The fear of jesus

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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2009,13:15)

Jesus feared God if you believe that Jesus is God or part of a trinity that is God then you should fear Jesus but why did Jesus fear God if he is God and always has been God and yet Jesus feared God

Ecclesiastes 12:13 (King James Version)

13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Revelation 14:6-8 (King James Version)

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Proverbs 9:10 (King James Version)

10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Hi BD:

Have you or can you keep the commandments of God without violating them if only inadvertantly?

June 18, 2009 at 1:37 am#133873

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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2009,13:15)

Jesus feared God if you believe that Jesus is God or part of a trinity that is God then you should fear Jesus but why did Jesus fear God if he is God and always has been God and yet Jesus feared God

Ecclesiastes 12:13 (King James Version)

13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Revelation 14:6-8 (King James Version)

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Proverbs 9:10 (King James Version)

10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Hi BD:

Have you or can you keep the commandments of God without violating them if only inadvertantly?

No, but God is gracious and merciful and says:

(15) Allah accept the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and repent soon afterwards; to them will Allah turn in mercy: For Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #17)

But verse 18 says Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until death faces one of them, and he says, “Now have I repented indeed;” nor of those who die rejecting Faith: for them have We prepared a punishment most grievous.

Exodus 33:18-20 (King James Version)

18And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.

19And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

(7) On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray:) “Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden Like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #286)

June 18, 2009 at 1:47 am#133875

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Hi BD,
The trinity destroys relationship between the vine and the branches and thus also the Gardener.

June 18, 2009 at 2:04 am#133877

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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2009,13:37)

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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2009,13:15)

Jesus feared God if you believe that Jesus is God or part of a trinity that is God then you should fear Jesus but why did Jesus fear God if he is God and always has been God and yet Jesus feared God

Ecclesiastes 12:13 (King James Version)

13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Revelation 14:6-8 (King James Version)

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Proverbs 9:10 (King James Version)

10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Hi BD:

Have you or can you keep the commandments of God without violating them if only inadvertantly?

No, but God is gracious and merciful and says:

Exodus 33:18-20 (King James Version)

18And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.

Hi BD:

God is indeed merciful. And true, if someone says that they have repented and continue to practice evil, they have not truely repented.

Part of your prayer is:

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Help us against those who stand against faith.”

Stand against what faith?

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1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

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Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, , at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

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1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.

Love in Christ,
Marty

June 18, 2009 at 4:29 am#133878

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2009,13:47)

Hi BD,
The trinity destroys relationship between the vine and the branches and thus also the Gardener.

There is no trinity it is a grave error to think that there is.

BTW, Consider that at the time the Quran was revealed to Muhammad the Catholic church was at its zenith denying the trinity at that time could have meant death. No one woul;d have taught Muhammad to deny the trinity or deny the worship of Mary because these are main components of the Catholic church today and The Catholic churh at that time was Christianity.

June 18, 2009 at 5:36 am#133883

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Hi BD,
The whore is not and was never the body of Christ.

June 18, 2009 at 6:20 am#133884

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2009,17:36)

Hi BD,
The whore is not and was never the body of Christ.

Whatever you think of the Catholic church it was the only main representation of Christianity and hence the urgent need for God to send down the Quran who in the midst of Mary worship, trinity and Jesus is God beliefs God sent the angel Gabriel down to an unlettered person in a language that was beyond the corruption of the church.

This was paramount to conserve the actual truth of God and God always protects the truth.

it was only 1000 years later that different protestant and other Christian divisions began revealing the faults of the Catholic church but Islam already had these issues known as God had sent them down to Muhammad.

June 18, 2009 at 6:30 am#133887

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Hi BD,
Why exalt the whore and her daughters?

June 18, 2009 at 6:37 am#133889

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2009,18:30)

Hi BD,
Why exalt the whore and her daughters?

I am confirming what you are saying about the Catholic Church, do you see my point?

June 18, 2009 at 7:07 am#133892

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Hi BD,
Your argument using their follies has no influence on us.

June 18, 2009 at 6:07 pm#133921

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2009,19:07)

Hi BD,
Your argument using their follies has no influence on us.

It is because you disbelieve without cause.

June 18, 2009 at 7:38 pm#133927

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Hi BD,
We have a master and a teacher yet speaking through his brothers who does not need correction from a later and false prophet.

June 19, 2009 at 1:05 am#133948

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2009,07:38)

Hi BD,
We have a master and a teacher yet speaking through his brothers who does not need correction from a later and false prophet.

Prove that the Prophet is false.

In-fact, prove that Paul is not a false prophet.

Paul said he had a vision of Christ, can you tell me what this means?

Acts 9:4-6 (King James Version)

4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Acts 26:13-15 (King James Version)

13At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

14And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

15And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest

and what about this?

11And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,

Don't you find that interesting that Paul is connected to the house of Judas?

But anyway what is kick against the pricks supposed to mean?

June 19, 2009 at 1:28 am#133950

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang….9&t=KJV

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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 19 2009,13:05)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2009,07:38)

Hi BD,
We have a master and a teacher yet speaking through his brothers who does not need correction from a later and false prophet.

Prove that the Prophet is false.

In-fact, prove that Paul is not a false prophet.

Paul said he had a vision of Christ, can you tell me what this means?

Acts 9:4-6 (King James Version)

4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Acts 26:13-15 (King James Version)

13At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

14And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

15And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest

and what about this?

11And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,

Don't you find that interesting that Paul is connected to the house of Judas?

But anyway what is kick against the pricks supposed to mean?

Hi BD:

If you are suggesting that Jesus was of the household of Judas Iscariot, how can that be since Judas Iscariot hanged himself after he found that he had betrayed an innocent man.

For the definition of “kicking against the pricks”, try the following link:

Love in Christ,
Marty

June 19, 2009 at 1:56 am#133955

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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 19 2009,13:05)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2009,07:38)

Hi BD,
We have a master and a teacher yet speaking through his brothers who does not need correction from a later and false prophet.

Prove that the Prophet is false.

In-fact, prove that Paul is not a false prophet.

Paul said he had a vision of Christ, can you tell me what this means?

Acts 9:4-6 (King James Version)

4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Acts 26:13-15 (King James Version)

13At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

14And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

15And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest

and what about this?

11And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,

Don't you find that interesting that Paul is connected to the house of Judas?

But anyway what is kick against the pricks supposed to mean?

Hi BD,
Would you try to divide and damage faith in the body of Christ for the sake of your master?

June 19, 2009 at 5:56 am#133963

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang….9&t=KJV

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Quote (942767 @ June 19 2009,13:28)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 19 2009,13:05)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2009,07:38)

Hi BD,
We have a master and a teacher yet speaking through his brothers who does not need correction from a later and false prophet.

Prove that the Prophet is false.

In-fact, prove that Paul is not a false prophet.

Paul said he had a vision of Christ, can you tell me what this means?

Acts 9:4-6 (King James Version)

4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Acts 26:13-15 (King James Version)

13At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

14And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

15And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest

and what about this?

11And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,

Don't you find that interesting that Paul is connected to the house of Judas?

But anyway what is kick against the pricks supposed to mean?

Hi BD:

If you are suggesting that Jesus was of the household of Judas Iscariot, how can that be since Judas Iscariot hanged himself after he found that he had betrayed an innocent man.

For the definition of “kicking against the pricks”, try the following link:

Love in Christ,
Marty

I did not say that Jesus was of the house of Judad so please correct yourself.

June 19, 2009 at 5:59 am#133964

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2009,13:56)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 19 2009,13:05)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2009,07:38)

Hi BD,
We have a master and a teacher yet speaking through his brothers who does not need correction from a later and false prophet.

Prove that the Prophet is false.

In-fact, prove that Paul is not a false prophet.

Paul said he had a vision of Christ, can you tell me what this means?

Acts 9:4-6 (King James Version)

4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Acts 26:13-15 (King James Version)

13At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

14And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

15And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest

and what about this?

11And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,

Don't you find that interesting that Paul is connected to the house of Judas?

But anyway what is kick against the pricks supposed to mean?

Hi BD,
Would you try to divide and damage faith in the body of Christ for the sake of your master?

That is not my desire at all, but why is it you will not hear what I am saying.

I love you but you resist what I am sharing but still I share anyway.

June 20, 2009 at 5:54 am#134018

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Hi BD,
WE follow neither the pope nor your lord.
We have one appointed Lord and master.
Jesus Christ, the monogenes son of God

June 20, 2009 at 6:43 am#134019