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@Gene,
Jesus said……that “ALL”LAW, and the prophets were hinged on these “TWO THINGS”, “love” for God, and “love”for man . SO, Paul was right it seems when he said, “LOVE” FULFILLS “ALL”. the law. That totally agrees with Jesus the Messiah of God.
Except Paul didn’t say that; what he said (from Gal 5:14) “For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” No where did Paul say “LOVE” FULFILLS “ALL”, you made that up! Paul explicitly states there is ONE command and it’s to love your neighbor as yourself, with zero mention of G-d and the Jesus said there are two; the first being to LOVE G-D. At the beginning of the chapter Paul says the “law” entangles and is a burden; what a word salad of double speak. No wonder people are confused by his writings.
Lev 19:32 “You shall stand up before the gray head and honor the face of an old man” is a command given by G-d; do you reject this one? If not, why not; according to Paul you must. He teaches the “law” brings knowledge of sin(Rom 3:20), the law is a curse(Gal 3:13), the law entangles and is a yoke/burden(Gal 5:1), and we are no longer under the it(Romans 6:14). This command isn’t one of the “10 Commandments”, now what?
What’s hilarious is how christianity rejects the commands given to Moses and claims they aren’t under them anymore, BUT, if christians would read them they would be stunned at how many they actually follow and/or agree with. Christians have been taught for so long G-d’s commands are obsolete, they don’t realize G-d’s commands are built into them and is why they know the difference between good and evil (remember the tree Adam and Eve ate from). By the way, G-d’s commands aren’t limited to “ten” (with only nine christians follow – that sabbath day thing).
Paul is an enemy and false teacher of G-d. You even say “just like Peter said, some of his writings were hard to understand”, which means Paul intentionally spoke in a confusing manner and therefore CANNOT be a messenger of G-d’s. G-d spoke clearly so all would understand; Paul speaks with confusion and is why there are many different interpretations of what he says. Paul’s teaching are a reason why few religions agree with each other. Can you explain how your faith/belief system is the right one and has ALL the correct understandings of Paul? What makes your faith so special?
DT you said, “Can you explain how your faith/belief system is the right one and has ALL the correct understandings of Paul? What makes your faith so special?”
The difference between my Faith and yours is, I understand what Jesus and the apostle Paul said and meant, and you are as Peter said, in,
2 Peter 3:15-16…….”AND account that the long-suffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our “beloved brother” Paul also according to the “WISDOM” given unto him, has written unto you. As also in “All” his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are “UNLEARNED” AND “UNSTABLE” wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own “DESTRUCTION”.
DT, you are going the way of Cain and run greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and will certainly parish in the gainsaying of Core, unless you repent. IMO
peace and love to you and yours DT………gene
More good news= No more fear, hate, cheating on a mate, stealing, lying, greed, idolatry, the motive of every mortal will be out of love not for profit.
@Gene,
DT you said, “Can you explain how your faith/belief system is the right one and has ALL the correct understandings of Paul? What makes your faith so special?”
The difference between my Faith and yours is, I understand what Jesus and the apostle Paul said and meant,
To single me out was not what was asked as I prefaced the question with few religions agree with each other on Paul’s writings. For me, I completely reject what he writes as he’s an impostor. Again, how is your belief the better or correct one for understanding the writings of Paul when compared to other religions? After all, you argue with Proclaimer, Carmel, Berean, and others who have come and gone, claiming what you believe is more right than what they believe is truth.
Support what you believe; don’t say what you know, say how you know it by backing up your belief with scripture. I gave you four passages where Paul speaks against G-d’s commands and included a command to honor the elderly and your response was silence. I provided the passage where Paul flat out contradicts what the Jesus taught concerning the “law” and you give no response. You even admit, thru Peter, Paul teaches in a difficult manner; if G-d was speaking thru Paul it wouldn’t be difficult to understand as G-d speaks in a clear, easily understandable manner that eliminates all confusion.
I can safely say you still haven’t verified any passages Paul “quotes” from the Tanakh since you continue to defend him. In the following Paul take two quotes from the Tanakh and incorporates them into his statement:
Gal 3:6 Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.
it was reckoned to him as righteousness is quoted from Gen 15:6
All the nations will be blessed in you is quoted from Gen 12:3
Look up these passages in the Tanakh and explain how or if Paul is using them in their original context. I wait with baited breath…
DT……I quoted you the scriptures that show “how I know it”. But you reject those scriptures, so there is no way you will agree with anything I or anyone else shows you from the scriptures. You are your own “religion”. accepting your own self drawn conclusions. When you reject the very scriptures we present to you every time we present them.
Well we will see how that all come out , won’t we?.
peace and love to you and yours DT………..gene
Gene, a typical response of someone who hasn’t a clue why they believe what they believe…the response of avoidance and then accusing me of the very acts you commit (will you ever directly answer my questions??).
You accuse me of having my “own religion”, yet I have told you the path I would most closely identify is the oldest faith on the planet…Noahide (still learning, but know it’s G-d centered unlike Paul centric christianity). You on the other hand refuse to say what faith you most closely identify (because you do identify with something, quit lying to yourself); what are you afraid of, someone looking into it? To say you don’t identify with a particular faith, would by your accusations mean you’ve created your own religion. Look into Noahide, the faith of Noah, Job, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, et al before G-d spoke to the nation of Israel at Mt. Sinai.
you reject the very scriptures we present to you every time we present them
I can’t reject something you haven’t presented first. Rarely do you reference scripture and when you do, I ask follow up questions that YOU refuse to answer; explain further what you believe. What you’re doing is parroting what you have been told is truth.
You will notice the only thing you addressed from my last post is really a none issue, it was a simple statement to support what you believe with scripture and didn’t need a defensive response. Why did you ignore the rest of it?
Still waiting for a response to respecting the elderly; it’s one of the commands given by G-d thru Moses. This is a positive command and would say it’s a sin to not follow this one, verses when Paul says the “law” was to point out sin. What say you, is respecting the elderly a sin or not using Paul’s “teachings”?
Once again I have proved to you with your NT scripture Paul is a fraud and you don’t have any idea what to do as he speaks against what the Jesus taught and is against G-d. Paul is an impostor…prove me wrong!
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I didn’t expect you to look up, confirm, and give your thoughts on the Galatians passage. What are you afraid of, change? There is freedom in G-d you will never know, until you do.
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