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Gene
The man of sin is the one who belittles the Son of GOD and HIS LAW and GOSPEL and exalts his human self (ego) by his false teaching. This is what THE POPES do and what they will do as long as they live.
This is what say the book
of Daniel chap.7:25
And HE shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Chapter 8 [11] Yea, HE magnified himself even to THE PRINCE OF THE HOST, (and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
THE PRINCE OF THE HOST IS JESUS CHRIST
AND PAPACY MAGNIFIED HIMSELF EVEN TO PRINCE OF THE HOST
AGAIN
23- And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, À KING OF FIRE COUNTENANCE , and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
[24] And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
[25] And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.DANIEL 11
[36] And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things AGAINST THE GOD OF gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.ALL THIS TEXTS SPEAK ABOUT PAPACY
IDEM REVELATION 13
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.March 10, 2020 at 2:59 am#850531GeneBalthropParticipantBerean…..that happened in 70 AD. When the prince (Titus the son of Emperor Vaspasian ) came and destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem.
Are you trying to say that the Pope says he is God. I know no one who thinks he is a God or even in all the history of the Catholic Church, no one has ever said he was a God, the “only” one who is worshiped as a God and even called a God, and who actually does sit in the temple of God in heaven , is the Son of Man, Jesus Christ. 2ths2.
As far as false prophets go, there are more here at this present day then ever existed befor. Imo.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
March 10, 2020 at 5:30 am#850533BereanParticipantPlease Gene and every one Read
TAKE THE TIME TO READ THE TRUTH ABOUTThe 1260 years of Papal Supremacy
Catholic writers attest to 12 centuries of Papal Supremacy and Sovereignty:
And now that the temporal power of the Roman Pontiffs belongs to the past, that the head of the Church must under heaven depend for its maintenance upon the generosity of his spiritual children throughout the world, that a usurper holds the throne from which the Pope ruled for a thousand years, while its rightful owner is a prisoner in his own city, it will be of interest from many points of view to review what Roman people and Rome were like before 1870 and what they are to-day.
[pg. 194]
Long ages ago, when Rome through the neglect of the Western emperors was left to the mercy of barbarous hordes, Romans turned to one figure for aid and protection and asked him to rule them; and thus in this simple manner, the best title of all to kingly right, commenced the temporal sovereignty of the Popes. And meekly stepping to the throne of Caesar, the Vicar of Christ took up the sceptre to which the emperors and kings of Europe were to bow in reverence through so many ages, from sentiments of respect for the dignity of his office and because he was the only mediator whom they recognized in their almost interminable wars.
Source: Two Romes, by James P. Conry, in The American Catholic Quarterly Review, Volume XXXVI (36), edited by James Andrew Corcoran, Patrick John Ryan, Edmond Francis Prendergast, 1911, pgs. 193-194.… the right to her Temporal Sovereignty is an integral right of the Church as constituted by her Divine Founder. It has prevailed de facto for more than twelve hundred years, and has been possessed de jure by Divine Natural Law from the beginning of Christianity, …
Source: The Victories of Rome and the Temporal Monarchy of the Church, 5th edition, By Kenelm Digby Best, London, 1906, pg. xii.Rome has been a government under the Popes for some twelve hundred years.
Source: Complete Works of the Most Rev. John Hughes, Archbishop of New York, 1866, Volume 2. pg. 778[pg. 6]
9. … In books of all sizes, and from the pulpit of every church, we have been taught from our infancy, that the “beast, the man of sin, and the scarlet whore,” mentioned in the Revelations, were names which God himself had given to the Pope; and we have all been taught to believe of the Catholic Church, that her worship was “idolatrous,” and that her doctrines were “damnable.”
10. Now let us put a plain question or two to ourselves, and to these our readers; and we shall quickly be able to form a
[pg. 7]
just estimate of the modesty, sincerity, and consistency of these revilers of the Catholic religion: ―they will not, because they cannot, deny, that this religion was the ONLY CHRISTIAN religion in the world for fifteen hundred years after the death of Christ. They may say, indeed, that for the first three hundred years there was no Pope seated at Rome. But, then, for twelve hundred years there had been; and, during that period, all the nations of Europe, and some part of America, had become Christian, and all acknowledged the Pope as their head in religious matters; and, in short, there was no other Christian Church known in the world, nor had any other ever been thought of. Can we believe, then, that Christ, who died to save sinners, who sent forth his gospel as the means of their salvation, would have suffered a false Christian religion, and no other than a false Christian religion, to be known amongst men all this while? Will these modest assailants of the faith of their and our ancestors assert to our faces, that, for twelve hundred years at least, there were no true Christians in the world? Will they tell us, that Christ, who promised to be with the teachers of his word to the end of the world, wholly left them, and gave up hundreds upon hundreds of millions of people to be led in darkness to their eternal perdition, by one whom his inspired followers had denominated the “man of sin, and the scarlet whore”? Will they, indeed, dare to tell us, that Christ gave up the world wholly to “Antichrist” for twelve hundred years?
Source: History of the Protestant Reformation in England and Ireland, Showing How That Event Has Impoverished and Degraded the Main Body of the People in Those Countries, by William Cobbett, published in 1832 in New York by John Doyle, 12 Liberty-street; and Thomas Doyle, Market-street, Providence R.I., pages 6 and 7. (Online at Google Books)2 Th 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
2 Th 2:2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
2 Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2 Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
2 Th 2:5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?
2 Th 2:6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.
2 Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
2 Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2 Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
2 Th 2:10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2 Th 2:11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
2 Th 2:12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Paul describes a restrainer who hinders the rise of the antichrist, that this restrainer must be removed before the man of sin can be revealed. Note the following:
[xxviii]Now the abandonment of Rome [*] was the liberation of the Pontiffs. Whatsoever claims to obedience the Emperors may have made, and whatsoever compliance the Pontiff may have yielded, the whole previous relation, anomalous, and annulled again and again by the vices and outrages of the Emperors, was finally dissolved by a higher power. The providence of God permitted a succession of irruptions, Gothic, Lombard, and Hungarian, to desolate Italy, and to efface from it every remnant of
* Emperor Constantine left Rome in 326 A.D. in search of a suitable new capital, and dedicated Byzantium as the “Nova Roma” on May 11th, 330 A.D., renaming it Constantinople after himself.
[xxix]
the Empire. The Pontiffs found themselves alone; the sole fountains of order, peace, law, and safety. And from the hour of this providential liberation, when, by a Divine intervention, the chains fell off from the hands of the successor of St. Peter, as once before from his own, no sovereign has ever reigned in Rome except the Vicar of Jesus Christ.. The moral import of this Divine action must be adequately appreciated. It cancelled, abolished, and extinguished finally and for ever the right of conquest, possession, occupation, and property claimed by the Emperors over Italy and Rome.
[pg. 11]
For three hundred years, then, the Church had over it, in Rome itself, a temporal power, to which it rendered obedience in all things that were lawful. In this it only obeyed the precept, “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.
But from the hour when Constantine, in the language of the Roman law, “Deo jubente,” by the command of God, translated the seat of empire to Constantinople, from that moment there never reigned
[pg. 12]
in Rome a temporal prince to whom the Bishops of Rome owed a permanent allegiance. From that hour God Himself liberated His Church. … It waited until such time as God should break its bonds asunder, and should liberate it from subjection to civil powers, and enthrone it in the possession of a temporal sovereignty of its own. Therefore, in that day when the first Christian emperor withdrew himself into the far East, he abandoned Rome and Italy; and the “donation” of Constantine, as it is called, expresses not a fact, but a principle. Constantine signed no instrument of donation; but the manner of conceiving and of speaking, in those simple ages, so represented the provi-
[pg. 13]
dential fact of the donation of God. God gave to the Vicar of His Son the possession of the city in which thirty of his predecessors has sealed their testimony with their blood. The donation of Constantine consisted in the simple providential fact, that he departed from Rome to Constantinople, moved by an impulse from God himself. It would delay me too long to dwell upon the motives which God implanted in the first Christian emperor, to impel him to abandon his sovereignty in Rome. They were motives of a supernatural origin, and he was but obeying a supernatural impulse. The donation was of God, and not of man. …
[pg. 16]
I say, then, that it was God’s own act which liberated His Vicar upon earth from subjection to temporal power; and that for twelve hundred years the Bishops of Rome have reigned as temporal princes. They have possessed their own. No man has given to them their sovereign rights. They reign there as Christian princes by the providence of God. They are the first example of a Christian monarchy, the first seed of Christian Europe, the first roll of Christian princes. When France was yet distracted by con-
[pg. 17]
flicting races, when England was divided by the Heptarchy, when Germany was a forest, and when Spain was a desolation, the Vicar of Christ already reigned as a sovereign prince in Rome.
[pg. 126]
It is true, indeed, that in the three centuries between the conversion of Constantine [312 A.D.] and the period of St. Gregory the Great [590-604 A.D.], in those three centuries of turbulence and disorder, invasion and warfare, by which Italy and Rome was afflicted, the temporal power of the Supreme Pontiff was only in its beginning; but about the seventh century it was firmly established, and that which the Divine Providence had prepared from the beginning received its full manifestation; and no sooner was the material power which once reigned in Rome consecrated and sanctified by the investiture of the Vicar of Jesus Christ with the temporal sovereignty over the city where he dwelt, than he began to create throughout Europe the order of Christian civilization,
[pg. 127]
Christian empires, Christian monarchies, which, confederated together, have maintained the peace and order of the world from that hour to this. What we call Christendom, that is to say, the great family of Christian nations, Christian races organised and knit together with their princes and their legislatures, by international law, mutual contracts, treaties, diplomacy, and the like, which bind them together in one compact body—what is this but the security of the world against disorder, turbulence, and lawlessness? And now for these twelve hundred years the peace, the perpetuity, and the fruitfulness of the Christian civilization of Europe, has been owing solely in its principle of this consecration of the power and the authority of the great Empire of Rome, taken up of old, perpetuated, preserved, and as I have said, by the salt which has been sprinkled from heaven and continued in the person of the Supreme Pontiff, and in that order of Christian civilization of which he has been the creator.
[pg. 182]
The conversion of the empire to Christianity, and then its removal, its banishment into the far East, freed the Vicar of Jesus Christ from temporal subjection; and then, by the action of the same Providence, he was clothed with the prerogatives of a true and proper local sovereignty over that state and territory and people so committed to his charge. From that hour, which I might say was fifteen hundred years ago, or, to speak within limit, I will say was twelve hundred, the Supreme Pontiff has been a true and proper sovereign, exercising the prerogatives of royalty committed to him by the will of God over the people to whom he is father in all things both spiritual and temporal.
Source: The Temporal Power of the Vicar of Jesus Christ, by Henry Edward Manning, D.D. (appointed Archbishop of Westminster in 1865 and Cardinal in 1875), second edition with a preface, published in 1862 in London by Burns & Lambert, 17 &18 Portman Street. (Online at Google Books)Take special note that Manning, who became a prince of the Roman Catholic Church, admits a twelve century rule by the Bishop of Rome, a twelve century period of temporal papal supremacy, that was well established by the seventh century.
In prophecy days are symbolic of years. The 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24 being the most commonly known example. Seventy weeks is 490 days, but actually means 490 years. If this is unclear to you please go to Time, Times, and Half a Time. See also the 70 weeks Diagram (16K GIF) The following verses then, refer prophetically to a period of 1260 years of apostasy prevailing in the church:
1260 Days
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
The two witnesses is a reference to the law and the prophets, the word of God. For 1260 years scriptural truth would be suppressed, obscured by the traditions of men.Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
The true church would flee persecution by the apostate church, and be sustained by God for 1260 years.42 Months
This period of 1260 days is also spoken of as 42 months:
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
The apostate church is referred to here as Gentiles, who will be dominant for 1260 years. Their judgment is to be delayed (measure not), not to be done until after the true church (temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein, v. 1) is judged in the pre-advent judgment.Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Blasphemy and persecution characterize the 1260 years of dominion of the apostate church.3 1/2 Times
The 1260 days are also referred to as 3 1/2 times:
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Again, these verses describe 1260 years of blasphemy, persecution, and apostasy, through which the true church would persevere and emerge from the wilderness at the conclusion of 1260 years.The 1260 Years Begin with the Implementation of Emperor Justinian’s Decree
Arian Ostrogoths under Theodoric had controlled Italy since 493, and had even imprisoned Pope John I, who died in Ostrogoth custody in Ravenna in 526. Catholic Emperor Justinian, who began waging open war with the Arians in the 530s, declared the Bishop of Rome the head of all Christian churches in 533, and commissioned his General Belisarius to destroy the Arian Vandals and Ostrogoths. The Vandals were defeated in 534 in the battle of Tricamarum. Turning his attention to the Ostrogoths, General Belisarius took Rome in December of 536, and under the direction of Emperor Justinian, deposed and exiled Pope Silverius who had been installed by the last Ostrogoth King of Italy, Theodahad, who had terrorized the clergy into electing his pro-Gothic candidate. Silverius died a prisoner. Belisarius installed Vigilius, a confidant of Empress Theodora, as the Bishop of Rome in March of 537. In quick reply, the Ostrogoths rallied and laid siege to Rome. When the siege was finally broken by General Belisarius in March of 538, the Ostrogoths withdrew from Rome in defeat, leaving it in the Emperor’s control, and Vigilius as the Bishop of Rome (who reigned until 555 A.D.). So it was in 538 A.D. that Emperor Justinian’s Decree of the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome over the Church could actually be implemented, beginning the prophetic 1260 years of temporal rule by the papacy.
Pope Pius IX gave this remarkable testimony:
La Chiesa Cattolica fondata e istituita da Cristo Signore per provvedere alla salvezza eterna degli uomini, avendo conseguito, in forza della sua divina istituzione, la forma di società perfetta, deve godere, nell’esercizio del suo sacro ministero, di quella libertà che la sottrae alla soggezione di qualsivoglia potere civile.
Poiché per operare liberamente, come era necessario, doveva fruire di quei supporti che rispondevano alle condizioni e alle esigenze dei tempi, per una speciale disposizione della divina Provvidenza avvenne che, quando l’Impero Romano si dissolse e fu diviso in vari regni, il Romano Pontefice, costituito da Cristo capo e centro di tutta la Chiesa, ottenne un Principato civile.
Questo fu disposto con somma sapienza da Dio stesso, perché in mezzo ad una tale moltitudine e varietà di sovrani temporali, il Sommo Pontefice disponesse di quella libertà politica che era indispensabile per esercitare, senza alcun impedimento, il suo potere spirituale, la sua autorità e la sua giurisdizione sul mondo intero. − Pius IX, Apostolic Letter Cum Catholica Ecclesia, March 26, 1860.
The Catholic Church which was founded and instituted by Our Lord Jesus Christ to procure the eternal salvation of men, has, by reason of this divine institution, the form of a perfect society. Therefore, she must possess liberty such that she cannot be subject to any civil power in the execution of her sacred ministry.
To act with freedom, as it is just she should, she has always needed the assistance which was suitable to the conditions and the necessities of the age. It is, therefore, by a particular decree of Divine Providence that, at the fall of the Roman Empire and its partition into separate kingdoms, the Roman Pontiff, whom Christ made the head and center of his entire Church, acquired civil power.
Certainly, it was by a most wise design of God Himself that in the midst of so great a multitude and variety of temporal princes, the Sovereign Pontiff enjoyed political liberty, which is so necessary for him to exercise his spiritual power, his authority, and his jurisdiction over the whole world.
Source: Papal Teachings: The Church, selected and arranged by the Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, translated by Mother E. O’Gorman, R.S.C.J., Manhattanville College of the Sacred Heart, St. Paul Editions, Boston, © 1980, 1962 by Daughters of St. Paul, Library of Congress catalog card number 62-12454, par. #225, page 160.See also: Early Church Fathers on the Timing of the Rise of Antichrist.
The 1260 Years End with a Head Wound to Papal Power
The “head wound” to papal power was inflicted in 1798 when General Berthier of France captured Pope Pius VI, who soon died in captivity in Valence, on August 29, 1799.
… when the French general L. Duphot was killed in a riot in Rome the Directory ordered the occupation of the papal states. On 15 Feb. 1798 General Louis Berthier entered Rome, proclaimed the Roman Republic and the deposition of Pius as head of state, and forced him to withdraw to Tuscany. For several months he lived at the charterhouse at Florence, cut off from almost all his advisers, but able to use the nuncio to Florence as secretary of state. The Directory planned to banish him to Sardinia, but his precarious health ruled that out. When war broke out afresh, fearful of attempts to rescue him, it had him conveyed from Florence (28 Mar. 1799) via Turin across the Alps to Briancon (30 Apr.) and then Valence (13 July). He died a prisoner in the citadel there, and was buried in the local cemetery; his body was then transferred to St. Peter’s, in Rome, in Feb. 1802.
Source: The Oxford Dictionary of Popes, by J. N. D. Kelly, Copyright 1986, published by Oxford University Press, ISBN 0-19-282085-0, page 302.[p. 439] EXTINCTION OF THE PAPACY
The object of the French directory was the destruction of the pontifical government, as the irreconcilable enemy of the republic. They urged their general to drive the pope and cardinals out of Rome. Bonaparte proposed to give the Eternal City to the King of Spain, on condition of his recognizing the French republic. Failing in this, he resorted to a system of pillage which exhausted its resources, and finally a democratical demonstration was got up at Rome in the accustomed manner, in which one of the French envoys was killed by the fire of pontifical troops. This misfortune afforded the desired pretext. The French army pouring in under Berthier planted the tri-color on the Capitol, while their Roman confederates displaying the famous insignia, S. P. Q. R., shouted for liberty. The aged pope [Pius VI] was summoned to surrender the temporal government; on his refusal, he was dragged from the altar, and the soldiers plundered the Vatican in presence of its owner. They stripped his own chamber: when he asked to be left to die in peace, he was brutally answered that any place would serve to die in. His rings were torn from his fingers, and finally, after declaring the temporal power abolished, the victors carried
[p. 440] DECLINE AND FALL OF THE PAPACY
the pope prisoner into Tuscany, whence he never returned (1798).
The Papal States, converted into the Roman Republic, were declared to be in perpetual alliance with France, but the French general was the real master at Rome. The citizens groaned under his terrible exactions, Churches, convents, palaces, were stripped to the bare walls. The works of art were all carried off. The territorial possessions of the clergy and monks were declared national property, and their former owners cast into prison. The papacy was extinct: not a vestige of its existence remained; and among all the Roman Catholic powers not a finger was stirred in its defence. The Eternal City had no longer prince or pontiff; its bishop was a dying captive in foreign lands; and the decree was already announced that no successor would be allowed in his place.
Source: Rome: From the Fall of the Western Empire by Rev. George Trevor, M.A., London: The Religious Tract Society, 1868, pgs. 439, 440.See also The Deadly Wound of Revelation 13:3 for more details.
Wound Heals and Papal Power is Restored
Napoleon had closed down the Catholic Church and the Papacy, it’s power was thought to be forever broken. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to the Pope and established it as a country in it’s own right in the Lateran Treaty. Today the Vatican (a church), has formal diplomatic relations with almost every country in the world.
March 10, 2020 at 12:37 pm#850534GeneBalthropParticipantBerean , the Catholic Church has “no” real power, no days, the Pope does not believe he is a God, never has. Please tell us of one person you know that worships him as a GOD, do you even know “ONE” person who does?
The 2: 7, says the “mystery” of “iniquity” does “already” work, anot here words ,this idea was already working at the very time of Paul. No what does the word “iniquity” mean, (illegality, that is, violation of law) what law? The ten commandments law, the first commandment is “you shall have no other God besides me”, you shall make no “image” of me in heaven or on earth. Get it? Changing the image of Jesus, a human being into a God, is an iniquity, it breaks the first commandment of God’s law. That thinking was already being implanted in the true church by the Gnostic’s, they were the original one trying to turn Jesus into a God. That succeeded in 325 AD, when Jesus was pronounced a God, and the trinity was born, which changed the “image” of Jesus into a God, who now sits in the temple of God being worshiped as a God. Why can’t you people see that? Are you that blind?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
March 10, 2020 at 9:17 pm#850537BereanParticipantGene
1) I am not a Trinitarian
2) but I believe that Jesus is God in infinity but not in personality, for the Father alone is the only true God (John 17:3).
Jesus is God= he has the divine nature of God his Father>>> John 1
Hebrews 1
God, in these last days, has spoken to us through the Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, through whom he also created the world,1:3 And who, being the reflection of his glory and the imprint of his person, and upholding all things by his mighty word, hath made a cleanse of sins, and sitteth at the right hand of the majesty of God in the highest places,
Concerning papacy
Read below:
“In the days of the apostle Paul, the Thessalonian brethren acted under the false impression that the Lord would return to their time, and Paul wrote to correct this erroneous idea, explaining to them what events were to take place before this coming. Therefore he said, “Let no one deceive you in any way, for the apostasy must have come beforehand, and the man of sin, the son of perdition, the adversary, must have appeared, who exalts himself above all that is called God or worshipped, even to the point of sitting in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God”.
Before the brethren could hope for the coming of Christ, the man of sin had to manifest himself and do his work of exaltation and blasphemy. This great event was to be produced by an apostasy, a form of antichrist would be revealed, and the leaven of apostasy would have to act as a growing power until the end of time.
Someone in the prophecy is called the man of sin. He is the representative of Satan. By accepting Satan’s suggestions about the law of God-which is as unchanging as the divine throne-this man of sin comes to announce to the world that he has changed the law, and that the first day of the week, instead of the seventh day, is now the Sabbath. By professing infallibility, he demands the right to change the law of God to suit his own purposes. In doing so, he exalts himself above God and lets the world infer that God is fallible. If he were certain that God made a form of government that required change, this would undoubtedly demonstrate his fallibility.
But Christ declared that “until heaven and earth pass away, not one iota or one stroke of the letter shall pass from the law. The work He came to do was precisely to exalt this law, and to show the created worlds and heaven that God is just and that His law needs no change. But here is the man, who is the right hand of Satan, ready to continue the work that Satan began in heaven, that is, to try to amend the law of God. And the Christian world has approved his efforts by adopting this son of the Papacy: the institution of Sunday. They have adopted it, and they will continue to do so until Protestantism extends its hand as a sign of friendship to the Roman power.
Then a law will be enacted against the Sabbath of God’s creation, and then God will perform His “strange work, … His unheard-of work” on the earth. God has long tolerated the perversity of the human race, He has tried to win them over, but the time will come when the cup of their iniquity will be full, then God will act. That time is almost upon us. God keeps a record of the nations: the numbers have increased against them in the books of heaven; and when a law is passed saying that the transgression of the first day of the week shall be punished, then their cup shall be full.The man of sin and the false Sabbath.
The man of sin exalted himself against God by sitting in the temple of God and presenting himself as if he were God. He trampled on the great memorial of God’s creation established to commemorate His work, and in his place he presented the world with an ordinary day of work. He established this day as a rival Sabbath to be observed and honored. In this way the world rose up against God because He sanctified His Day of Rest.
But even if all members of the human family accepted this son of the Papacy, Jehovah’s holy Sabbath would not be invalidated. Those who accept the false Sabbath exalt the man of sin and attack God’s government. But the man of sin will not be able to undo what God has declared to abide forever. The work that must be done now in our world is to exalt the law of the Lord and draw people’s attention to it. The time has come when the truth must be proclaimed against falsehood and error.
God’s estimate of papal power.
Popes have exalted themselves above the God of heaven by the way they have treated the Word of God. This is the reason why in prophecy papal power is called “the man of sin”. Satan is the origin of sin.The power that claims that any holy precept of God can be changed is the man of sin. Papal power has done precisely this work under the special guidance of Satan.
Although those at the head of the Papacy claim to have a great love for God, He considers them as hating Him. They have turned God’s truth into a lie. Altering God’s commandments and putting human traditions in their place is the work of Satan. This is how the religious world moves away from God, and He declares, “I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, who punishes the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Me. God will fulfill this word.”God bless
March 11, 2020 at 3:36 am#850538GeneBalthropParticipantBerean…..it doesn’t say “men” of sin , it says “man”, that shows it is a individual person. And what about all the protesdent churches they also teach us day as the day of worship.
Jesus is not a God in infinity, nor in personality. Jesus told us that God is a Spirit, and we must worship him in spirit and truth. JESUS ALSO SAID HE WAS NOT A SPIRIT, EVEN AFTER HIS RESURECTION.
The only thing that was changed from a man to a God by fallen christanity was the image of Jesus, he was changed from a man to a God. But true believers know Jesus had a God and it certanly was not himself. His God is our God, his father is our father. Jesus is the “only” man to has taken his seat, in the “true” temple of God and is being worshiped as a God. Not a false temple of the Catholic Church, or Protestant church either .
What your doing Berean is forcing texts to say what in fact they do not actually say. Bad form.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
March 11, 2020 at 6:21 am#850539BereanParticipantGene,
1) I speak not of men of sin in the plural, but in the singular.
2) What thou sayest of Christ IS
FALSECHRIST EXISTED IN THE FORM OF A GOD
BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD
SEE PHILIPIENS
HE COULDN’T HAVE BEEN THE WORLD’S SAVIOR IF HE HAD ONLY BEEN A MAN… …BECAUSE TO BE
MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN HE HAD TO BE ON BOTH SIDES …
BOTH GOD AND MAN AT THE SAME TIMETHE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE SON OF GOD IS FROM HEAVEN
AND
THAT HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO DO NOT HIS WILL BUT THE WILL OF THE ONE WHO SENT HIM. …
PAUL IN COLOSSIANS
For in him dwells bodily all the fullness of the Godhead.
Bodily = human body
Fullness of divinity = being God
This is a warning from the Apostle Paul that you must listen to
2:8 Take heed that no man make you his prey by philosophy and vain deceit, relying on the tradition of men, on the rudiments of the world, and not on Christ.
2:9 For in HIM dwelleth ALL THE PLENITUDE OF DIVINITY CORPORALLY.
Why should Paul warn his brethren
if there was no danger in believing such a lie that PULL DOWN CHRIST.AND WHY HAS PAUL DONE THIS ABOVE?
Colossians 2:2,3
that their hearts may be full of consolation, that they may be united in charity, and may be enriched with a full understanding to know the mystery of God, namely Christ,…IF THERE WAS NO MYSTERY IN CHRIST, PAUL WOULDN’T HAVE SAID THAT.
AND WHAT HE SAID WAS TIMOTHY TOO.
1 Timothy 3:16
And, without doubt, THE MYSTERY OF THE PIETE IS GREAT: which was manifested IN CHRIST, justified by the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed in the world, exalted in glory.Why did Paul say this if there is no mystery in Christ?
THE MYSTERY OF THIS WORLD IS CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY.
READ THIS FROM PAUL’S LIPS
I now rejoice in my sufferings for you; and what is lacking in Christ’s sufferings, I complete in my flesh for His body, which is the Church.
1:25 Of which I was made a minister, according to the office which God hath given me unto you, that I might fully preach the word of God,
1:26 THE HIDING MYSTERY of all times and in all ages, but now REVEALS to his saints,
1:27 To whom God hath pleased to make known the glorious riches of this mystery among the Gentiles: CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY.
IN THE BIGINNING WAS “THE WORD”, AND “THE WORD” WAS WITH (THE) GOD AND “THE WORD” WAS GOD.
2] The same was in the beginning with God.
3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7] The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[8] He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.In Him dwells bodily all the fullness of the divinity.” Men need to understand that the Godhead suffered and was anguished by the agony of Calvary. However, Jesus Christ, whom God gave for the redemption of the world, redeemed the Church with His own blood. The Majesty of Heaven had to suffer at the hands of religious fanatics who claimed to be the most enlightened people on the face of the earth.
In Christ dwelt bodily all the fullness of the Divinity. Therefore, though He was tempted in all things as we are, He stood before the world, since He first appeared there, without spot of corruption, though surrounded by it. Should we not also become partakers of this fullness, and is it not so, and only so, that we can overcome as He has overcome?
We lose much by not constantly meditating on the character of Christ .
March 13, 2020 at 10:22 am#850557BereanParticipantTo all
None of the angels could have become the guarantee of the human race: their lives belong to God, they could not have abandoned him. All angels bear the yoke of obedience. They are the messengers placed by Him who is the Commander of all heaven. But Christ is equal to God; He is infinite and omnipotent. He could pay redemption for man’s freedom. He is the eternal Son, who exists by Himself, upon whom no yoke has been placed; and when God asked, “Whom shall I send?” He was able to answer, “Here I am, send me”. He could compromise to become man’s guarantee, for he could say what the highest angel could not say: I have power over my own life, “I have power to give it, and I have power to take it back”.
God bess
March 13, 2020 at 10:22 am#850558BereanParticipantTo all
None of the angels could have become the guarantee of the human race: their lives belong to God, they could not have abandoned him. All angels bear the yoke of obedience. They are the messengers placed by Him who is the Commander of all heaven. But Christ is equal to God; He is infinite and omnipotent. He could pay redemption for man’s freedom. He is the eternal Son, who exists by Himself, upon whom no yoke has been placed; and when God asked, “Whom shall I send?” He was able to answer, “Here I am, send me”. He could compromise to become man’s guarantee, for he could say what the highest angel could not say: I have power over my own life, “I have power to give it, and I have power to take it back”.
God bess
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