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A proper translation of Daniel 11:14 from Judaica Press
14. And in those times, many will rise up against the king of the south, and the sons of the renegades of your people will exalt themselves to bring about the vision but they will fail.
The renegades of the Jews are the Christians. After all, they started out as Jews. Christianity then went on to exalt itself above the Judaism it was supposed to be based on, but in the end, Christianity will fail.
Hi Tow,
So that is your interpretation?
cute.
However God may see the ones who called themselves Jews
but did not recognise their God visiting in the vessel of his Son
as renegades.Nick,
I thought you'd like it since you are on the side of the renegades who will fail.
There was nothing to recognize in Jesus. G-d never said He would copulate with a virgin human female and produce a human son. Such nonsense cannot be found in the pages of YHVH's book, Tanakh. Virgin birth mythologies and gods having human children is the stuff of mythologies such as Krishna and Mithras, along with many other deity kids running around.
Please, show me in Tanakh where G-d will impregnate a virgin. It will be fun to see you come up with some vague passage that you have to work Christian apologetic gymnastics on. Oh, and Is 7:14 says nothing about the supposed 'virgin' (who is really Isaiah's wife and 'almah' means 'young woman') being the receptacle for the holy seed.
Hi TOW,
God revealed enough through His prophets for His servants to be expecting the Son.
Sadly only a few stargazers and some shepherds figured it out.Quote (t8 @ Dec. 20 2007,11:07) Quote (Son of Light @ Dec. 20 2007,11:03) Yes both Jews, Christians and even Muslims serving the God of this world and following his examples in the Old Testament do go around killing everyone.
SOL.Evolutionists kill people. Think Adolph Hitler.
Librarians kill people.
Drunk drivers kill people.There will always be a percentage of people from all genders, races, languages, religions, classes, that kill people.
I could make the same argument you do with Rich people kill, or poor people kill.
People kill people, SOL. That proves nothing except that man is a sinner and anyone can sin.
But christians have a book that commands them to kill people.Stuart
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 19 2007,19:42) Hi TOW,
God revealed enough through His prophets for His servants to be expecting the Son.Reference please, not just your words.
Quote Sadly only a few stargazers and some shepherds figured it out.
The stargazers were magi. Magi are from pagan cults. So yes, pagans expected their own savior. No prophets of YHVH were told of YHVH copulating with a virgin to bring forth a son. Sorry, wrong religion. You might try Mithraism.Quote (Stu @ Dec. 20 2007,20:33) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 20 2007,11:07) Quote (Son of Light @ Dec. 20 2007,11:03) Yes both Jews, Christians and even Muslims serving the God of this world and following his examples in the Old Testament do go around killing everyone.
SOL.Evolutionists kill people. Think Adolph Hitler.
Librarians kill people.
Drunk drivers kill people.There will always be a percentage of people from all genders, races, languages, religions, classes, that kill people.
I could make the same argument you do with Rich people kill, or poor people kill.
People kill people, SOL. That proves nothing except that man is a sinner and anyone can sin.
But christians have a book that commands them to kill people.Stuart
Yes, because they kept the old testament of Samael.Quote (Morningstar @ Dec. 20 2007,09:35) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 20 2007,20:33) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 20 2007,11:07) Quote (Son of Light @ Dec. 20 2007,11:03) Yes both Jews, Christians and even Muslims serving the God of this world and following his examples in the Old Testament do go around killing everyone.
SOL.Evolutionists kill people. Think Adolph Hitler.
Librarians kill people.
Drunk drivers kill people.There will always be a percentage of people from all genders, races, languages, religions, classes, that kill people.
I could make the same argument you do with Rich people kill, or poor people kill.
People kill people, SOL. That proves nothing except that man is a sinner and anyone can sin.
But christians have a book that commands them to kill people.Stuart
Yes, because they kept the old testament of Samael.
Samael? Too much Robert Jordan for you, you're getting mixed up between the Wheel of Time series and Tanakh. Plus, it seems you and SOL are buddies
Oh but wait MS, weren't you the one who said Jesus was YHVH? Since the Tanakh is Samael's book, now according to you, then you are saying Jesus=Samael. My my but you are blown around by many winds of doctrine *snicker*.
Quote (Towshab @ Dec. 21 2007,02:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 19 2007,19:42) Hi TOW,
God revealed enough through His prophets for His servants to be expecting the Son.Reference please, not just your words.
Quote Sadly only a few stargazers and some shepherds figured it out.
The stargazers were magi. Magi are from pagan cults. So yes, pagans expected their own savior. No prophets of YHVH were told of YHVH copulating with a virgin to bring forth a son. Sorry, wrong religion. You might try Mithraism.
Hi Tow,
Your prophet John spoke of Jesus the Christ and God within Him coming to his own people and being rejected[Jn1].Yes only pagans recognised through the God given signs in the heavens[Gen1] and shamed the chosen ones who relied on knowledge and not faith.
The NT reveals the full meaning of the OT and that is why the whole book is needed to find truth. Casting aside the Saviour sent you who offered gentile pagans like yourself salvation is not wise.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 20 2007,11:58) Quote (Towshab @ Dec. 21 2007,02:19) nick wrote:Hi TOW,
God revealed enough through His prophets for His servants to be expecting the Son.Reference please, not just your words.
Quote Sadly only a few stargazers and some shepherds figured it out.
The stargazers were magi. Magi are from pagan cults. So yes, pagans expected their own savior. No prophets of YHVH were told of YHVH copulating with a virgin to bring forth a son. Sorry, wrong religion. You might try Mithraism.
Hi Tow,
Your prophet John spoke of Jesus the Christ and God within Him coming to his own people and being rejected[Jn1].Quote Are you a bot? I really do not recall saying John was a prophet but if you need to keep saying then go ahead.
Which god was going to be within Jesus? Jupiter? Zeus?
Yes only pagans recognised through the God given signs in the heavens[Gen1] and shamed the chosen ones who relied on knowledge and not faith.
Yes, all of those scriptures, written by prophets and scribes, might as well throw them away because Jesus was not found in them. What good is the lack of knowledge of him when all you have to believe is although he was not prophecied in the Jewish scriptures, he is indeed the Jewish King Messiah!
Or perhaps Christians are confused and do not realize that Jesus was the savior of some other religion. That makes much more sense because nothing in the Tanakh matches Jesus. Its a shame that whatever scripture Jesus was speaking of are lost, perhaps burned by the early church when they realized their error.
Quote The NT reveals the full meaning of the OT and that is why the whole book is needed to find truth. Casting aside the Saviour sent you who offered gentile pagans like yourself salvation is not wise.
I choose to cast aside a pagan messiah because I don't choose to believe in a pagan god. Plain and simple. Matching Tanakh with the GT is like putting a V8 in a pinto. It won't fit. Just like Tanakh does not fit with GT.Hi Tow,
You are folowing a popular line of thought that turned men into murderers 2000 years ago in the thought that they were serving God. Some can never recognise God in Christ..because they never knew God.Yes but which god? It can't be YHVH G-d because Jesus cannot be the Jewish King Messiah. He did not fulfill any messianic prophecies of the Tanakh so the god you speak of in Christ is a pagan one.
Nah, Jesus died because he was an insurrectionist. He claimed to be a king in front of Pilate and that was a no-no while under Roman rule. That is why he put the inscription on the cross for all to see. It showed people what happens to those who would be king while under Roman rule.
Again, you try you best to insert words into my mouth, but homey don't play that game. I merely said why he was crucified. I'm not the one who wrote Roman laws.
Hi Tow,
So what of the prophets who healed and raised the dead.
Which of them were playing parlour games?
Was Moses when he was used by God to perform miracles just using a few tricks he had learned in Egypt?
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