there is no mention of any corporal punishment in this matter although if one was assigned it would be no greater than the one assigned to adultery
furthermore it would be very difficult to prove unless someone was running around declaring what they do in private.So when I say that many of the Muslim countries today are taking after the Jews and Christians in some matters it's because it is in the Bible
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 18:21-23If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:12-14Bod, you said
Quote The most amazing thing of all is that Christians will favor Jews who have rejected Jesus Christ completely over Islam which insists that Jesus is THE CHRIST and a Word from God They do? No, there is no longer Jew or Gentile but all one in Christ. Any who believe and follow Jesus.
Bod, Through the Jews came Jesus, the one who came to save the world, who came from above, but was born from the Jews, then, any, Jew or Gentile, any who believed in him, became those born not of man but of God,
Quote (karmarie @ July 13 2010,12:09) Bod, Through the Jews came Jesus, the one who came to save the world, who came from above, but was born from the Jews, then, any, Jew or Gentile, any who believed in him, became those born not of man but of God,
So you accept that Jews do not believe Jesus was the Christ and not only that consider him one of the false prophets.Do you accept them or not?
Any who believe that Jesus is not the son of God and who believe he was a false prophet, I do not accept what they say no.
Quote (karmarie @ July 13 2010,13:25) Any who believe that Jesus is not the son of God and who believe he was a false prophet, I do not accept what they say no.
So you believe that these Jews will go to Hell or eterna; death?So you have an interesting dilemna hear Karmarie
On one hand you if someone says they believe Jesus is Christ you say that you will reject them if they don't believe that Jesus is the literal son of God and by believing this way you reject those who believe in CHRIST
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