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Keras,
Camillia, you have answered your own question. There will be survivors of this forthcoming worldwide judgement by fire, the Sixth Seal event.
I agree.
Do you believe those who remain will be of any nationality or race?
I have written over 500 articles on the Prophetic Word. Please look at my free website: logostelos.info for a detailed explanation of the end times and how the great promises of God to His people will be fulfilled.
Thanks, but I prefer to read things in smaller portions (that is the toll of forums!)
Keras.
Have you heard of the jackle island treaty in 1886?
Since then the world has been ruled by the private banking cartels.
We are now still ruled by those cartels, the Rothchilds and Morgans, Rockefellers etc.
Soon they will manifest into a one system; meaning, openly rule the world.
The second coming will be against this one world system. See rev.18. Secular babylon is the world trade system;
with all her delicacies.
And spiritually the world religions and believe systems.
The ten kings are here now,and has been for a long time. This is not something to come.
There will be no lasting peace in israel untill Christ rules.
There will be peace but for one hour; then sudden destruction will come upon the world.(destruction = destruction; not peace in israel).
The world is today ruled in secret, by ten top elite’s; they have control of all the money sysytem.
Only two countries are not under their control;
Iran and Cuba.
They will place one king in charge;he will be in charge of the secular and the spiritual.
He will call himself god. He only will have power for 3/half years.
ps. New zealand and others are not truly ruled by their prime ministers;nor does the Usa.
The money rules; the private banking cartels rules;they are in control.
wakeup.
Camillia: Those saved by the Lord from this forthcoming fire judgement, will be from every race, tribe and language. Rev 7:9. But in order to fulfil God’s promises to the Patriarchs, the majority will be true descendants of Jacob. Amos 9:8b-15
Wakeup; yes the IMF, etc, now control the worlds economies. They will all be destroyed in the Day of wrath. It will be a totally different world very soon.
Keras,
It will be a totally different world very soon.
but the destruction of the world by fire and the biblical fact that the elect will remain alive coincides with both Jesus and Paul’s description of the rapture (Matthew 13, Matthew 24 and 1st Thess 4:13), do you agree?
Those saved by the Lord from this forthcoming fire judgement, will be from every race, tribe and language. Rev 7:9. But in order to fulfil God’s promises to the Patriarchs, the majority will be true descendants of Jacob. Amos 9:8b-15
And where in the world in your opinion are the true descendants of Jacob today?
Keras.
Ezekiel 21:26 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same : exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.
Ezekiel 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, ***until he come whose right it is***; ***and I will give it him***.
GOD WILL OVERTURN 3X, AND GIVE THE CROWN TO HIM WHOSE RIGHT IT IS.
ISRAEL AS **A SOVEREIN NATION** WAS OVERTURNED BY THE ASSYRIANS, FIRST; THEN BABYLON, SECOND.
THE THIRD OVERTURN IS COMING; AND JESUS WILL RULE.
THERE WILL BE NO ISRAEL LIVING IN PEACE IN BETWEEN.
THEY WILL BE LIVING IN PEACE WHEN JESUS RULES.
wakeup.
I do not see a rapture to heaven anywhere in the Bible. There is no scripture that actually says that.
Prophecy is clear on what we humans are tasked to do, that is: to be a light to the nations and to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. What is promised to us, as believers in Jesus and keepers of His commandments, is the great blessings of living in all of the holy Land, in peace and prosperity. It is them who say: Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord.
The true descendants of Jacob are still scattered around the world and are lost to history, as God intended. He knows who they are and He will gather them back to their heritage. Many scriptures prove this, you can look for free at my website for all the details: logostelos.info
Wakeup, please!
We all have our own Bibles, to quote lengthy passages without comment is just a waste of space.
I agree;there is no rapture at any time.
This is a fable.The reaping will be at the second coming: ***at the appearing***.
And so will be the reaping of the grapes and put through the wine press. Which is armageddon;which also is after the tribulation.
Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of ***the wine of the fierceness of his wrath***.THE REAPING OF THE GOOD AND THE EVIL: The wheat stored, and the weed will be burned.
Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.Revelation 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
Revelation 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
Revelation 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Revelation 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Revelation 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
Yes;any can die at anytime and any day,but will still be resurrected at the appointed day.
All the dead are asleep;as if they are waiting,but they are not; because they are not conscious.wakeup.
Keras,
I do not see a rapture to heaven anywhere in the Bible. There is no scripture that actually says that.
The word rapture is not in scripture, but rapture essentially means the transporting of believers to heaven at the second coming of Christ.
Verses used to support this transporting of believers to heaven are:
Matthew 13:24: Both the weeds and the wheat grow up together until the day of harvest. On the day of harvest, FIRST Jesus’ angels are sent to gather the weeds and cast them into the fire, and then the righteous will shine like the sun. Matthew 24 reiterates: As in the days of Noah so shall it be. One was taken, one was left. The ones who were taken were destroyed with water, and those who remained were saved. So here we clearly have the wicked being taken away and destroyed, and those who remain alive saved.
Further, 1st Thessalonians. These who remain alive will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, so to be forever with the Lord.
This transporting clearly coincides with the destruction of the world by fire. 2nd Peter 3 also shows the return of Christ and the “rapture” of those who remain means the heavens passing away with a loud noise, the elements dissolving with fire, and the earth and the works that are on it being burned up, and according to his promise, a new heavens and a new earth.
What is promised to us, as believers in Jesus and keepers of His commandments, is the great blessings of living in all of the holy Land, in peace and prosperity.
Um, no. It is the heavenly Jerusalem. (Gal 4:25, and Hebrews 12:22).
Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, to tens of thousands of angels joyfully gathered together, to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, to a judge who is the God of all, to the spirits of righteous people who have been made perfect, to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better message than Abel’s.
Keras.
I do not think that those few scriptures need any comment.
For it is straight and clear.
God will overturn israel one more time;and give the crown to Him whose right it is.
There will be no peaceful king ruling in israel before armageddon.
The false prophet will bring peace to the world,for one hour;just to deceive.wakeup.
Amellia.
There is a resurrection at the coming only.
Not at anytime as they teach will happen.I agree that we true believers are now not OF babylon,but are in Zion; the city of God.
This city will be in physical form in jerusalem, the kingdom of God.
We will rule over the jews that are brought back by choice; of all generations.
We will teach them christ; and they will teach the gentiles also.
Christ will rule the earth with a rod of iron.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup. Do you have any scripture to back that up? (and I mean the new testament because there is a new covenant).
Wakeup,
That, quote you:
This city will be in physical form in jerusalem, the kingdom of God.
We will rule over the jews that are brought back by choice; of all generations.
We will teach them christ; and they will teach the gentiles also.Do you have any scripture to back that up? (and I mean the new testament because there is a new covenant). If you have clear scriptures to back it up, then I might believe you. If not, it is just opinion and not scriptural facts. Do you know what I mean?
I don’t see anywhere in the new testament where it says that the Jews will be brought back by choice, and that Christians will then teach them, and the gentiles too?
Camellia.
This is a long study to to bring all the pieces together.
You can see EZ.37. God says that He will put flesh back on the dry bones; and bring back israel to their own land again.
This is the bringing back of the jews of all generations into the kingdom.
Scripture also says that the saints will be kings and priests,in the kingdom of God.
Saints will not rule over saints;but over the jews,in the kingdom, and gentiles outside.
The jews provoked God to jealousy in the desert; and God said, that He also will provoke them to jealousy
with an unknown people,which are the gentiles(christians) today.The firsts shall be last ,and the last shall be first. The jews were chosen first.
The bringing back of the jews. Jer.23:1–8. 31:15–18 (just a few).
Great prophesies are only found in the prophesies and in Revelation.wakeup.
It is correct that Christians will teach the Jews. Jeremiah 12:14-16 tells us that will happen.
But where Wakeup goes wrong, is his belief that this will happen AFTER the Return of Jesus. As Jeremiah says: the Lord will uproot Judah from the Land. Then Jeremiah 30 tells the great story of the gathering and settling of both Israel and Judah back into all of the holy Land. Jer 30:21 says they will elect for themselves a leader. This proves it will all happen BEFORE the Return of King Jesus.
Keras.
Jeremiah 30:18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, ***I will bring again the captivity of Jacob’s tents***, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.
I WILL BRING *AGAIN* THE CAPTIVITY OF JACOB.(NOT BEFORE THE COMING).
AND THE CITIES SHALL BE BUILDED UPON HER OWN HEAP.(MEANING; THAT WAS IN RUINS).(DESTROYED).Jeremiah 30:19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and **I will multiply them**, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.
I WILL MULRIPLY THEM. (DURING THE THOUSAND YEARS).
THEY SHALL NOT BE SMALL.Jeremiah 30:20 Their children also shall be ***as aforetime***, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.
THEIR CHILDREN SHALL BE AS AFORETIME.( AS BEFORE THEY WERE).
Jeremiah 30:21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD.
THEIR NOBLES SHALL BE OF THEMSELVES. THEY WILL HAVE THEIR OWN LEADERS IN PARADISE. BUT THE KINGDOM IS OF THE LORD AND HIS SAINTS.
Jeremiah 30:22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
YE SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. IN PARADISE.THEY WILL ORGANISE THINGS AMONGST THEM SELVES.
Jeremiah 30:23 Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.
SPEAKING OF ALL THE WICKED.
Jeremiah 30:24 The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.
IN LATTER YEARS YE SHALL CONSIDER IT.
ALL IS OF THE KINGDOM TO COME.wakeup
Wakeup; NONE of what you quote says when the great regathering and going to live in all of the holy Land will happen. But from this and many other prophesies, it is obvious that it does happen BEFORE the Return. This is in order for God to fulfil His promises to the Patriarchs and for the New Israelites, Isaiah 62:1-5, to send out 144,000 to proclaim the COMING kingdom of Jesus.
Here is a list of prophesies that tell about the Israelites Second Exodus, when God will lead them in the same way as He did in the first Exodus. Nowhere does it say Jesus is King at that time;
The Second Exodus of the Israelites
2 Chronicles 6:36-39 If your people sin against You and in Your anger, they are sent out of the holy Land, but then; if they turn back in penitence – confessing their sins in true sincerity, then: I ask, hear their prayer and uphold their rights.
Isaiah 51:5-6 In an instant I will bring victory, My Deliverance will appear to My people. Look, although the sky is dispersed like smoke and people die like flies, My saving power to you will be everlasting. [Protection on the Lord’s Day of wrath – a CME sunstrike]
Psalm 66:12 We have been downtrodden and passed through fire, but now You bring us into a place of plenty.
Psalm 68:19-27 Blessed is the Lord, He is our salvation, He smites our enemies. The Lord says: I shall bring My people back from their dispersion – now look: The procession of the twelve tribes comes into view, singing and dancing as they return to the Land.
Isaiah 30:29 For you there will be songs and gladness as you march to the Lord’s holy Land.
Isaiah 11:11-16 On that Day, the Lord will exert His power a second time to recover the remnant of His people, He makes a signal to the nations and will gather all those dispersed of Israel, from every corner of the earth. The enmity between Judah and Israel will cease.
Isaiah 41:8-10 Have no fear, My people – the descendants of My friend, Abraham. I have not rejected you, now I summon you from the four corners of the earth; I am with you and will give you strength.
Isaiah 49:8-23 At the appointed time of My favour, I will answer you, on the Day of deliverance I come to your aid. I have prepared you and destined you to be a light to the nations. You will go free from every place where you were exiled; the Lord will guide and comfort you, as you assemble back into your heritage.
Isaiah 54:7 & 2-3 For a passing moment I cast you off, now with tender affection I shall bring you home again. Enlarge your space, for you will dispossess nations and live in cities made empty and desolate. [The Mid East, depopulated by the Lord’s Day of wrath]
Isaiah 55:14 You will be restored triumphantly, you will have nothing to fear.
Jeremiah 3:14-18 Come back, you apostate people! I shall take a few of you and bring you to Zion. I will give you leaders with understanding, never again be led astray.
Jeremiah 30:4-11 The Day of terror comes, everyone grips their sides in fright. It is a Day of anguish for Jacob, but he will come through it safely. On that Day, I shall break the yoke of servitude off My people, I will bring you back safe from afar, Jacob will be at rest once more, I will discipline you only as you deserve.
Isaiah 60:4-12 Look: The people are coming, some from far away, in vessels that sail along like the clouds, that fly like doves. [aircraft] They bring their treasures with them, and flocks of livestock will be acceptable offerings on the altar of My Temple.
Isaiah 61:2b-11 .…a Day of vengeance of our God, then comfort to all who mourn, they will be called ‘trees of righteousness’, planted by the Lord. They will rebuild the ruined cities; aliens will help you bring the Land back to prosperity. Great will be your wealth and renown.
Isaiah 66:18-20 I am coming to gather peoples of every tongue; they will come to see My glory. From the entire world, in every type of conveyance, they come as an offering to the Lord.
Jeremiah 16:14-16 The time is coming when I shall bring the Israelites back to the soil that I gave to their forefathers, I will fish and hunt in every place to find them all.
Jeremiah 30:18-22 I shall restore the fortunes of Jacobs clans, the houses will be rebuilt and the Land made prosperous. A ruler will appear, one of themselves – he will approach Me.
Jeremiah 23:3 I, Myself will gather the remnant of My sheep from all the lands to which I have dispersed them; I shall bring them back to their rightful homes and they will be fruitful and increase. Continued –
Jeremiah 31:1-40 At that time, I shall be the God of all the families of Israel and they will be My people. Those who survive My sword of punishment, will find My favour. Virgin Israel – I will build you up again, again you will plant vineyards on the hills of Samaria. Give shouts of joy and go forth with a merry throng of dancers!
There is hope for the posterity of Israel, their children will return to within their own borders. The days are coming when Jerusalem will be rebuilt to the Lord’s honour.
Jeremiah 32:1-15 Jeremiah is told to go and buy a field and to seal the title deed into a jar, to be kept for a distant future time, when once again all Israel will live in the Land.
Jeremiah 32:37-41 I shall gather My people from every place where have banished them. It will be a joy to Me to do them good when I plant them in this Land.
Jeremiah 33:6-9 Now I shall bring healing and care to Israel and Judah, they will see lasting peace and security. I will cleanse them of all the sins they have committed in their rebellion against Me. Their Land will be famous for its prosperity.
Jeremiah 46:27-28 Israel, My servants: do not be afraid, from afar I will bring you back safe, your children with you, from all the countries where they are now in exile. Don’t worry, for I am with you, I shall punish the nations, but you I will discipline only as you deserve.
Jeremiah 50:4-6 At that time, Israel and Judah will come together and in tears go in search of their God, they will go to Zion and bind themselves to the Lord. My people are like lost sheep, forgetful of their rightful fold. [Land]
Jeremiah 29:13-14 When you seek Me, I shall let you find Me. I shall restore your fortunes and will gather you from your banishment and resettle you in the place from which I sent you into exile.
Ezekiel 11:15-20 The whole people of Israel [the 10 tribes] to whom Judah [the Jews] have said: The Land is now ours to possess. The Lord says: When I sent Israel far away around the world, for a while I was their protector and blessed them wherever they lived. [The blessings of Jacob; Genesis 49] I shall gather My people from their dispersion and give the Land of Israel to them. I will remove their hearts of stone and put a new spirit in them. They will be My people and I will be their God.
Ezekiel 20:34 By My outpoured wrath, [the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath] I shall bring you out from the nations and gather you from wherever you are dispersed.
Ezekiel 28:24-26 No longer will the Israelites suffer threats from their neighbours. When they are settled on their own soil, they will display My holiness for all the world to see. [Jesus is not yet present in His glory, as it is His people who ‘show His holiness’, Ezekiel 39:27]
Ezekiel 36:8-12 But you; Land of Israel, grow your trees and bear fruit for the homecoming of My people is near. I shall settle in you many people, the towns again inhabited and the fields tilled, more people and more prosperous than in days of old.
Ezekiel 37:1-28 The great spiritual regeneration and rejoining of all the Israelites.
Hosea 1:11 The people of Israel and Judah will be reunited and will choose for themselves one leader. Great will be the Day of Jezreel. [Jezreel= all righteous Israel. ]
Hosea 2:14-23 Now, I shall woo and encourage the Israelites. They will be My new sowing in the holy Land, they will live there without fear, in prosperity and peace.
Hosea 11:8-11 I will not let loose My fury on Israel, a change of heart moves Me, they will now follow Me when I call, they will come like birds back to their own Land.
Hosea 14:4-8 I shall heal My peoples apostasy, I will love them freely, they will dwell in My shadow and will flourish like a vine. [in His shadow, not His presence, as yet]
Joel 2:18-19 The Lord showed His love for the Land and had compassion on His people.
Micah 2:12-13 I shall assemble you, the whole House of Jacob, herd you like sheep in a fold. They will all break out of their exile, the Lord showing the way.
Ref: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.
Wakeup,
This is a long study to to bring all the pieces together.
I have read your posts. No worries.
Scripture also says that the saints will be kings and priests,in the kingdom of God.
That has already happened, Wakeup.
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood– and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father– to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen. (Revelation 1:6)
Saints will not rule over saints;but over the jews,in the kingdom, and gentiles outside.
It does not say that. See above!
Great prophesies are only found in the prophesies and in Revelation.
Was Jesus not also a prophet? Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? Peter?
Jeremiah 12:14-15
This is what the Lord says: “As for all my wicked neighbors who seize the inheritance I gave my people Israel, I will uproot them from their lands and I will uproot the people of Judah from among them. But after I uproot them, I will again have compassion and will bring each of them back to their own inheritance and their own country.
But where Wakeup goes wrong, is his belief that this will happen AFTER the Return of Jesus.
If it is not already fulfilled, or does not have a different spiritual meaning, then the return of the Jews to Israel cannot happen AFTER the return of Jesus, because scriptures make it clear that when Jesus returns the world will be destroyed. If it was now — the regathering of Jews to Israel — hmm. It could be a fact (through DNA testing) that the Palestinians have more Hebrew blood in them than the European Jews in Israel (whose ancestors converted to Judaism as a religion, according to some writings).
See Texe Marrs. or for perhaps a more credible source try Tsvi Misinai
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