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  • #388410
    Resting
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    The image of the beast is what people are told to make.

    Rev 13:14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth—by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
    Rev 13:15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

    What is this image they make?

    Res.

    #388493
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Resting @ June 12 2014,08:41)
    The image of the beast is what people are told to make.

    Rev 13:14  And he deceives those who dwell on the earth—by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
    Rev 13:15  He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

    What is this image they make?

    Res.


    HI Keras.

    I believe that this image is not a physical thing.
    Like a statue or something.
    The image is the system;the rules and laws, and regulations.
    breaking the rules will cause death.

    wakeup.

    #388515
    Resting
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,12:16)

    Quote (Resting @ June 12 2014,08:41)
    The image of the beast is what people are told to make.

    Rev 13:14  And he deceives those who dwell on the earth—by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
    Rev 13:15  He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

    What is this image they make?

    Res.


    HI Keras.

    I believe that this image is not a physical thing.
    Like a statue or something.
    The image is the system;the rules and laws, and regulations.
    breaking the rules will cause death.

    wakeup.


    Who is Keras?

    Are you saying the image is of something which had a wound with a sword but does live (again), but is not physical.

    What are the rules of the system and who is it being forced upon.

    Res.

    #388556
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Resting @ June 12 2014,13:40)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,12:16)

    Quote (Resting @ June 12 2014,08:41)
    The image of the beast is what people are told to make.

    Rev 13:14  And he deceives those who dwell on the earth—by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
    Rev 13:15  He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

    What is this image they make?

    Res.


    HI Keras.

    I believe that this image is not a physical thing.
    Like a statue or something.
    The image is the system;the rules and laws, and regulations.
    breaking the rules will cause death.

    wakeup.


    Who is Keras?

    Are you saying the image is of something which had a wound with a sword but does live (again), but is not physical.

    What are the rules of the system and who is it being forced upon.

    Res.


    Sorry Resting; I mean you Resting.

    The beast that was wounded is a physical empire;and has a system,rules and laws.
    Anyone that will not submit to the rules and laws will be killed.The image consists of rules and regulations,and laws.

    wakeup.

    #388602
    Resting
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,16:06)

    Quote (Resting @ June 12 2014,13:40)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,12:16)

    Quote (Resting @ June 12 2014,08:41)
    The image of the beast is what people are told to make.

    Rev 13:14  And he deceives those who dwell on the earth—by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
    Rev 13:15  He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

    What is this image they make?

    Res.


    HI Keras.

    I believe that this image is not a physical thing.
    Like a statue or something.
    The image is the system;the rules and laws, and regulations.
    breaking the rules will cause death.

    wakeup.


    Who is Keras?

    Are you saying the image is of something which had a wound with a sword but does live (again), but is not physical.

    What are the rules of the system and who is it being forced upon.

    Res.


    Sorry Resting; I mean you Resting.

    The beast that was wounded is a physical empire;and has a system,rules and laws.
    Anyone that will not submit to the rules and laws will be killed.The image consists of rules and regulations,and laws.

    wakeup.


    The next question —

    Are the rules and regulations forced upon the church in one way concerning worship,or in an economic way, or both.

    Those who dwell on the earth.

    Is this a spiritual description? for where else would they be if it was physical?

    Res.

    #388603
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Resting @ June 12 2014,19:43)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,16:06)

    Quote (Resting @ June 12 2014,13:40)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,12:16)

    Quote (Resting @ June 12 2014,08:41)
    The image of the beast is what people are told to make.

    Rev 13:14  And he deceives those who dwell on the earth—by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
    Rev 13:15  He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

    What is this image they make?

    Res.


    HI Keras.

    I believe that this image is not a physical thing.
    Like a statue or something.
    The image is the system;the rules and laws, and regulations.
    breaking the rules will cause death.

    wakeup.


    Who is Keras?

    Are you saying the image is of something which had a wound with a sword but does live (again), but is not physical.

    What are the rules of the system and who is it being forced upon.

    Res.


    Sorry Resting; I mean you Resting.

    The beast that was wounded is a physical empire;and has a system,rules and laws.
    Anyone that will not submit to the rules and laws will be killed.The image consists of rules and regulations,and laws.

    wakeup.


    The next question —

    Are the rules and regulations forced upon the church in one way concerning worship,or in an economic way,  or both.

    Those who dwell on the earth.

    Is this a spiritual description? for where else would they be if it was physical?

    Res.


    Resting.

    When the beast is in power;there will be no churches,
    or anything of worship.
    All must worship Him as God.(the false prophet).
    Forced to take the mark, or one can not survive.
    There will not be any christians roaming free;
    unless they have worshippped the beast and the false prophet;by taking the mark.

    Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

    wakeup.

    #388797
    Resting
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,20:50)

    Quote (Resting @ June 12 2014,19:43)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,16:06)

    Quote (Resting @ June 12 2014,13:40)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,12:16)

    Quote (Resting @ June 12 2014,08:41)
    The image of the beast is what people are told to make.

    Rev 13:14  And he deceives those who dwell on the earth—by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
    Rev 13:15  He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

    What is this image they make?

    Res.


    HI Keras.

    I believe that this image is not a physical thing.
    Like a statue or something.
    The image is the system;the rules and laws, and regulations.
    breaking the rules will cause death.

    wakeup.


    Who is Keras?

    Are you saying the image is of something which had a wound with a sword but does live (again), but is not physical.

    What are the rules of the system and who is it being forced upon.

    Res.


    Sorry Resting; I mean you Resting.

    The beast that was wounded is a physical empire;and has a system,rules and laws.
    Anyone that will not submit to the rules and laws will be killed.The image consists of rules and regulations,and laws.

    wakeup.


    The next question —

    Are the rules and regulations forced upon the church in one way concerning worship,or in an economic way,  or both.

    Those who dwell on the earth.

    Is this a spiritual description? for where else would they be if it was physical?

    Res.


    Resting.

    When the beast is in power;there will be no churches,
    or anything of worship.
    All must worship Him as God.(the false prophet).
    Forced to take the mark, or one can not survive.
    There will not be any christians roaming free;
    unless they have worshippped the beast and the false prophet;by taking the mark.

    Matthew 16:25   For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

    wakeup.


    Are you saying that there will be no worship of God by the Jews, and by Moslems, or even by the RCC.

    Can we ever see the day when all of them will cease their worship?

    How do you see the second beast of Rev.13

    Is it not out of the land and therefore of religion?

    Res.

    #388798
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Resting @ June 13 2014,19:52)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,20:50)

    Quote (Resting @ June 12 2014,19:43)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,16:06)

    Quote (Resting @ June 12 2014,13:40)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,12:16)

    Quote (Resting @ June 12 2014,08:41)
    The image of the beast is what people are told to make.

    Rev 13:14  And he deceives those who dwell on the earth—by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
    Rev 13:15  He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

    What is this image they make?

    Res.


    HI Keras.

    I believe that this image is not a physical thing.
    Like a statue or something.
    The image is the system;the rules and laws, and regulations.
    breaking the rules will cause death.

    wakeup.


    Who is Keras?

    Are you saying the image is of something which had a wound with a sword but does live (again), but is not physical.

    What are the rules of the system and who is it being forced upon.

    Res.


    Sorry Resting; I mean you Resting.

    The beast that was wounded is a physical empire;and has a system,rules and laws.
    Anyone that will not submit to the rules and laws will be killed.The image consists of rules and regulations,and laws.

    wakeup.


    The next question —

    Are the rules and regulations forced upon the church in one way concerning worship,or in an economic way,  or both.

    Those who dwell on the earth.

    Is this a spiritual description? for where else would they be if it was physical?

    Res.


    Resting.

    When the beast is in power;there will be no churches,
    or anything of worship.
    All must worship Him as God.(the false prophet).
    Forced to take the mark, or one can not survive.
    There will not be any christians roaming free;
    unless they have worshippped the beast and the false prophet;by taking the mark.

    Matthew 16:25   For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

    wakeup.


    Are you saying that there will be no worship of God by the Jews, and by Moslems, or even by the RCC.

    Can we ever see the day when all of them will cease their worship?

    How do you see the second beast of Rev.13

    Is it not out of the land and therefore of religion?

    Res.


    The beast that came out of the earth.(rev 13).
    is the false prophet. He and his kingdom the ten horned beast;will be cast in the fire.verse 20.
    2thess.2.

    Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

    THAT TERRIBLE BEAST IS also THE TEN TOES BEAST.
    THE IMAGE IN DAN 2. AND ALSO THE TEN KINGS.

    Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

    THAT LITTLE HORN COMING UP, IS THE SAME AS THE BEAST COMING OUT OF THE EARTH IN REV. 13.

    YOU WILL SEE IT IN VERSE 11.BELOW.

    Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

    THAT IS THE COMING OF JESUS AND HIS KINGDOM.

    Daniel 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

    THAT IS THE SECOND JEDGEMENT. ALL JUDGED BY THE BOOKS.

    Daniel 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

    THE HORN AND THE BEAST CAST INTO THE BURNING FLAME. SAME IN REV 19:20.

    Daniel 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

    NOT ALL KINGDOMS WILL BE DESTROYED AT THE COMING.
    SOME WILL BE SPARED;BUT THEIR DOMINION TAKEN AWAY.

    Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

    Daniel 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

    THAT WAS SPEAKING OF THE KINGDOM ON EARTH.

    Daniel 7:15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.

    Daniel 7:16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.

    DANIEL COULD NOT UNDERSTAND THE VISION.

    Daniel 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

    Daniel 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

    Daniel 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

    THE FOURTN BEAST HAS TEN HORNS.THAT WOULD BE THE TEN TOES. AND THE *LAST KINGDOM ON EARTH*
    JESUS WILL TAKE OVER.

    Daniel 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

    THE TEN HORNS AND THE LITTLE HORN WITH E
    YES.
    EYES=SPIRITUAL. SPEAK GREAT THINGS WITH HIS MOUTH
    IN REV.19.HE DOES GREAT MIRACLES

    THE HE CAME OUT OF THE EART WITH TWO HORN,LIKE A LAMB.
    TWO HORNS MEANS THAT; HE WILL CONTROL THE SPIRITUAL AND SECULAR MATTERS.

    Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

    THE FALSE PROPHET WILL MAKE WAR AGAINST THE TRUE
    CHRISTIANS.

    Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

    THE SAINTS WILL INHERIT THE KINGDOM.

    Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

    THAT FOURTH BEAST WITH THE TEN HORNS;WILL BE OF A DIFFERENT SYSTEM OF GOVENMENT.
    A SYSTEM OF TOTAL CONTROL OF THE POPULATIONS.

    Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

    THE TEN KINGS ARE HERE NOW, BUT RULING IN SECRET.
    THEY WILL BE REVEALED TO US.

    Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    HE IS A GREAT BLASPHEMER. HE WILL CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS.

    Daniel 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

    JESUS AND HIS SAINTS WILL TAKE AWAY HIS KINGDOM.

    Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

    THE SAINTS WILL BE GIVEN TO RULE WITH CHRIST.

    Daniel 7:28 Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.

    DANIEL COULD NOT UNDERSTAND,BECAUSE IT IS TO FAR
    INTO THE FUTURE.

    wakeup.

    wakeup.

    #388799
    Wakeup
    Participant

    THere will be not any kind of worship but the beast, and his image. 2thess 2. He will sit in the temple of God saying that he is God.

    wakeup.

    #388842
    Resting
    Participant

    Wakeup,

    The second beast has two horns, not one.

    How do you account for that.

    Res.

    #388854
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,20:50)
    Resting.

    When the beast is in power;there will be no churches,
    or anything of worship.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Yes in islam (the eighth beast of Rev.) they behead those who witness
    (1)for Jesus and (2)for the word of God and (3)burn their Churches down.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #388855
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Resting @ June 14 2014,13:15)
    Wakeup,

    The second beast has two horns, not one.

    How do you account for that.

    Res.


    Hi Resting,

    The two horns of the false prophet Muhammad represent shia and sunni muslim factions.
    And the fire he calls down from heaven in the sight of men (Rev.13:13) is the quran.  
    Also read Paul's Prophetic words regarding Muhammad in Gal.1:8 & 2Cor.11:14.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #388856
    Ed J
    Participant

    The image of the beast is world conquest.

    #388863
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2014,14:16)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 12 2014,20:50)
    Resting.

    When the beast is in power;there will be no churches,
    or anything of worship.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Yes in islam (the eighth beast of Rev.) they behead those who witness
    (1)for Jesus and (2)for the word of God and (3)burn their Churches down.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed,you are moving away from the *IRON* to the *CLAY*.
    You should stay on track. The Roman empire is the *IRON*.
    Not the weaker CLAY nations.

    The *CLAY* nations are used by the *IRON* nations to do the job. They are just a tool used by the IRON nations.

    wakeup.

    #388874
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup,

    The Christian nations have beat their swords into plowshares. (see Daniel 7:27)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #388877
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2014,15:46)
    Hi Wakeup,

    The Christian nations have beat their swords into plowshares.   (see Daniel 7:27)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    We are making more and more weapons of war.
    Why do you say the opposite?
    We have not changed swords into plowshares.
    No one can see any peace.
    They are only talking about peace.

    Please explain.

    #388888
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 14 2014,15:53)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2014,15:46)
    Hi Wakeup,

    The Christian nations have beat their swords into plowshares.   (see Daniel 7:27)

    God bless
    Ed J


    We are making more and more weapons of war.
    Why do you say the opposite?
    We have not changed swords into plowshares.
    No one can see any peace.
    They are only talking about peace.

    Please explain.


    Hi Wakeup,

    The Christian nations of the world have been at peace with each other for over a hundred years now.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #388895
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Resting @ June 14 2014,13:15)
    Wakeup,

    The second beast has two horns, not one.

    How do you account for that.

    Res.


    Resting

    Wakeup already explained it to you.
    The vision in Daniel is a little horn coming up. Obviously means LEADER, coming up out of the 10.
    The vision is Rev is a leader with 2 horns. This little horn has 2 horns now. He is a world leader, and a spiritual leader now. He is in charge of both.

    #388897
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ June 14 2014,16:38)

    Quote (Resting @ June 14 2014,13:15)
    Wakeup,

    The second beast has two horns, not one.

    How do you account for that.

    Res.


    Resting

    Wakeup already explained it to you.
    The vision in Daniel is a little horn coming up.  Obviously means LEADER, coming up out of the 10.
    The vision is Rev is a leader with 2 horns.  This little horn has 2 horns now.  He is a world leader, and a spiritual leader now. He is in charge of both.


    Hi Journey42,

    Are you going to answer his question and tell us what you think the two horns are?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #388899
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2014,16:41)
    Hi Journey42,

    Are you going to answer his question and tell us what you think the two horns are?


    Ed

    I said he was a world leader and a spiritual leader.  In charge of both.

    Do you need me to elaborate?
    He is a world leader because power is given to him of all.

    Revelation 13:16   And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

    Revelation 13:17   And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    He is spiritual because he is doing miracles.  Making fire come down from heaven etc, and causing all to worship him as he is posing as God.

    2 Thessalonians 2:4   Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

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