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Were either of you two going to actually try to SCRIPTURALLY refute my last post? Or is “OMG” the best you guys have to offer?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2012,11:20) Were either of you two going to actually try to SCRIPTURALLY refute my last post? Or is “OMG” the best you guys have to offer?
OMG again.MB just not in the mood to cast my pearls before the swine. That be you sir. You people have not grown or accomplished anything in the many months I have been gone. Stuck in death and loving it. It was a major waste of time getting back on here. I am out of this trap!
That's probably a good idea, Martian. As I recall, this site got you pretty upset the last time you were here. And besides, it's not like the many scriptures we post will change your mind about your self-serving doctrine where you feel more empowered if Jesus was just like you, right?
Who needs the actual words of scripture when you have your own personal reasons for believing the way you do?
Take care of yourself
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2012,21:17) Hi MB,
Where did you find this new doctrine?
You mean the “new doctrine” in which you yourself believed until that fateful night when a “concept came to you”? A concept that doesn't even align with scripture, and contradicts many of them?
Shem4name………….If you are Martian don't leave stay and don't let people here get to you brother , use the truth of God as a sword given to you and the soundness of scriptures you have to enlighten us all Brother. These people are like little childern who stand in the market place and say we have piped unto you and your did not dance , we have mourned unto you and your did not cry. You need patience brother.
Peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………….gene
Quote (shem4name @ April 22 2012,08:23) The plan of God for man is clear. We are to grow and develop the character of God in us. For this reason Christ was given as our example. In this we truth lays our hope. Hope is the greatest of fruits. Without hope we have no motivation to move forward into the plan of God.
Show me a God that overcomes temptation and no big deal. Show me a man that does the same and I obtain hope that it is really possible.
Show me a God that loves in a pure manner and no big deal. Show me a man that does it and I know that it is possible for me to do the same.
Show me a man that God trusts to do miracles through and I have hope that God might use me in the same manner.
Show me a God that is raised from the dead and all I might do is ask how a God died in the first place but other then that would not be too impressed. Show me a man raised from the dead and given eternal life can I take hope that I can do the same.
The human Christ made like his brothers in all ways is the hope of Christianity.Acts 17:31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”
1 Peter 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Humanity is often dull and slow to learn. This is why God chose to use an example of what humanity could become. That example is Christ.
Shem4name or Martian……………Right on Brother , this is a sound teachings and anyone who has truth of God (IN) him KNOWS it. Indeed Jesus was a 100% human being and never existed before his berth as any thing other being in the PLAN and WILL of GOD our FATHER and HIS FATHER. Well put Brother. We need more SOUND teachers sound teachers like YOU HERE BROTHER, You have been and are a blessing to us all. IMOpeace and love to you and yours ……………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 22 2012,09:28) Indeed Jesus was a 100% human being……….
So your Jesus won the lottery then, Gene? He didn't really SACRIFICE anything at all, but instead was the LUCKY one that God picked out of the millions of human beings and said, “I'm going to make you go through one bad day where you die – as all men die – and in exchange for that one bad day, you will live for eternity at My right hand, ruling over the entire heavens and earth for me!”Is THAT what you think happened, Gene? It seems your Jesus didn't sacrifice a single thing, but instead hit the jackpot of all jackpots. Boy, I sure wish God would call on me to make that kind of “sacrifice”.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 23 2012,02:19) Shem4name………….If you are Martian don't leave stay and don't let people here get to you brother , use the truth of God as a sword given to you and the soundness of scriptures you have to enlighten us all Brother. These people are like little childern who stand in the market place and say we have piped unto you and your did not dance , we have mourned unto you and your did not cry. You need patience brother. Peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………….gene
Hi Gene,Who are 'these people'?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ April 22 2012,09:28) Indeed Jesus was a 100% human being……….
Hi Gene,Jesus is the progeny of the “HolySpirit”. (Matt.1:18, 1:20 / Luke 1:35)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 23 2012,03:00) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 22 2012,09:28) Indeed Jesus was a 100% human being……….
Hi Gene,Jesus is the progeny of the “HolySpirit”. (Matt.1:18, 1:20 / Luke 1:35)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Phil 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself,
and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.Gene,
When I saw this post by Mike, I should have left then. “Suit yourself Martian. As for me, I will believe the scriptures whether or not I think they make it more possible for me to be like Jesus.” This is so typical of the lost wandering souls that have no concept of the plan of God. They may have stumbled into salvation but have fallen completely asleep in a moray of useless ventures. Someday I hope they will wake up and realize that the scriptures are not the standard but the plan of God and what we do with it is the standard. Christ is that standard and the completion of God's plan to become like him. They are more interested in lining you up with their particular take on scripture then they are whether or not the teaching actually helps you become like Christ. They are modern day Pharisees piling lots of intellectual data on your head without a care if it actually helps you. They are not motivated by love for your soul, they are motivated by their insecurity and needing to prove their point to have self worth.
Gene, You cannot teach or convince people that do not operate within the need to complete the plan of God in themselves and others. They have another agenda outside of God's plan.Quote (shem4name @ April 22 2012,11:15) They are more interested in lining you up with their particular take on scripture then they are whether or not the teaching actually helps you become like Christ.
Scripture is the written word of God, Martian, and not the least pen stroke will disappear or change. So yes, we are definitely interested in aligning our beliefs with those scriptures, and not so much interested in teaching unscriptural doctrines just because we feel they “help us” to become more like Jesus. That would be self-serving, don't you think?If you guys truly want to be more like Jesus, then you can start by believing the written word of his Father. Or even just believing his own words. He said he came down from heaven to do the will of his Father. I believe him. Why won't you?
I know when I post this that those stuck in what I am about to discuss will try to twist it to their system. I post it for the one or two on here that might still be capable of discernment.
On this forum I received this reply when I ask how his doctrine helped me to become like Christ. “As for me, I will believe the scriptures whether or not I think they make it more possible for me to be like Jesus.”
This is so typical of the lost wandering souls that have no concept of the plan of God. What is the point of scriptural teaching if not to help us complete the plan of God. (become like Jesus) These people may have stumbled into salvation but have fallen completely asleep in a moray of useless ventures. Someday I hope they will wake up and realize that the scriptures are not the standard but the plan of God and what we do with it is the standard. Christ is that standard by which we measure our progress in the plan, and the completion of God's plan is to become like him. These debaters are more interested in lining you up with their particular take on scripture then they are whether or not the teaching actually helps you become like Christ. They are modern day Pharisees piling lots of burdens of intellectual data on your head without a care if it actually helps you. They are not motivated by love for your soul, they are motivated by their insecurity and needing to prove their point so they can have some false self worth.
You cannot teach or convince people that do not operate within the need to complete the plan of God in themselves and others. They have another agenda outside of God's plan.
Let me expand on these thoughts a bit. Jeff Benner of the Ancient Hebrew Research Center defines the words Good and Evil from the Tree in the Garden of Eden in the following manner.
“What does “good” mean? The first use of this word is in Genesis chapter one where calls his handiwork “good”. It should always be remembered that the Hebrews often relate descriptions to functionality. The word tov would best be translated with the word “functional”. When looked at his handiwork he did not see that it was “good”, he saw that it was functional, kind of like a well oiled and tuned machine. In contrast to this word is the Hebrew word “ra”. These two words, tov and ra are used for the tree of the knowledge of “good” and “evil”. While “ra” is often translated as evil it is best translated as “dysfunctional”.
At the fall man became dysfunctional in all areas. The way he processed and judged information and stimulus became centered in the intellect rather then the heart. To varying degrees this became the place of our consciousness and the interconnecting spiritual image of God in us was pushed away.This dysfunctional operating system permeated humanity till it was elevated to a revered position in the Greeks. Touted as an enlightenment, what it really contained was the Knowledge of Good and Evil, the 666 and the rule of man’s mental imagery over God’s functionality. And what was the result? As the Greek influence took more hold in the teaching of the church, Mental imagery took the place of discerning the spirit. Intellectual constructs took the place of walking by faith.
Well what is faith you might ask? Again Jeff Benner has the answer.
“The Hebrew root aman means firm, something that is supported or secure. This word is used in Isaiah 22:23 for a nail that is fastened to a “secure” place. Derived from this root is the word emun meaning a craftsman. A craftsman is one who is firm and secure in his talent. Also derived from aman is the word emunah meaning firmness, something or someone that is firm in their actions. When the Hebrew word emunah is translated as faith misconceptions of its meaning occur. Faith is usually perceived as a knowing while the Hebrew emunah is a firm action. To have faith in God is not knowing that God exists or knowing that he will act, rather it is that the one with emunah will act with firmness toward God's will. “
In other words, Faith is the action of working with God to complete his will or his plan for everyone including ourselves.
When we examine the teachings do we complicate the issue by trying to replace their intellectually perceived dogma for our intellectually perceived dogma? If so, then both parties are wrong and both are operating in the knowledge of good and evil. A pyridine shift is needed. The image of God in us wants to complete God’s plan in us. If we listen closely we can hear it say about a teaching presented, “Does this help to complete God’s plan? Is there room for faith in this? Is there a provision for me to work with God in this?”
HOWEVER – If your first response is to pull out your intellectual data and bullet lists of scripture proof texts, you missed it and you are operating in the knowledge of Good and Evil. You will be operating in a worldly system under the guise of scriptural debate and you will claw your way through all the muck and mire for very little fruit. This is why debate forums can be so frustrating, aggravating and exhausting.
Those of you that know me, and my stand on functional teaching have heard me say for a long time that the manner in which the debate forums operate is a waste of time. You have heard me say it hundreds of times. When someone presents me with a teaching I ask a simple question. “What is the fruit of your teaching or how does it help me become like Christ?” If they brush aside the importance of that fruit, then you have clear indication of their motives. They want to take you into their intellectual data processing system of dysfunction. If you follow them there you will experience the reality of this verse,
Matthew 7:6 “Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
Don’t be a sucker to the world and it’s systems. Walking in the truth is not that difficult. If you have a heart to complete God’s plan for your life, including becoming like Christ, then all you need to know about teaching is how it helps you to do that!Hi Martian,
The SPIRIT IS the FULFILLMENT of the plan of God.
Understanding alone is uselessness.
The flesh profiteth nothing
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