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Berean, I keep asking if you have actually read any of the 613 commands G-d gave to the nation of Israel. When will you look them up and read them? They aren’t what you have been told they are. You can keep saying “moral law”, but that phrase is nowhere in either the Tanakh or your NT. There is no such thing as a “moral law”, only G-d’s commands (what christianity says are “laws”). Paul claims they are to “point out sin.” Take Lev 19:32 “You shall stand up before the gray head and honor the face of an old man, and you shall fear your God: I am the Lord.” If you follow Paul, showing honor to the elderly is a sin. Should I disrespect the older in our society and treat them like dirt? Do you still NOT get it?!?!
Click HERE and read G-d’s commands and explain how or why they shouldn’t be followed anymore or how they are burdensome and a curse. Paul lies and hates G-d!!
Many are told they serve God, but in reality FEW know him. Jesus warned about that-John 15:20-21
Deut 30:19 means what it says.
Here is a command from God through his son, Few on Earth do even though its super important= Matt 6:33= Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
Why don’t most do this= Because the blind guides in the false religions that do not listen to Jesus teach to seek Jesus’ righteousness first.
Here is a command from God through his son, Few on Earth do even though its super important= Matt 6:33= Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
Why don’t most do this= Because the blind guides in the false religions that do not listen to Jesus teach to seek Jesus’ righteousness first.
Of course Deut 30:19 means what it says, but do you know what it says? To say it speaks of G-d making an oath is false; Moses is speaking to the Israelite nation. Then to say it references an eternal death/second death is taking out of context what Moses spoke.
Matt 6:33= Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
When did G-d say to seek HIS kingdom and HIS righteousness to have the basic necessities of life (the stuff those gentiles seek after)? Please cite the passage from the Tanakh. I didn’t read in the Matthew passaget anything about “spirituality.” Are you adding to the “word of G-d”? G-d does say was to follow and obey HIS commands.
Why don’t most do this= Because the blind guides in the false religions that do not listen to Jesus teach to seek Jesus’ righteousness first.
This made me smile a little, as you claim others are following false religions; are you even paying attention to your own words and the religion you follow? Explain how your faith, belief, and religion is more superior to all the others. And how you are doing it differently than all those who are following those “blind guides.” What is your “guide” saying that others aren’t?
Have you started verifying the passages Paul quotes (butchers) from the Tanakh? You need to!
Moses cannot promise life to any, only God can.
Jesus appointed Paul . God used Paul to write bible books( letters)–
The 1 true religion= a worldwide brotherhood, unified at all times in love, peace and unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth)-no division( 1 Cor 1:10)- They serve the God Israel served= YHVH(Jehovah) and accept Jesus as the Messiah.
Keith you said, ” They serve the GOD Israel served=YHVH (Jehovah) and accept Jesus as the Messiah.”
That is absolutely the “TRUTH”.
Peace and love to you and yours Keith………gene
Keith, where did you come up with Moses “promising life”? He simply said life and prosperity comes from following the commands of G-d…period! There was no “promise” or “oath” made in his statement; what he spoke was fact, follow G-d and live a long and prosperous life. What does the “life” Moses speaks of mean to you? Explain how you understand the Deut 30:11-20 passage.
You claim “Jesus appointed Paul”; why, because Paul told you the Jesus did? The same man who has to say “I do not lie” four times in his letters. It make me skeptical when someone makes that statement, and Paul doesn’t disappoint with his deceptive tongue.
“God used Paul to write bible books( letters)” This is beyond laughable!!! Please find me ONE example where Paul claims the words he speaks are directly from G-d! Paul refers to what he speaks as “his gospel”, speaks of “mysteries” having only been revealed to him – no one else, just him…how do you trust him as the only witness to these “mysteries”?
1 true religion= a worldwide brotherhood, unified at all times in love, peace and unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth)-no division
More wishful thinking and dream filled thought! You obviously haven’t been here long enough to read the responses of those who disagree with a particular belief or paid any attention to what happens between different church faiths in general. There is NOTHING unified among any of them; those who believe in the trinity are at odds with those who don’t, you will receive zero agree talking about the “end times” and what’s going to happen, ask if angels have freewill or not, etc. Unity, I think not! Even the Jesus said “Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.” And it is working well!
They serve the God Israel served= YHVH(Jehovah) and accept Jesus as the Messiah.
Who serves the G-d of Israel and how does one serve HIM? I rejected the Jesus as the Messiah and one reason is the verse above where the Jesus admits he didn’t come to bring peace to the earth and the true Messiah will bring peace.
Verse 19–I do take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today, that i have put LIFE and DEATH before you, the blessing and malediction, and you must choose life in order that you may keep alive, you and your offspring.
The first sentence is an oath.
Jesus appointed Paul–Paul went through hell standing up preaching about Jesus and Gods kingdom. He went all the way to death standing up for Jesus and Jehovah. He was righteous after he turned from being Saul. God wrote the words through him via holy spirit guidance.
You’re not explaining how the first sentence of deut 30:19 is an oath; please explain.
Again, please find me ONE example where Paul claims the words he speaks are directly from G-d!
You didn’t speak on how the church is “unified.”
You didn’t say how you or anyone “serves the G-d of Israel”; to serve G-d, one must do as HE commanded and as a christian you reject the commands of G-d because Paul told you to. The Jesus even stated all the “law” could be summed up to two commands…love G-d and love others. What did Paul say, “For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Gal 5:14) Interestingly Paul left G-d out of the picture, did the “spirit” have a sudden lapse in memory of who it was/is? If Paul is “spirit inspired”, why aren’t the churches unified in their understanding of his “writings” since it came from the “spirit”?
Did you click the link provided to the list of the 613 commands given by G-d to Moses? Paul says they point out sin and without the law he wouldn’t have know what sin was. The Leviticus passage I gave you about honoring the elderly sounds like what we all should be doing; yet the beloved Paul calls it a sin. Personally, I think it’s a sin to NOT honor and respect the elderly. Can you explain why Paul would call honor the elderly a sin?
I bet you still haven’t compared the passages Paul quotes from the Tanakh to what is actually written.
Also, no comment on the Jesus saying he wasn’t bringing peace to the world as the true Messiah will do.
@DT
YOU
If you follow Paul, showing honor to the elderly is a sin. Should I disrespect the older in our society and treat them like dirt? Do you still NOT get it?!?!
Me
Where did you read that Paul said that?
I have never read that from Paul….@DT
YOU
If you follow Paul, showing honor to the elderly is a sin. Should I disrespect the older in our society and treat them like dirt? Do you still NOT get it?!?!
Me
Where did you read that Paul said that?
I have never read that from Paul.…
Please read the following words from Paul lips:
Rom 3:20 “Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” So knowing to honor the elderly brings the knowledge of sin.
Romans 6:14 “For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.” Not under the law, so honoring the elderly is no longer required.
Gal 3:13 “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree” Since the Jesus took away the “curse of the law” we no longer have to follow it and if we honor our elderly the Jesus never took that curse away.
Gal 5:1 “Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.” What is this “yoke of bondage”; the law given to Moses. So honoring the elderly entangles us and puts us into bondage.
Paul teaches the “law” brings knowledge of sin, the law is a curse, the law entangles and is a yoke/burden, and we are no longer under the it; and the Jesus said, Therefore whoever abolishes one of the least of these commandments and teaches people to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever keeps them and teaches them, this person will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Paul teaches against the words of the Jesus. How are you NOT seeing this; and how can you still accept the words of Paul?!?!
Paul’s own words convict him as a fraud and an enemy of G-d. I would highly recommend looking up what the “law” actually is and what it says, because it’s NOT what you have been taught and told it is as the example shows of honoring the elderly. Once again click to read the 613 commands.
DT……Jesus said the “greatest commandment was to “LOVE” THE LORD, OUR GOD WITH ” ALL” OF OUR MIND, “ALL” OF OUR STRENGTH, “ALL” OF OUR SOUL, and he “Demonstrated” That “LOVE”, by loving God the father, even more the his own life, and proved it, by offering up his very own life unto death, in obedience to the “Will ” , of the Father.
Paul and the other despises did that also, they also gave up their lives in service to GOD the Father and Jesus the Christ of GOD.
Only an “IDIOT” can’t see that CLEARLY, written in our scriptures . You continually “strain out the gnats and swallow camel’s”, as the saying goes . The scripture that applies to you most, is this one, “while professing themselves to be wise, they became fools”> IMO
Peace and love to you and yours………gene
@Gene,
Jesus said the “greatest commandment was to “LOVE” THE LORD, OUR GOD WITH ” ALL” OF OUR MIND, “ALL” OF OUR STRENGTH, “ALL” OF OUR SOUL
And Paul says, “For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Gal 5:14). Interestingly Paul left G-d out of the picture. This is flat out against what the Jesus taught as Paul says “the whole law.” You still believe the Jesus “appointed” Paul an apostle when he doesn’t teach what the Jesus taught?
In none of your responses since I left christianity have you proved me wrong. You have yet to provide a single passage that corrects my supposed “wrong” thinking. When you “provide” a passage to refute me, you are unable to respond to follow up questions for clarity…you run away. You make drive by comments and get nasty in your responses (“idiot”- really!!, not the first time with me or others). Are you that insecure in what you believe you can’t handle an apposing view? Then you have the audacity to continue to end your hate with “peace and love”; there is nothing peaceful or loving in your rhetoric. There is NOTHING “christlike” in your words, when you lower yourself to childish antics. When people get defensive like this, it shows how small they are. You’re not tiny are you?
I keep saying to verify what Paul quotes from the Tanakh and my guess, fear prevents you from doing so; being lost without the false teachings of Paul seems to scares you. Run from Paul and into the arms of G-d; HE’S waiting.
Paul and the other despises did that also, they also gave up their lives in service to GOD the Father and Jesus the Christ of GOD.
Please provide the passages and accounts that state which disciple/apostles were martyred or are you relying on man’s traditions? There are a handful of disciples recorded in Acts who were martyred and Paul wasn’t included in any account; it’s “tradition” that tells us Paul was beheaded, no Biblical record.
“while professing themselves to be wise, they became fools”
Before you imply me to be a “fool”, back up with the Tanakh what I’ve been writing is wrong! I have shown you how the NT doesn’t align with the Tanakh, given you evidence, and you reject it…and I’m the “fool.”
DT……, “love is the fulfillment of the law” it is the “underlining principle” of all the law given to us by God the Father himself. Only a “idiot” can’t see that, IMO.
I suppose you don’t believe the account of Jesus’s death also, or Stevens, or the way Jesus said Peter was to die either, just face it, you are writing your own belief system and it certainly does not match the old or New Testament as we have seen in you posts.
You simply a “bait and switch” preacher, trying to convince people of you own form of “religion” garbage, we will see how that works out for you in the end.
peace and love to you and yours DT…….gene
DT……, “love is the fulfillment of the law” it is the “underlining principle” of all the law given to us by God the Father himself. Only a “idiot” can’t see that, IMO.
I suppose you don’t believe the account of Jesus’s death also, or Stevens, or the way Jesus said Peter was to die either, just face it, you are writing your own belief system and it certainly does not match the old or New Testament as we have seen in you posts.
You simply a “bait and switch” preacher, trying to convince people of you own form of “religion” garbage, we will see how that works out for you in the end.
peace and love to you and yours DT…….ge
DT……, “love is the fulfillment of the law” it is the “underlining principle” of all the law given to us by God the Father himself. Only a “idiot” can’t see that, IMO.
I suppose you don’t believe the account of Jesus’s death also, or Stevens, or the way Jesus said Peter was to die either, just face it, you are writing your own belief system and it certainly does not match the old or New Testament as we have seen in you posts.
You simply a “bait and switch” preacher, trying to convince people of you own form of “religion” garbage, we will see how that works out for you in the end.
peace and love to you and yours DT…….ge
Come on Gene, support what you believe is truth!
Explain how Paul teaches what the Jesus taught, I gave you an example of the commands given by G-d; the Jesus says they are summed up in two commands and Paul says one. This is no “bait and switch”; it’s written fact. If there is a single teaching of Jesus that Paul twists, can he be a true apostle of Jesus? Could Paul have been commission by the Jesus to be his representative to the gentiles?
Now explain this written twist! Take a stand for what you believe in!
While you’re at it, is respecting the elderly a sin or not? After all, it’s a command given by G-d thru Moses and is part of the Mosaic Law that Paul says we’re no longer under. Shall I start throwing disrespect your way as you do to me?
DT……. Jesus said……that “ALL”LAW, and the prophets were hinged on these “TWO THINGS”, “love” for God, and “love”for man . SO, Paul was right it seems when he said, “LOVE” FULFILLS “ALL”. the law. That totally agrees with Jesus the Messiah of God.
When PAUL said we were not under the “works” of the law , he was not referencing the Ten Commandments he was referencing how law Works, in life (through the process of “forced obedience” , which can never make anyone right in their hearts, it takes the “love” of God shed abroad in our hearts to make us right in our hearts, and that is how a true converted person becomes right with God, something a “LAW” any law, COULD NEVER DO, as witnessed and proven by the Israelites in the Old Testament. None of them were ever made right by the way “lAW” WORKS.
Again the apostle Paul was 100% right. I understand you’re in ability to understand Paul, just like Peter said, some of his writings were hard to understand, and some twist them up to their own destruction. As it appears you are doing. IMO
peace and love to you and yours DT……..gene
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