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To ALL,
I am asking for confirmation, for all to acknowledge that our heavenly Father established the END FROM the beginning, and to share scripture that speaks of the END that had been established FROM the beginning.
Isaiah 46:
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
11Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness:
13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
To ALL,
This speaks of the END that had been established FROM the beginning,
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. 6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice’ den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. 10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
don’t forget what was written by Isaiah elsewhere,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness:
13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 OF this man’s seed hath God ACCORDING TO PROMISE raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
To ALL,
This speaks of the END that was established by our heavenly Father FROM the beginning.
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 OF this man’s seed hath God ACCORDING TO PROMISE raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
The END that was spoken by God, a PROMISE established FROM the beginning was our salvation coming from a man of the seed of David who would fulfill all of God’s will.
It does make sense that the one that God created the cosmos through would be used to redeem a fallen world. God certainly had a plan from the beginning of redemption for the age that chose not God as it was an inevitability given free will / choice. However, once it happened, the plan from the beginning was one of redemption and defeat of evil so that it would happen no more. What world will choose against God once it is educated by the lessons from our world? And given the irresistible love of God, it would seem unlikely that one would choose against this love and replace it for the suffering that we have had to endure coupled with the loss of one’s own soul.
Hi t8 and Ed J,
Thanks for posting!
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
You agree that before creation was even made that God knew exactly what was going to occur because His will would be accomplished? YES or NO?
22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfill all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his PROMISE raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
You agree that the son of David would fulfill all of God’s will, and such was a PROMISE that would have also been made along side God’s PROMISE of eternal salvation? YES or NO?
You agree that a PROMISE established by God, is the SAME as God declaring His WORD, and that whatever is IN that WORD that God gave He will certainly fulfill it?
Hi t8 and Ed J,
I hope you can answer my three questions above.
I would also like you to speak directly of this passage below,
Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that MAN whom he hath ORDAINED; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Ordain, Horizo, to define
to mark out the boundaries or limits (of any place or thing) 1b to determine, appoint that which has been determined, acc. to appointment, decree
to ordain, determine, appoint26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined (horizo) the times before appointed (horizo), and the bounds of their habitation;
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that MAN whom he hath ordained (horizo); whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
This passage directly tells you that,
God had used one blood to create all nations of men, and Jesus is one of those men, and as God had determined all times before appointed of man’s bounds of their habitation, Jesus is no exception, he was the man ordained that had been appointed before time began, to be the firstborn of the dead, his habitation was ordained to be the first man to enter into God’s kingdom and to judge those who would also join that habitation.
He is able to judge the world in righteousness BECAUSE he is the offspring of Jesse who was called to righteousness, where he would not judge by his own eyes and ears, but through God.
Hi t8 and Ed J,
You agree that before creation was even made that God knew exactly what
was going to occur because His will would be accomplished? YES or NO?Yes, “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” (Rev 13:8)
You agree that the son of David would fulfill all of God’s will, and such was a PROMISE that would have also been made along side God’s PROMISE of eternal salvation? YES or NO?
“41 And he (Christ) said unto them,
How say they that Christ is David’s son?
42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms,
The LORD (JEHOVAH) said unto my Lord (Christ), Sit thou
on my right hand, 43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
44 David therefore calleth him (Christ) Lord,
how is he (Christ) then his (David’s) son?” (Luke 20:41-44)No, Christ is God’s Son Jodi, not David’s son
Jodi…..I also believe God the Father, planned everything out before it ever existed, and caused it to come into existence and take place according to the time he purposed them to. I also believe Jesus never existed, until his part in that plan was ready to take place at the time of his birth on this earth. All thing work according to God’s time and purpose.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
You agree that the son of David would fulfill all of God’s will, and such was a PROMISE that would have also been made along side God’s PROMISE of eternal salvation? YES or NO?
“And he (Christ) said unto them,
How say they that Christ is David’s son?
42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms,
The LORD (JEHOVAH) said unto my Lord (Christ), Sit thou on
my right hand, 43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
44 David therefore calleth him (Christ) Lord,
how then is he (Christ) his (David’s) son? (Luke 20:41-44)Christ is God’s son Jodi, Mary was the daughter of David
Edj……The man Jesus is David Son, Jesus after his anointing became the son of God, just as we do, when we recieve the Holy Spirit, or haven’t you read, “brethern” know you not, that you (you their are anointed brethern) are the sons of God. Like us Jesus was the son of David according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit a son of God, just like we are also a Son of Man according to the flesh, and when we are born again “son’s of God”. If you notice closely JESUS SAID how is it that “Christ” IS his (David’s) son? He didn’t say the man Jesus wasn’t, “CHRIST” the ANOINTED is of GOD, FROM ABOVE, no longer just a son of man, but a begotten son of God, the same applies to us. Remember, “you must be born again”, from above as Jesus was.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Gene,
Once again you are being nothing more than a clanking bell.
Maybe you are right, maybe you don’t really have a “Free Will”Instead of responding to my posts,
you just reiterate your dogmas.
Think about what I say Gene.The bible says: “Let us reason together” but you
instead keep trying to force your beliefs upon us all.At least Jodi responds to what I say. If you, out of “Free Will”,
will respond to what I say, I will respond to what you say… Deal?Gene,
“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.”(Luke 2:11)
If you notice closely He didn’t say that the man Jesus was the savior that was born. NO,
he instead said: “CHRIST”, THE BREAD FROM ABOVE, was born in the “House of Bread”
See Micah 5:2: From everlasting came, Christ to “Bethlehem”, the Savior of the world____________
God bless
Ed JEdj……
I may be able to speak the languages of human beings and even of angels,
but if I have no love, my speech is no more than a noisy gong or a clanging bell.Edj……Why is the truth so irritating to you so?, when we disagree with you people, you start vomiting out your true nature. You are unable to respond to what I wrote in responce to you, so you start you usual garbage of a accusations . By the way the CHRISTO’S IS the Holy Spirit, and is the true bread “from” heaven, it came into the “man” Jesus when he was baptized at the Jordan river. You seem unable to seperate the anointing from the man that is anointed by it.
THE ANOINTING SPIRIT OF God “IS” THE SEED OF God the Father. He was and is in that way “in” Jesus, making him a Son of God. Jesus was not a son of God till he was born “again” spiritually at the Jordan river, from then on he was called a son of God. Before that he was known as the Son of David. The same applies to us, we must be born again exactly as Jesus was. We then are born from both man and God.
1 John 3:9….whosoever is “is born of God” does not commit sin; for his (God’s) seed remains in him: and he “cannot” sin, because he is “born” of God. Whatsoever doth not rightiousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
Peace and love to you and yours……..gene
Hi Ed J,
This thread is for giving passages of what the END is that God had declared FROM the beginning.
So let’s take your passage you gave and see how it fits.
Luke 20:40 And after that they durst not ask him any question at all. 41 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David’s son? 42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool. 44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son? 45 Then in the audience of all the people he said unto his disciples, 46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts; 47 Which devour widows’ houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.
YOU: Christ is God’s son Jodi, Mary was the daughter of David
ME: Yes of course the one anointed is God’s Son, God had promised David that He would beget his Son making him into His own Son. First you have the Son of Man, a human, then you have God begetting him of His Spirit.
Ed J, you have missed Jesus’s message entirely!!
How can Jesus being a son of David also be a master over David? The Father is to be the master over the son, so how is it that David would call his son his master?
David was given prophecy Ed J, he saw the END that God had established FROM the beginning. He saw his son die being a lamb without spot or blemish, because he was told that his son God would visit him, God would be mindful of him and make him a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death to then give him David’s throne. David saw that his son would die but that God would not allow his pure set apart flesh to see decay, that it would receive eternal life before such would occur, and he would become the firstborn of many brethren. David saw that his son went to sit at God’s right hand to prepare a place for him to dwell. David saw this Son of Man, his own offspring returning on the clouds raising him from the dead. David died in this hope, having faith in God that this was true, that the son of David is God’s Son according to the Spirit by the resurrection of the dead.
David had been given the will of God, what was to be an END to sin, suffering and death, a New beginning, all according to God’s plan that God had established FROM the beginning.
Ed J,
apply scripture with scripture,
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfill all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.”(Luke 2:11)
Ed J, this is quite simple,
The angel speaks of the child, as the child was known to be the son of David according to prophecy,
Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
John 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world. 15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him,Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 2:11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.
23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.
2 And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Ed J, the people recognized Jesus as the Christ, the anointed one, by his miracles. It was the son of David, of Jesse who God would rest His Spirit upon giving him the powers of His Spirit to heal the sick, raise the dead. Some of the people also knew the prophecy that this anointed one doing miracles because God was with him through His anointing Spirit, would be made king over the house of David, why when he did the miracles they wanted to take him and make him king.
Jesus was the son of David BORN again of God’s Spirit in fullness with power and was sent out into the world being led by God’s Spirit alone, only following God’s will and thus a Son of God, as those who are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God. God holds his hand and keeps him from sin, for as Gene had said God’s seed, His Spirit, would remain in him so that he could not fail, but be the lamb to be sacrificed without spot or blemish.
ED J, people didn’t believe Jesus was the Christ because he pre-existed, they believed he was the Christ because God had anointed Jesus of Nazareth according to a prophecy giving him the power to perform signs and miracles. They saw him as the son of David who God had promised He would beget and make him into His own Son.
Jodi……right on sis. Good job explaining things it to us all.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
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