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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 20 2009,09:20) NIck……….God did. not Jesus, Jesus sent the 12 to the lost sheep of the house of Israel , that was there commission , Paul was sent to the gentiles . Is the way i understand it, With the exception of Carnelius , God wanted the disciples to Know He was extending salvation the the Gentiles also, but there commission from Jesus was to not go the way of the gentiles or Samaria but unto the lost Sheep of the house of Israel. IMO love and peace…………………….gene
Hi Gene:Who is the head of the church?
942767………..The Father , because Jesus said that was the (ROCK) he would build the Church on. remember. That ROCK is the POWER of GOD to REVEAL TRUTH INTO THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF PEOPLE HE IS SAVING. Remember what ever Jesus is the head of it is to the GLORY of the FATHER. Not HIMSELF. IMO
love and peace……………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 20 2009,09:31) 942767………..The Father , because Jesus said that was the (ROCK) he would build the Church on. remember. That ROCK is the POWER of GOD to REVEAL TRUTH INTO THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF PEOPLE HE IS SAVING. Remember what ever Jesus is the head of it is to the GLORY of the FATHER. Not HIMSELF. IMO love and peace……………..gene
Gene:This is what Jesus stated after his resurrection:
Quote Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Quote Jhn 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 942767………..So then you are saying Jesus was lying before he was resurrected right , when he said what i quoted . So in you mind everything changed right. No 94 it still the same God who has to reach down and save us. Don't deceive yourself, “For I give My GLORY to Know man” He said, It's Still (ONE) GOD who is in control of all things. Lets not Kid ourselves as so many have.
love and peace…………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 20 2009,09:53) 942767………..So then you are saying Jesus was lying before he was resurrected right , when he said what i quoted . So in you mind everything changed right. No 94 it still the same God who has to reach down and save us. Don't deceive yourself, “For I give My GLORY to Know man” He said, It's Still (ONE) GOD who is in control of all things. Lets not Kid ourselves as so many have. love and peace…………………gene
Hi Gene:The authority that Jesus has received has come from God the Father. No, I won't let you deceive me.
Quote You can make scriptures say almost what ever you want by taking them out of context David.
Gene, it's hard for you to take scripture out of context, when you don't use it at all.
As for me taking it out of context….you'd have to come up with OTHER SCRIPTURES that clearly disagree with what the scriptures I post suggest.Quote Go back and get the context of who and what Paul was talking about.
Which scripture Gene? do you even know?Quote Hi David.
Yes, He did tell His disciples to do that (Matt.28:19-20), but notice they never did go “to the nations”.–CO
Really? So Jesus disciples only preached to fleshly Israel? And how did the world come to hear about Jesus?
Quote They (Israel) rejected Him, and crucified Him, this rejecting Him (Jesus), has nulified their entrance into the “kingdom”, with Christ as their “king”. (That is why His deciples never did go into the nations). Chosenone, this is where you lose me. I completely agree with everything you say up until your last sentence. Jesus did have disciples, some of which were fleshly Israelites, Jews. And yes, they did follow Jesus command to “go” and spread the good news to all the nations. And that work continues today.
Quote This will yet take place in the fututre, when God will make a “new covenant” with them.
The scripture says: “Not that we of ourselves are adequately qualified to reckon anything as issuing from ourselves, but our being adequately qualified issues from God, who has indeed adequately qualified us to be ministers of a new covenant, not of a written code, but of spirit; for the written code condemns to death, but the spirit makes alive.”He was speaking as though he was qualified then to be a minister of the new covenant.
Or, how about this:
LUKE 22:28-30
““However, YOU are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; and I make a covenant with YOU, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, that YOU may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.”Your right. The fleshly Israelites as a group, did not stick with Jesus. But his disciples did. And so he made “a covenant with” them, for a kingdom. In fact, they would make up that kingdom and judge Israel.
He did not say “I will make” but said “I make” a covenant with you.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 13 2009,11:47) Hi 94,
Are you expecting to be ordained by God as a bishop?
Hi Nick:Yes, I am.
Hi 94,
You say
“However, we as Christians can send someone who has been ordained by God to go and preach the gospel.”
Will you be ordained by God or men?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 20 2009,13:55) Hi 94,
You say
“However, we as Christians can send someone who has been ordained by God to go and preach the gospel.”
Will you be ordained by God or men?
Hi Nick:I am not sure that what you are saying here is a direct quote of something that I said, but yet, God does ordain men through His anointed.
But what I believe that I have stated is that we as a body of believers are ordained by God to go and preach the gospel. Not all are Apostles (the Word means sent by God), but it is through us the body of believers that God provides the means for the Apostle to go.
In the Acts of the Apostles, Christians sold their lands in order to provide the Apostles with their needs as they obeyed God.
Hi 94,
Yes a quote of yours from this thread.
You do not enter into complete fellowship with your church as you have said so would you let them ordain you?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 20 2009,14:16) Hi 94,
Yes a quote of yours from this thread.
You do not enter into complete fellowship with your church as you have said so would you let them ordain you?
Hi Nick:If I said that it was not what I intended to say, I could have had man ordain me long before now, but I am waiting on God to ordain me through that particular church. What good is the position of Bishop without the anointing of God? However, God does use men to accomplish His purposes.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 20 2009,15:19) Hi 94,
Why look to men at all?
Hi Nick:God showed me that I would be ordained as Bishop over that church, and so, I am waiting for what He has shown me.
Quote (david @ Jan. 20 2009,11:47) Quote Hi David.
Yes, He did tell His disciples to do that (Matt.28:19-20), but notice they never did go “to the nations”.–CO
Really? So Jesus disciples only preached to fleshly Israel? And how did the world come to hear about Jesus?
Hi David.
The world came to know about Jesus when Israel rejected and Crucified their “Messiah”, and still rejected Him after His resurrection. God then turned to the “nations”: Acts 13:46-47 …46 Being bold, both Paul and Barnabas, say, “To you (Israel) first was it necessary that the word of God be spoken. Yet, since, in fact, you are thrusting it away, and are judging yourselves not worthy of eonian life, lo! we are turning to the nations.
47 For thus the Lord has directed us: I have appointed Thee for a light of the nations; for Thee to be for salvation as far as the limits of the earth.'”Paul was commissioned to the nations: Ro.15:16-17 …15 Yet more daringly do I write to you, in part, as prompting you, because of the grace being given to me from God,
16 for me to be the minister of Christ Jesus for the nations, acting as a priest of the evangel of God, that the approach present of the nations may be becoming well received, having been hallowed by holy spirit.Blessings, Jerry.
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