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Quote (david @ Jan. 13 2009,09:00) ROMANS 10:13-15
“For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.”* However, how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith? How, in turn, will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? HOW, IN TURN, WILL THEY HEAR, WITHOUT SOMEONE TO PREACH? How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: “How comely are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”” (*compare Joel 2:32)Apparently, we are to preach “good news of good things.”
Hi David:As a body of Christ the whole church has the commission to go into all of the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
However, not everyone is an Apostle, Evangelist, Prophet, Pastor or a teacher.
One must first be ordained by God to be in one of the above positions.
However, we as Christians can send someone who has been ordained by God to go and preach the gospel. Just as those in the Acts of the Apostles sold some of their properties to send the Apostles. And we all can live our lives as an example so that people can see the love of God manifest through the lives that we live.
Quote Jer 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. The key is:
Quote in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? The KJV reads this way:
Quote Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? Hi 942767.
Please give scripture showing “the body of Christ, the church, was commissioned to go to the whole world and preach the gospel”. Jesus gave this command to Israel (matt. 28), had they accepted their “Messiah”. This will yet be done in the future. (Heb.8)Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 13 2009,14:06) Hi 942767.
Please give scripture showing “the body of Christ, the church, was commissioned to go to the whole world and preach the gospel”. Jesus gave this command to Israel (matt. 28), had they accepted their “Messiah”. This will yet be done in the future. (Heb.8)
Hi CO:I really don't get your purpose on this website. Of course, everyone is welcome, but just what are you trying to convey? Do you believe that all Christians are wrong in stating that our commission as the body of Christ is to “go into all of the world and preach the gospel (good news) to every creature, and you are right in saying that the commission was not given by Jesus? Stop and think what you are saying. It just does not make sense.
I have you the scriptures that show that our commission as the body of Christ is to go into all of the world and preach the gospel already, but I will try one more time, and after that there is no more than I can do for you.
As I discussed with you before, Jesus ministry was limited in scope primarily to the nation of Israel because he was just one individual, and so, he ordained disciples who would receive the same Holy Spirit that he had dwelling within him in through them the ministry would be expanded to the whole world. The scriptures state:
Quote Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. AmenHe said: GO YE THEREFORE AND TEACH ALL NATIONS (not just the nation of Israel) and in verse 20 he states: TEACHING THEM(all nations) TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU.
And here the Apostle Peter preaching to the first gentile converts says:
Quote Act 10:42 AND HE COMMANDED US TO PREACH UNTO THE PEOPLE, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God [to be] the Judge of quick and dead. Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
And here:
Quote Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Quote Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, [even] Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love
I hope this will help you to understand.
My desire is God's very best for you and your family.
Marty
Nick……….You never stop amazing me, who give you any right as to say what anyone is rejecting. We can say the same thing about you, you yours self and your so called (WE'S) have rejected the Gospel for your own convictions as i have seen here many times. When scriptures are posted you completely reject or twist them for your own personnel teachings. In my opinion you have shown yourself as a phony bigot. We come here to discuss scripture with each other, not to be insulted by your stupid remarks like were rejecting the Kingdom or Christ because we don't agree with you. Who gave you the authority to make such call or brothers and sisters. Please inform us so we can know where you derive you power to condensed on others as you do. WE are told not to Judge one another, Judging what someone is saying is one thing, but going beyond that is crossing the line to personal Judgments of a person themselves and that is reserver for GOD and Jesus, not some one like you. Keep you personal judgement on yourself. Get the beam out of your own eye first and you might see clear enough to (HELP) get the mote out of you brothers eye.
love and peace………………………….gene
GB.,
We are here to discuss doctrines presented so it is unfortunate when they are found to be at fault and folk esteeem theirs and get personally hurt, but unless we correct our ideas and teachings we may find ourselves in rather bigger problems when the Lord returns.942767………you say Jesus said to his disciples to go into all the world and teach all nations , and it does say that , but then we have a contradiction in scripture unless you realize the Israelites had be scattered into all nation as scripture say they were. He also told them (NOT) to go the way into Sumeria (a gentile nation) but to go the Lost Sheep of the house of Israel, and thats were they were told to go, and Jesus said the this gospel wound not reach (ALL) the cities of Israel before the son of man comes. Another Point it seams that even the apostles realized their commission was to only Israel because they were completely surprised and even Peter resisted some , remember the event of Cornelius, God had to Show Him that He wanted the Kingdom preached to the gentiles after Jesus ascended. Question why didn't they all ready know that if what you say was there previous commission, Paul was raised up to carry the Gospel to the gentiles just as He said He was, He said He was (the) One apostle sent to the gentiles right. Jesus and the twelve were commissioned to Israel and Paul was commissioned to the gentiles as Paul said.
So let give Chosenone some credit for what he is saying please.
love and peace to you and yours………………………gene
Hi 942767.
You say that in Matt.28:19-20 …19 Going, then, disciple all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,
20 teaching them to be keeping all, whatever I direct you. And lo! I am with you all the days till the conclusion of the eon! Amen!”You say that this is the commission to “the body of Christ”, the ecclesia (church), to preach the message to the world. Then you say: “Jesus ministry was limited in scope primarily to the nation of Israel because he was just one individual”. This statement is in error, Jesus plainly said in Matt.15:24 … Now He, answering, said, “I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Nowhere in scripture does it say His commission was “primerily” to Israel. And also in Ro.15:8 …For I (Paul) am saying that Christ has become the Servant of the Circumcision, for the sake of the truth of God, to confirm the patriarchal promises.
Scripture plainly says that Jesus teachings was for Israel, and them only. Nowhere does it say that His teachings were to anyone else.
See also in Eph.2:11-12 …11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations in flesh — who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands —
12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.
This epistle of Pauls, to the Nations, says plainly that “in that era” (when Christ was teaching the Jews) we were “without God in the world”. So how could He have been teaching us, the nations, when we were “without God in the world?”So, back to the statement that “the ecclesia” (Christian church) was to go out in the world (Matt.28:19-20)… is totally in error. The explanation being that: “If they (Israel) had accepted their Messiah,which they didn't, then they would have entered the “kingdom” with Christ as their “King”, then they (the Jews) would be the ones to go out in the world etc. and fulfill this commissiom. And this will yet be fulfilled when Christ returns and make the “new covenant with Israel. (See Heb.8:10 “For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days,” the Lord is saying: “Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people). This promise was prophesied also in Jer.31:31.
I hope this explains to you what this commission is about.
Blessings, Jerry.
Quote Jesus plainly said in Matt.15:24 … Now He, answering, said, “I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Yes, CO, that's where Jesus was “commissioned” or sent. But where did he send his followers?
MATTHEW 28:19-20
“Go therefore and make disciples of people OF ALL THE NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.””ACTS 1:8
“but YOU will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon YOU, and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de′a and Sa·mar′i·a and to the most distant part of the earth.””ROMANS 10:18
“Nevertheless I ask, They did not fail to hear, did they? Why, in fact, “into all the earth their sound went out, and to the extremities of the inhabited earth their utterances.””ROMANS 11:13
“Now I speak to YOU who are people of the nations. Forasmuch as I am, in reality, an apostle to the nations, I glorify my ministry,”Quote Please give scripture showing “the body of Christ, the church, was commissioned to go to the whole world and preach the gospel”. Jesus gave this command to Israel (matt. 28), had they accepted their “Messiah”. This will yet be done in the future. (Heb.8) Chosenone, could you please explain why you don't think Jesus was speaking to his disciples and that it was to them he was directing Matthew 28:19,20?
David……….The issue here is where were Jesus and His 12 apostles commissioned to go and CO is right it was to the circumcision not the gentiles, thats obvious because Peter had to be specifically told by GOD to accept the gentiles. There commission did not include the gentiles, or why did God raise up another Apostle to do it, Paul, He would not have been needed if that were the case. And it was Paul talking about the ministry of Moses and the Israelites, your transforming his statements about Israel to what the apostles did, The sound Of GOD deliverance of Israel went out into all the world, is what Paul was talking about here. Go back and get the context of who and what Paul was talking about. You can make scriptures say almost what ever you want by taking them out of context David. IMO
love and peace to you and yours………………..gene
GB,
God has not saved all.
He has made it possible though.
But that puny will of man has to respond.All must repent[acts17]
Hi David.
Yes, He did tell His disciples to do that (Matt.28:19-20), but notice they never did go “to the nations”. His (Jesus) message was to Israel, and them only. He was their prophesied “Messiah”. They (Israel) rejected Him, and crucified Him, this rejecting Him (Jesus), has nulified their entrance into the “kingdom”, with Christ as their “king”. (That is why His deciples never did go into the nations). This will yet take place in the fututre, when God will make a “new covenant” with them. See Heb.8:10 which was fortold also in Jer.31:31 (notice the similarities). This is my understanding of this scriptureBlessings, Jerry.
CO,
His mission was to go to the lost folk of Israel.
Then you state his message was only for them too.On whose authority do you add this statement?
Hi,
There is only one gospel.
That is why it is called THE gospelActs 8:25
When they had testified and proclaimed the word of the Lord, Peter and John returned to Jerusalem, preaching the gospel in many Samaritan villages.Acts 8:40
Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.Acts 15:7
After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.Acts 16:10
After Paul had seen the vision, we got ready at once to leave for Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them.Grace and peace came through Jesus Christ.
So it is the gospel of grace and the gospel of peace
Acts 20:24
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace.Ephesians 6:15
and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace.Hi ,
Peter preaching to the gentiles.Acts 10:36
You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, telling the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.Nick……….Peter had to be shown that thats what GOD wanted , as in the case of Cornelius , before Peter got the picture WHY? because Jesus commissioned them to go the the lost sheep of the house of Israel, not the Gentiles and even telling them (Not) to go the way of Samara, but go ye unto the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. Why would He have said that unto them if they were commissioned to the Gentiles also.
love and peace……………………..gene
NIck……….God did. not Jesus, Jesus sent the 12 to the lost sheep of the house of Israel , that was there commission , Paul was sent to the gentiles . Is the way i understand it, With the exception of Carnelius , God wanted the disciples to Know He was extending salvation the the Gentiles also, but there commission from Jesus was to not go the way of the gentiles or Samaria but unto the lost Sheep of the house of Israel. IMO
love and peace…………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 19 2009,14:08) 942767………you say Jesus said to his disciples to go into all the world and teach all nations , and it does say that , but then we have a contradiction in scripture unless you realize the Israelites had be scattered into all nation as scripture say they were. He also told them (NOT) to go the way into Sumeria (a gentile nation) but to go the Lost Sheep of the house of Israel, and thats were they were told to go, and Jesus said the this gospel wound not reach (ALL) the cities of Israel before the son of man comes. Another Point it seams that even the apostles realized their commission was to only Israel because they were completely surprised and even Peter resisted some , remember the event of Cornelius, God had to Show Him that He wanted the Kingdom preached to the gentiles after Jesus ascended. Question why didn't they all ready know that if what you say was there previous commission, Paul was raised up to carry the Gospel to the gentiles just as He said He was, He said He was (the) One apostle sent to the gentiles right. Jesus and the twelve were commissioned to Israel and Paul was commissioned to the gentiles as Paul said. So let give Chosenone some credit for what he is saying please.
love and peace to you and yours………………………gene
Hi Gene:Is it the commission of the church to preach the gospel to every creature that will hear or not?
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