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  • #354474
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    Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2013,17:30)

    Quote (Colter @ May 10 2013,02:32)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,03:04)
    Colter.

    Your doctrine does not hold any water.
    You deny the sacrifice on the cross;but scripture says otherwise.

    Revelation 1:16   And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a **sharp twoedged sword**: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

     Revelation 1:17   And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; **I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST**:

     Revelation 1:18   **I AM HE THAT LIVETH**, **AND WAS DEAD**; and, behold, **I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE**, Amen; and have the *keys of hell and of death*.

    rev.22:13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE BEGINNING AND THE END,THE *FIRSTAND THE LAST*.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup<

    I don't have a doctrine, doctrine formation petrifies God into a mere formula instead of a life.

    Everything you say proves that you would have rejected Jesus using the same fear based theology. You are a slave to tradition and the false authority of institutional religion.

    You deny the original Gospel of Jesus, his revelation of a changeless, loving and forgiving Father as well as the sonship of man.

    You live in the bondage of fear, lacking common sense and perception of spiritual truth, in other words, you just blindly think and do what you are told rather then having a personal sincere, genuine, relationship with the God revealed in the life of Christ.

    You lack the courage to consider or acknowledge that Jesus himself never did teach that his death was a sacrifice as a condition for forgiveness.

    You do not have the balls to go and research for yourself the fact that Pagan Rome ALREADY had atonement theology in their Pagan, Mystery religions while Jesus did not. The religion OF Jesus had forgiveness and salvation by living faith, not blood sacrifice, be it animal or human.

    The problems of the Roman Catholic Church (evolved Christianity) go all the way back to the very first day after Jesus ascended into heaven when Peter began to preach a new and slightly different gospel; a religion ABOUT Jesus as the risen Christ rather then the old gospel of the “kingdom of heaven.” Paul took that and ran with it, making further compromises with the Pagan's.

    Colter


    Colter.

    You are forgetting satan the great deceiver; he always copies; and so he has done with the whole concept of Gods sacrifice,from the beginning.

    And most are deceived by that; thinking it is God that is copying the old babylonian religion.
    In fact it is satan at work;distorting and deceiving the world.

    And you have been taken.

    wakeup.


    Satan taught Atheism, he never taught faith in God, he dosn't exist anymore, but in your fear based, primitaive theology, you can be convinced that God is evil. It looks like you are the fool?

    The inconsistent teachings that have bound you into fear have no effect on me.

    Colter

    #354475
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ May 14 2013,04:19)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2013,17:30)

    Quote (Colter @ May 10 2013,02:32)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,03:04)
    Colter.

    Your doctrine does not hold any water.
    You deny the sacrifice on the cross;but scripture says otherwise.

    Revelation 1:16   And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a **sharp twoedged sword**: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

     Revelation 1:17   And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; **I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST**:

     Revelation 1:18   **I AM HE THAT LIVETH**, **AND WAS DEAD**; and, behold, **I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE**, Amen; and have the *keys of hell and of death*.

    rev.22:13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE BEGINNING AND THE END,THE *FIRSTAND THE LAST*.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup<

    I don't have a doctrine, doctrine formation petrifies God into a mere formula instead of a life.

    Everything you say proves that you would have rejected Jesus using the same fear based theology. You are a slave to tradition and the false authority of institutional religion.

    You deny the original Gospel of Jesus, his revelation of a changeless, loving and forgiving Father as well as the sonship of man.

    You live in the bondage of fear, lacking common sense and perception of spiritual truth, in other words, you just blindly think and do what you are told rather then having a personal sincere, genuine, relationship with the God revealed in the life of Christ.

    You lack the courage to consider or acknowledge that Jesus himself never did teach that his death was a sacrifice as a condition for forgiveness.

    You do not have the balls to go and research for yourself the fact that Pagan Rome ALREADY had atonement theology in their Pagan, Mystery religions while Jesus did not. The religion OF Jesus had forgiveness and salvation by living faith, not blood sacrifice, be it animal or human.

    The problems of the Roman Catholic Church (evolved Christianity) go all the way back to the very first day after Jesus ascended into heaven when Peter began to preach a new and slightly different gospel; a religion ABOUT Jesus as the risen Christ rather then the old gospel of the “kingdom of heaven.” Paul took that and ran with it, making further compromises with the Pagan's.

    Colter


    Colter.

    You are forgetting satan the great deceiver; he always copies; and so he has done with the whole concept of Gods sacrifice,from the beginning.

    And most are deceived by that; thinking it is God that is copying the old babylonian religion.
    In fact it is satan at work;distorting and deceiving the world.

    And you have been taken.

    wakeup.


    Satan taught Atheism, he never taught faith in God, he dosn't exist anymore, but in your fear based, primitaive theology, you can be convinced that God is evil. It looks like you are the fool?

    The inconsistent teachings that have bound you into fear have no effect on me.

    Colter


    Colter.

    No spinning please;I never said that God is evil.
    But God can create good and evil.
    He kills and make alive.
    He breaks down and rebuild.
    He created the light, and he also created the darkness.

    If we can do good and evil;why are you saying that God can not do evil,but only Good?
    Are we higher than God?

    wakeup.

    #354476
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    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 14 2013,10:08)

    Quote (Colter @ May 14 2013,04:19)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2013,17:30)

    Quote (Colter @ May 10 2013,02:32)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,03:04)
    Colter.

    Your doctrine does not hold any water.
    You deny the sacrifice on the cross;but scripture says otherwise.

    Revelation 1:16   And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a **sharp twoedged sword**: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

     Revelation 1:17   And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; **I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST**:

     Revelation 1:18   **I AM HE THAT LIVETH**, **AND WAS DEAD**; and, behold, **I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE**, Amen; and have the *keys of hell and of death*.

    rev.22:13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE BEGINNING AND THE END,THE *FIRSTAND THE LAST*.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup<

    I don't have a doctrine, doctrine formation petrifies God into a mere formula instead of a life.

    Everything you say proves that you would have rejected Jesus using the same fear based theology. You are a slave to tradition and the false authority of institutional religion.

    You deny the original Gospel of Jesus, his revelation of a changeless, loving and forgiving Father as well as the sonship of man.

    You live in the bondage of fear, lacking common sense and perception of spiritual truth, in other words, you just blindly think and do what you are told rather then having a personal sincere, genuine, relationship with the God revealed in the life of Christ.

    You lack the courage to consider or acknowledge that Jesus himself never did teach that his death was a sacrifice as a condition for forgiveness.

    You do not have the balls to go and research for yourself the fact that Pagan Rome ALREADY had atonement theology in their Pagan, Mystery religions while Jesus did not. The religion OF Jesus had forgiveness and salvation by living faith, not blood sacrifice, be it animal or human.

    The problems of the Roman Catholic Church (evolved Christianity) go all the way back to the very first day after Jesus ascended into heaven when Peter began to preach a new and slightly different gospel; a religion ABOUT Jesus as the risen Christ rather then the old gospel of the “kingdom of heaven.” Paul took that and ran with it, making further compromises with the Pagan's.

    Colter


    Colter.

    You are forgetting satan the great deceiver; he always copies; and so he has done with the whole concept of Gods sacrifice,from the beginning.

    And most are deceived by that; thinking it is God that is copying the old babylonian religion.
    In fact it is satan at work;distorting and deceiving the world.

    And you have been taken.

    wakeup.


    Satan taught Atheism, he never taught faith in God, he dosn't exist anymore, but in your fear based, primitaive theology, you can be convinced that God is evil. It looks like you are the fool?

    The inconsistent teachings that have bound you into fear have no effect on me.

    Colter


    Colter.

    No spinning please;I never said that God is evil.
    But God can create good and evil.
    He kills and make alive.
    He breaks down and rebuild.
    He created the light, and he also created the darkness.

    If we can do good and evil;why are you saying that God can not do evil,but only Good?
    Are we higher than God?

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    You painted yourself into a corner of double speak, a house divided, an inconsistent theology, blaspheming God as having two wills so don't blame me if I reflect that error back to you.

    You accuse God of doing evil works upon his trusting children.

    Colter

    #354477
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ May 14 2013,12:22)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 14 2013,10:08)

    Quote (Colter @ May 14 2013,04:19)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2013,17:30)

    Quote (Colter @ May 10 2013,02:32)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,03:04)
    Colter.

    Your doctrine does not hold any water.
    You deny the sacrifice on the cross;but scripture says otherwise.

    Revelation 1:16   And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a **sharp twoedged sword**: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

     Revelation 1:17   And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; **I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST**:

     Revelation 1:18   **I AM HE THAT LIVETH**, **AND WAS DEAD**; and, behold, **I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE**, Amen; and have the *keys of hell and of death*.

    rev.22:13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE BEGINNING AND THE END,THE *FIRSTAND THE LAST*.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup<

    I don't have a doctrine, doctrine formation petrifies God into a mere formula instead of a life.

    Everything you say proves that you would have rejected Jesus using the same fear based theology. You are a slave to tradition and the false authority of institutional religion.

    You deny the original Gospel of Jesus, his revelation of a changeless, loving and forgiving Father as well as the sonship of man.

    You live in the bondage of fear, lacking common sense and perception of spiritual truth, in other words, you just blindly think and do what you are told rather then having a personal sincere, genuine, relationship with the God revealed in the life of Christ.

    You lack the courage to consider or acknowledge that Jesus himself never did teach that his death was a sacrifice as a condition for forgiveness.

    You do not have the balls to go and research for yourself the fact that Pagan Rome ALREADY had atonement theology in their Pagan, Mystery religions while Jesus did not. The religion OF Jesus had forgiveness and salvation by living faith, not blood sacrifice, be it animal or human.

    The problems of the Roman Catholic Church (evolved Christianity) go all the way back to the very first day after Jesus ascended into heaven when Peter began to preach a new and slightly different gospel; a religion ABOUT Jesus as the risen Christ rather then the old gospel of the “kingdom of heaven.” Paul took that and ran with it, making further compromises with the Pagan's.

    Colter


    Colter.

    You are forgetting satan the great deceiver; he always copies; and so he has done with the whole concept of Gods sacrifice,from the beginning.

    And most are deceived by that; thinking it is God that is copying the old babylonian religion.
    In fact it is satan at work;distorting and deceiving the world.

    And you have been taken.

    wakeup.


    Satan taught Atheism, he never taught faith in God, he dosn't exist anymore, but in your fear based, primitaive theology, you can be convinced that God is evil. It looks like you are the fool?

    The inconsistent teachings that have bound you into fear have no effect on me.

    Colter


    Colter.

    No spinning please;I never said that God is evil.
    But God can create good and evil.
    He kills and make alive.
    He breaks down and rebuild.
    He created the light, and he also created the darkness.

    If we can do good and evil;why are you saying that God can not do evil,but only Good?
    Are we higher than God?

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    You painted yourself into a corner of double speak, a house divided, an inconsistent theology, blaspheming God as having two wills so don't blame me if I reflect that error back to you.

    You accuse God of doing evil works upon his trusting children.

    Colter


    Colter.

    Isaiah 45:7. *I form the light*, and *create darkness*:
    *I make peace*, *and create evil*:
    I the Lord do all these things.

    *Not my own words colter*,but Gods own words.
    If you dont believe Gods words, then why say; you worship him? Is that not called hypocrisy?

    The fact that you can not comprehend that,is because you have not truly discovered your God. You only think you have.
    But you are not alone in this.

    wakeup.

    #354478
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote
    Colter.

    Isaiah 45:7. *I form the light*, and *create darkness*:
    *I make peace*, *and create evil*:
    I the Lord do all these things.

    *Not my own words colter*,but Gods own words.
    If you dont believe Gods words, then why say; you worship him? Is that not called hypocrisy?

    The fact that you can not comprehend that,is because you have not truly discovered your God. You only think you have.
    But you are not alone in this.

    If you really understood Isaiah then you would know that, because God is Good, that his will is perfect, and he created free will beings, then that meant the possibility of free will beings choosing evil. They have. That is the ONLY sense in which God can be said to create evil. That’s what Isaiah meant where you cherry picked his words to give your own confused understanding.

    God is good, God is Love

    Colter

    #354479
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ May 14 2013,22:43)

    Quote
    Colter.

    Isaiah 45:7. *I form the light*, and *create darkness*:
    *I make peace*, *and create evil*:
    I the Lord do all these things.

    *Not my own words colter*,but Gods own words.
    If you dont believe Gods words, then why say; you worship him? Is that not called hypocrisy?

    The fact that you can not comprehend that,is because you have not truly discovered your God. You only think you have.
    But you are not alone in this.

    If you really understood Isaiah then you would know that, because God is Good, that his will is perfect,  and he created free will beings, then that meant the possibility of free will beings choosing evil. They have. That is the ONLY sense in which God can be said to create evil. That’s what Isaiah meant where you cherry picked his words to give your own confused understanding.

    God is good, God is Love

    Colter


    Colter.

    We(christians) know that only God is good.
    But he also can create evil, and he did create evil for a purpose.
    The tree of knowledge of good and evil is put there by none but God.

    Good and evil was there already,so Adam could make a choice of his own will.
    Man must know what is good;and what is evil.
    Man has chosen evil,so now man has to live by what he has chosen; by his own will.

    Now God will show man what he has chosen; by his own will. Now man must know that he has chosen the wrong thing,and God is showing man what evil really is.

    Not just a part of evil,but the whole package.
    Today,evil has reached to the max,it is ripe;and therefore ready to be taken out of the way.

    Jesus came to show us what is good,and how to turn around and choose good. This is where the Holy bible comes in,for us to learn and seek God(good). Man has been given another choice.
    But it seems that man love things the way they are,living in opposition to God; (to good).

    Worshipping the desires of the flesh, rather than the desires of the spirit. Satan loves the desires of the flesh,and man also has that same spirit.Man needs to come out of that spirit of the world and choose the spirit of Christ.

    Come out of her(babylon) my people so you wont receive her plagues. Her plages will be terrible.

    God has provided us a way to seek him,and we can *depend on him*, that his book is *preserved*,and good for doctrine and reprove. You must believe this,and no excuses can help us from the judgement to come.

    wakeup.

    #354480
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 15 2013,05:29)

    Quote (Colter @ May 14 2013,22:43)

    Quote
    Colter.

    Isaiah 45:7. *I form the light*, and *create darkness*:
    *I make peace*, *and create evil*:
    I the Lord do all these things.

    *Not my own words colter*,but Gods own words.
    If you dont believe Gods words, then why say; you worship him? Is that not called hypocrisy?

    The fact that you can not comprehend that,is because you have not truly discovered your God. You only think you have.
    But you are not alone in this.

    If you really understood Isaiah then you would know that, because God is Good, that his will is perfect,  and he created free will beings, then that meant the possibility of free will beings choosing evil. They have. That is the ONLY sense in which God can be said to create evil. That’s what Isaiah meant where you cherry picked his words to give your own confused understanding.

    God is good, God is Love

    Colter


    Colter.

    We(christians) know that only God is good.
    But he also can create evil, and he did create evil for a purpose.
    The tree of knowledge of good and evil is put there by none but God.

    Good and evil was there already,so Adam could make a choice of his own will.
    Man must know what is good;and what is evil.
    Man has chosen evil,so now man has to live by what he has chosen; by his own will.

    Now God will show man what he has chosen; by his own will. Now man must know that he has chosen the wrong thing,and God is showing man what evil really is.

    Not just a part of evil,but the whole package.
    Today,evil has reached to the max,it is ripe;and therefore ready to be taken out of the way.

    Jesus came to show us what is good,and how to turn around and choose good. This is where the Holy bible comes in,for us to learn and seek God(good). Man has been given another choice.
    But it seems that man love things the way they are,living in opposition to God; (to good).

    Worshipping the desires of the flesh, rather than the desires of the spirit. Satan loves the desires of the flesh,and man also has that same spirit.Man needs to come out of that spirit of the world and choose the spirit of Christ.

    Come out of her(babylon) my people so you wont receive her plagues. Her plages will be terrible.

    God has provided us a way to seek him,and we can *depend on him*, that his book is *preserved*,and good for doctrine and reprove. You must believe this,and no excuses can help us from the judgement to come.

    wakeup.


    God is Love, I am not afraid of my heavenly Father, I trust him. God is not the monster you make him out to be, you are a false teacher, although I know that you have been taught these terrible things about God.

    You suffer from the plague of ignorance and fear.

    Colter

    #354481
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ May 15 2013,07:14)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 15 2013,05:29)

    Quote (Colter @ May 14 2013,22:43)

    Quote
    Colter.

    Isaiah 45:7. *I form the light*, and *create darkness*:
    *I make peace*, *and create evil*:
    I the Lord do all these things.

    *Not my own words colter*,but Gods own words.
    If you dont believe Gods words, then why say; you worship him? Is that not called hypocrisy?

    The fact that you can not comprehend that,is because you have not truly discovered your God. You only think you have.
    But you are not alone in this.

    If you really understood Isaiah then you would know that, because God is Good, that his will is perfect,  and he created free will beings, then that meant the possibility of free will beings choosing evil. They have. That is the ONLY sense in which God can be said to create evil. That’s what Isaiah meant where you cherry picked his words to give your own confused understanding.

    God is good, God is Love

    Colter


    Colter.

    We(christians) know that only God is good.
    But he also can create evil, and he did create evil for a purpose.
    The tree of knowledge of good and evil is put there by none but God.

    Good and evil was there already,so Adam could make a choice of his own will.
    Man must know what is good;and what is evil.
    Man has chosen evil,so now man has to live by what he has chosen; by his own will.

    Now God will show man what he has chosen; by his own will. Now man must know that he has chosen the wrong thing,and God is showing man what evil really is.

    Not just a part of evil,but the whole package.
    Today,evil has reached to the max,it is ripe;and therefore ready to be taken out of the way.

    Jesus came to show us what is good,and how to turn around and choose good. This is where the Holy bible comes in,for us to learn and seek God(good). Man has been given another choice.
    But it seems that man love things the way they are,living in opposition to God; (to good).

    Worshipping the desires of the flesh, rather than the desires of the spirit. Satan loves the desires of the flesh,and man also has that same spirit.Man needs to come out of that spirit of the world and choose the spirit of Christ.

    Come out of her(babylon) my people so you wont receive her plagues. Her plages will be terrible.

    God has provided us a way to seek him,and we can *depend on him*, that his book is *preserved*,and good for doctrine and reprove. You must believe this,and no excuses can help us from the judgement to come.

    wakeup.


    God is Love, I am not afraid of my heavenly Father, I trust him. God is not the monster you make him out to be, you are a false teacher, although I know that you have been taught these terrible things about God.

    You suffer from the plague of ignorance and fear.

    Colter


    Colter.

    I dont picture God as a monster;its his own words I use,and I believe in his words,and follow.
    Its just that God does not think like men does,
    He is from above, and we are from below,and his thoughts are not mens thoughts.

    You need to know your God,and dont see his way as your way.We need to understand his way by learning his words and his prophesies.

    By knowing prophesies,we also learn His ways,and his thinking,and his will.

    You can scream as loud as you can about God is love over and over again, like the others do;that does not mean anything to God,untill we show real interest in seeking him.
    Seeking through his word,and not through some strange flesh.Our worship is just like dirty rags in his eyes.

    We need to put God before our selves.
    You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,and with all your mind, and with all your strength,and with all your soul.

    wakeup.

    #354482
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 15 2013,08:32)

    Quote (Colter @ May 15 2013,07:14)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 15 2013,05:29)

    Quote (Colter @ May 14 2013,22:43)

    Quote
    Colter.

    Isaiah 45:7. *I form the light*, and *create darkness*:
    *I make peace*, *and create evil*:
    I the Lord do all these things.

    *Not my own words colter*,but Gods own words.
    If you dont believe Gods words, then why say; you worship him? Is that not called hypocrisy?

    The fact that you can not comprehend that,is because you have not truly discovered your God. You only think you have.
    But you are not alone in this.

    If you really understood Isaiah then you would know that, because God is Good, that his will is perfect,  and he created free will beings, then that meant the possibility of free will beings choosing evil. They have. That is the ONLY sense in which God can be said to create evil. That’s what Isaiah meant where you cherry picked his words to give your own confused understanding.

    God is good, God is Love

    Colter


    Colter.

    We(christians) know that only God is good.
    But he also can create evil, and he did create evil for a purpose.
    The tree of knowledge of good and evil is put there by none but God.

    Good and evil was there already,so Adam could make a choice of his own will.
    Man must know what is good;and what is evil.
    Man has chosen evil,so now man has to live by what he has chosen; by his own will.

    Now God will show man what he has chosen; by his own will. Now man must know that he has chosen the wrong thing,and God is showing man what evil really is.

    Not just a part of evil,but the whole package.
    Today,evil has reached to the max,it is ripe;and therefore ready to be taken out of the way.

    Jesus came to show us what is good,and how to turn around and choose good. This is where the Holy bible comes in,for us to learn and seek God(good). Man has been given another choice.
    But it seems that man love things the way they are,living in opposition to God; (to good).

    Worshipping the desires of the flesh, rather than the desires of the spirit. Satan loves the desires of the flesh,and man also has that same spirit.Man needs to come out of that spirit of the world and choose the spirit of Christ.

    Come out of her(babylon) my people so you wont receive her plagues. Her plages will be terrible.

    God has provided us a way to seek him,and we can *depend on him*, that his book is *preserved*,and good for doctrine and reprove. You must believe this,and no excuses can help us from the judgement to come.

    wakeup.


    God is Love, I am not afraid of my heavenly Father, I trust him. God is not the monster you make him out to be, you are a false teacher, although I know that you have been taught these terrible things about God.

    You suffer from the plague of ignorance and fear.

    Colter


    Colter.

    I dont picture God as a monster;its his own words I use,and I believe in his words,and follow.
    Its just that God does not think like men does,
    He is from above, and we are from below,and his thoughts are not mens thoughts.

    You need to know your God,and dont see his way as your way.We need to understand his way by learning his words and his prophesies.

    By knowing prophesies,we also learn His ways,and his thinking,and his will.

    You can scream as loud as you can about God is love over and over again, like the others do;that does not mean anything to God,untill we show real interest in seeking him.
    Seeking through his word,and not through some strange flesh.Our worship is just like dirty rags in his eyes.

    We need to put God before our selves.
    You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,and with all your mind, and with all your strength,and with all your soul.

    wakeup.


    Therefore, you must believe it all, the good and the bad. So you must make God good and evil because of the church has convinced you that the Bible was written by God.

    I reject where God is misrepresented.

    Colter

    #354483
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ May 15 2013,10:15)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 15 2013,08:32)

    Quote (Colter @ May 15 2013,07:14)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 15 2013,05:29)

    Quote (Colter @ May 14 2013,22:43)

    Quote
    Colter.

    Isaiah 45:7. *I form the light*, and *create darkness*:
    *I make peace*, *and create evil*:
    I the Lord do all these things.

    *Not my own words colter*,but Gods own words.
    If you dont believe Gods words, then why say; you worship him? Is that not called hypocrisy?

    The fact that you can not comprehend that,is because you have not truly discovered your God. You only think you have.
    But you are not alone in this.

    If you really understood Isaiah then you would know that, because God is Good, that his will is perfect,  and he created free will beings, then that meant the possibility of free will beings choosing evil. They have. That is the ONLY sense in which God can be said to create evil. That’s what Isaiah meant where you cherry picked his words to give your own confused understanding.

    God is good, God is Love

    Colter


    Colter.

    We(christians) know that only God is good.
    But he also can create evil, and he did create evil for a purpose.
    The tree of knowledge of good and evil is put there by none but God.

    Good and evil was there already,so Adam could make a choice of his own will.
    Man must know what is good;and what is evil.
    Man has chosen evil,so now man has to live by what he has chosen; by his own will.

    Now God will show man what he has chosen; by his own will. Now man must know that he has chosen the wrong thing,and God is showing man what evil really is.

    Not just a part of evil,but the whole package.
    Today,evil has reached to the max,it is ripe;and therefore ready to be taken out of the way.

    Jesus came to show us what is good,and how to turn around and choose good. This is where the Holy bible comes in,for us to learn and seek God(good). Man has been given another choice.
    But it seems that man love things the way they are,living in opposition to God; (to good).

    Worshipping the desires of the flesh, rather than the desires of the spirit. Satan loves the desires of the flesh,and man also has that same spirit.Man needs to come out of that spirit of the world and choose the spirit of Christ.

    Come out of her(babylon) my people so you wont receive her plagues. Her plages will be terrible.

    God has provided us a way to seek him,and we can *depend on him*, that his book is *preserved*,and good for doctrine and reprove. You must believe this,and no excuses can help us from the judgement to come.

    wakeup.


    God is Love, I am not afraid of my heavenly Father, I trust him. God is not the monster you make him out to be, you are a false teacher, although I know that you have been taught these terrible things about God.

    You suffer from the plague of ignorance and fear.

    Colter


    Colter.

    I dont picture God as a monster;its his own words I use,and I believe in his words,and follow.
    Its just that God does not think like men does,
    He is from above, and we are from below,and his thoughts are not mens thoughts.

    You need to know your God,and dont see his way as your way.We need to understand his way by learning his words and his prophesies.

    By knowing prophesies,we also learn His ways,and his thinking,and his will.

    You can scream as loud as you can about God is love over and over again, like the others do;that does not mean anything to God,untill we show real interest in seeking him.
    Seeking through his word,and not through some strange flesh.Our worship is just like dirty rags in his eyes.

    We need to put God before our selves.
    You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,and with all your mind, and with all your strength,and with all your soul.

    wakeup.


    Therefore, you must believe it all, the good and the bad. So you must make God good and evil because of the church has convinced you that the Bible was written by God.

    I reject where God is misrepresented.

    Colter


    Colter.

    Any church that believe the bible is the true word of God,I agree with.
    The thing is that we also should follow,and do.
    And live our lives according to what is written,
    of which most failed to do.

    You have only believed in parts of the word,according to your understanding,and have rejected part of it because
    of the book you are reading.

    The word of God is the flesh of Christ,not some other word written by men. *No man can come to the father but by me*.
    His flesh we must eat to receive the Holy spirit.

    wakeup.

    #354484
    Spock
    Participant

    The word is living truth.

    Colter

    #354485
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ May 15 2013,15:54)
    The word is living truth.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Word is living truth indeed,and we must feed on it.
    You can not face the Lord and say''Lord I have been studying
    the word of the ub'',because your word has been corrupted by men.
    This is only because your faith in God, providing us with
    an uncontaminated book is not there.

    Is man stronger than God?
    Can the devil outsmart God?

    wakeup.

    #354486
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,00:29)

    Quote (Colter @ May 15 2013,15:54)
    The word is living truth.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Word is living truth indeed,and we must feed on it.
    You can not face the Lord and say''Lord I have been studying
    the word of the ub'',because your word has been corrupted by men.
    This is only because your faith in God, providing us with
    an uncontaminated book is not there.

    Is man stronger than God?
    Can the devil outsmart God?

    wakeup.


    God IS the Word, not books.

    There is only 1 God of this world, not 2.

    Colter

    #354487
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,02:47)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,00:29)

    Quote (Colter @ May 15 2013,15:54)
    The word is living truth.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Word is living truth indeed,and we must feed on it.
    You can not face the Lord and say''Lord I have been studying
    the word of the ub'',because your word has been corrupted by men.
    This is only because your faith in God, providing us with
    an uncontaminated book is not there.

    Is man stronger than God?
    Can the devil outsmart God?

    wakeup.


    God IS the Word, not books.

    There is only 1  God of this world, not 2.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Holy bible is the word of God.
    And you have denied the word of God.

    wakeup.

    #354488
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,03:25)

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,02:47)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,00:29)

    Quote (Colter @ May 15 2013,15:54)
    The word is living truth.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Word is living truth indeed,and we must feed on it.
    You can not face the Lord and say''Lord I have been studying
    the word of the ub'',because your word has been corrupted by men.
    This is only because your faith in God, providing us with
    an uncontaminated book is not there.

    Is man stronger than God?
    Can the devil outsmart God?

    wakeup.


    God IS the Word, not books.

    There is only 1  God of this world, not 2.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Holy bible is the word of God.
    And you have denied the word of God.

    wakeup.


    The controlling money makers in the church claim the Bible is the word of God, but the Bible books don't claim to be written by God. They have used the lie to extort money and murder people like me who dare challenge their evil, man made authority.

    God is the Word, not books ABOUT him.

    Colter

    #354489
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,03:33)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,03:25)

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,02:47)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,00:29)

    Quote (Colter @ May 15 2013,15:54)
    The word is living truth.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Word is living truth indeed,and we must feed on it.
    You can not face the Lord and say''Lord I have been studying
    the word of the ub'',because your word has been corrupted by men.
    This is only because your faith in God, providing us with
    an uncontaminated book is not there.

    Is man stronger than God?
    Can the devil outsmart God?

    wakeup.


    God IS the Word, not books.

    There is only 1  God of this world, not 2.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Holy bible is the word of God.
    And you have denied the word of God.

    wakeup.


    The controlling money makers in the church claim the Bible is the word of God, but the Bible books don't claim to be written by God. They have used the lie to extort money and murder people like me who dare challenge their evil, man made authority.

    God is the Word, not books ABOUT him.

    Colter


    Colter.

    But you follow books.
    Your knowledge is out of books,God did not speak to you
    and teach you.
    The money changers are greedy law breakers.
    God still has a book preserved for us to seek into.
    This is my faith in God. Jehovah jereh;God will provide.
    Where is your faith?

    wakeup.

    #354490
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,03:47)

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,03:33)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,03:25)

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,02:47)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,00:29)

    Quote (Colter @ May 15 2013,15:54)
    The word is living truth.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Word is living truth indeed,and we must feed on it.
    You can not face the Lord and say''Lord I have been studying
    the word of the ub'',because your word has been corrupted by men.
    This is only because your faith in God, providing us with
    an uncontaminated book is not there.

    Is man stronger than God?
    Can the devil outsmart God?

    wakeup.


    God IS the Word, not books.

    There is only 1  God of this world, not 2.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Holy bible is the word of God.
    And you have denied the word of God.

    wakeup.


    The controlling money makers in the church claim the Bible is the word of God, but the Bible books don't claim to be written by God. They have used the lie to extort money and murder people like me who dare challenge their evil, man made authority.

    God is the Word, not books ABOUT him.

    Colter


    Colter.

    But you follow books.
    Your knowledge is out of books,God did not speak to you
    and teach you.
    The money changers are greedy law breakers.
    God still has a book preserved for us to seek into.
    This is my faith in God. Jehovah jereh;God will provide.
    Where is your faith?

    wakeup.


    My faith is in the Rock-Father, in the Son-creator, not an idol book, God does not write books.

    You have confused and inconsistent doctrines, who would want what you are selling, an author of confusion?
    Stay in fear, that is your choice, I am free in the original gospel.

    Colter

    #354491
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,04:31)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,03:47)

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,03:33)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,03:25)

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,02:47)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,00:29)

    Quote (Colter @ May 15 2013,15:54)
    The word is living truth.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Word is living truth indeed,and we must feed on it.
    You can not face the Lord and say''Lord I have been studying
    the word of the ub'',because your word has been corrupted by men.
    This is only because your faith in God, providing us with
    an uncontaminated book is not there.

    Is man stronger than God?
    Can the devil outsmart God?

    wakeup.


    God IS the Word, not books.

    There is only 1  God of this world, not 2.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Holy bible is the word of God.
    And you have denied the word of God.

    wakeup.


    The controlling money makers in the church claim the Bible is the word of God, but the Bible books don't claim to be written by God. They have used the lie to extort money and murder people like me who dare challenge their evil, man made authority.

    God is the Word, not books ABOUT him.

    Colter


    Colter.

    But you follow books.
    Your knowledge is out of books,God did not speak to you
    and teach you.
    The money changers are greedy law breakers.
    God still has a book preserved for us to seek into.
    This is my faith in God. Jehovah jereh;God will provide.
    Where is your faith?

    wakeup.


    My faith is in the Rock-Father, in the Son-creator, not an idol book, God does not write books.

    You have confused and inconsistent doctrines, who would want what you are selling, an author of confusion?
    Stay in fear, that is your choice, I am free in the original gospel.

    Colter


    Colter.

    I have found that your faith is in men of high position,men of worldly wisdom, rather than in God.
    They have robbed you of your inheritance,and you dont even mind.You are sitting cosy in your nest,but look;they have taken your eggs; and you dont know it.

    wakeup.

    #354492
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,21:28)

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,04:31)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,03:47)

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,03:33)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,03:25)

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,02:47)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,00:29)

    Quote (Colter @ May 15 2013,15:54)
    The word is living truth.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Word is living truth indeed,and we must feed on it.
    You can not face the Lord and say''Lord I have been studying
    the word of the ub'',because your word has been corrupted by men.
    This is only because your faith in God, providing us with
    an uncontaminated book is not there.

    Is man stronger than God?
    Can the devil outsmart God?

    wakeup.


    God IS the Word, not books.

    There is only 1  God of this world, not 2.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Holy bible is the word of God.
    And you have denied the word of God.

    wakeup.


    The controlling money makers in the church claim the Bible is the word of God, but the Bible books don't claim to be written by God. They have used the lie to extort money and murder people like me who dare challenge their evil, man made authority.

    God is the Word, not books ABOUT him.

    Colter


    Colter.

    But you follow books.
    Your knowledge is out of books,God did not speak to you
    and teach you.
    The money changers are greedy law breakers.
    God still has a book preserved for us to seek into.
    This is my faith in God. Jehovah jereh;God will provide.
    Where is your faith?

    wakeup.


    My faith is in the Rock-Father, in the Son-creator, not an idol book, God does not write books.

    You have confused and inconsistent doctrines, who would want what you are selling, an author of confusion?
    Stay in fear, that is your choice, I am free in the original gospel.

    Colter


    Colter.

    I have found that your faith is in men of high position,men of worldly wisdom, rather than in God.
    They have robbed you of your inheritance,and you dont even mind.You are sitting cosy in your nest,but look;they have taken your eggs; and you dont know it.

    wakeup.


    What men, what nest, what are you talking about here?

    Coltert

    #354493
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,22:21)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,21:28)

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,04:31)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,03:47)

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,03:33)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,03:25)

    Quote (Colter @ May 16 2013,02:47)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 16 2013,00:29)

    Quote (Colter @ May 15 2013,15:54)
    The word is living truth.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Word is living truth indeed,and we must feed on it.
    You can not face the Lord and say''Lord I have been studying
    the word of the ub'',because your word has been corrupted by men.
    This is only because your faith in God, providing us with
    an uncontaminated book is not there.

    Is man stronger than God?
    Can the devil outsmart God?

    wakeup.


    God IS the Word, not books.

    There is only 1  God of this world, not 2.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The Holy bible is the word of God.
    And you have denied the word of God.

    wakeup.


    The controlling money makers in the church claim the Bible is the word of God, but the Bible books don't claim to be written by God. They have used the lie to extort money and murder people like me who dare challenge their evil, man made authority.

    God is the Word, not books ABOUT him.

    Colter


    Colter.

    But you follow books.
    Your knowledge is out of books,God did not speak to you
    and teach you.
    The money changers are greedy law breakers.
    God still has a book preserved for us to seek into.
    This is my faith in God. Jehovah jereh;God will provide.
    Where is your faith?

    wakeup.


    My faith is in the Rock-Father, in the Son-creator, not an idol book, God does not write books.

    You have confused and inconsistent doctrines, who would want what you are selling, an author of confusion?
    Stay in fear, that is your choice, I am free in the original gospel.

    Colter


    Colter.

    I have found that your faith is in men of high position,men of worldly wisdom, rather than in God.
    They have robbed you of your inheritance,and you dont even mind.You are sitting cosy in your nest,but look;they have taken your eggs; and you dont know it.

    wakeup.


    What men, what nest, what are you talking about here?

    Coltert


    Colter.

    It shows that you dont know the scriptures.

    THIS IS ABOUT SATANS BOASTINGS:

    Isaiah 10:13 For he saith, By the strength of my hand I have done it, and by my wisdom; for I am prudent: **and I have removed the bounds of the people**, **and have robbed their treasures**, and I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant man:

    Isaiah 10:14 **And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people**: **and as one gathereth eggs that are left, have I gathered all the earth**; and there was **none that moved the wing**, **or opened the mouth, or peeped**.

    HERE IS GOD ANSWEREING SATANS BOASTINGS:
    Isaiah 10:15 Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood.
    GOD IS THE ONE HOLDING THE AXE,AND SATAN DOESNT EVEN KNOW IT.

    wakeup.

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