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JustAskin said:
Quote What does verse 44, also say: 'I am Pharoah, and without your consent no man may lift his hand nor his foot in all the land of Egypt' How does this relate to God and Jesus? Well, what is 'Egypt' an analogy for? Is it not 'the Kingdom of God'? Can any man enter, set hand or foot, 'lift hand or foot', in the Kingdom of God except by authority of Jesus Christ?
JA,It is you anti-trinitatians that think that the Pharoah and Joseph is an illustration of the Father and the Son. My original point of the signet ring was only to show that Joseph's wearing it proved that he had EQUAL authority with Pharoah over the people. I was answering your argument that Jesus was not equal in authority with God over us. You now admit that Christ has equal authority with God over us so I PROVED MY POINT.
It was not my point to show that Joesph owned Pharoah's kingdom. Pharoah appointed Joseph ruler over a kingdom that was not Joesph's own. But Christ's kingdom is HIS OWN both by birthright and by purchase. Do you have any level of comprehension at all?
Joseph was not Pharoah's firstborn. Jesus is God's firstborn. Joseph did not purchase Pharoah's kingdom. Jesus purchased the kingdom of God with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus may manage HIS OWN kingdom as He sees fit! He is absolutely sovereign over HIS OWN property.
Wake up! Pharoah and Joseph in no way illustrates the relationship of the Father and the Son. It is unfortunate that we must put up with such incompotent commentary from novices like you.
The kingdom of God belongs to Christ both by birthright and by purchase price. This was not true of Joseph regarding Pharoah's kingdom was it?
Learn some reading comprehension skills. Get a little Bible education while you're at it.
You admitted that Jesus has equal authority with God over us. Now all you need to do is come to terms with the fact that unlike Joseph Jesus actually owns His kingdom free and clear. Even the anti-trinitarian NWT says so:
4 My reason is that certain men have slipped in who have long ago been appointed by the Scriptures to this judgment, ungodly men, turning the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for loose conduct and proving false to our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Note that the NWT capitalizes “Owner.” Jesus ALONE owns the kingdom of God. It is HIS OWN kingdom both by birthright and by purchase price. But your unrighteous god is going to “take away” the kingdom from Him.
I did not make you famous. You made yourself famous as a whiner. May I offer you like a little cheese with your whine?
You are to be pitied for the way you acted regarding your debate with WJ.
thinker
TT,
Thank you. I try to love you too.
If your words to me help release your inner anger, then, again, I thank you.First off, the kingdom that Jesus is ruling over is his Father's kingdom. That is why he hands it back to his Father after he has reconciled it.
TT, you may have noticed my posts are not full of complexity.
I don't go for much copy/pasting humungus blocks of text that, in reality, add very little to the topic and just makes it look like you are a good researcher. I guess you get marks in your assignment for such aspects.
For me, if you want a discussion you need to 'kiss' me!
The aspect of equality is only an area of contention as it was taken that you were saying that Jesus is equal to God (Equal to God??? See, It's still in my head. How can anyone be Equal to God, 'who is like me that they can compare me to, I know not one')
That is what I opposed.
It then came to me … that it is in the Power and Authority that Jesus is equal with God.
Note, this is not the same as equality AS God.
Jesus is never God and no claim can be made stating that he was/is.
One does not have to be God to wield the power and authority of God if God empowers them.What on earth or in the heavens does 'our only owner' mean. Where did you warp that from?
Jesus called them 'brothers' who will be heirs with him, Sons of God who will be their Father, and heirs to God also.When does Jesus OWN the kingdom, seeing that God never dies nor abdicates. And, in any case, it would not be Jesus' alone but EVERYONE of the elders, elect and those who walk in the way of God, following in the footsteps of Christ. These are relatively few in comparison with the multitude, the seas, that come after. The prior are just the ones Ruling with Christ IN his Fathers kingdom.
Oh, by the way, should I be continuing the pun on 'whiner','winner' and 'Cheese and whine', and add: 'TT, you are Crackers. Maybe you had butter go see to your wee-hiner!'
(moderators, please feel free to delete that last comment. Me and TT will Jack it in on that, agreed?)
TT,
I posted before I wanted to…I see where you morphed 'owner' from.
A master has servants. A servant is not 'owned' by the master. That is a 'Slave'.
A servant is free to leave, but must then find another master. A Slave is not Free.
Should those who are in Christ be 'a Slave' to him by him?, No, but one can be a Slave in Him from oneself.At the start, the disciples were 'slaves' to Christ because his Father chose them and 'gave' them to him.
At the end, Jesus released them from that slave bond and made them Brothers, and Heirs with him (Galations 3:26-29, 4:1-7)
2 Corinthians 5:15-21, 6:1.1 Corinthian 15:25, '…,when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father…'
This is the 'ring of Pharoah' being handed back to 'Pharoah'.
Is there a verse stating in it 'Kingdom of Jesus', or 'Kingdom of Christ'?
Is there one stating in it, 'Kingdom of God'?Jesus rules 'in' his Father's Kingdom (Ephesians 5:5)
JA…………You have it right Jesus' rule is driven by the Seven Spirits of GOD that are on him with powers and therefore His kingdom is the Kingdom of GOD and at the end of His rule He turns it over to GOD and becomes subject to GOD as all things will be.
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Gene,
Thank you for the support.
TT, do you never get the sneaking suspicion that you are ever wrong? about anything?
Is there ONE thing that you and WJ have said legitimately against me in all the time i have been here.
Do you ever get tired of failing against me?
Hi Thinker,
You said:
Quote You now admit that Christ has equal authority with God over us so I PROVED MY POINT. Once again, I see a trinitarian acknowledging that God and Christ are two separate beings.
You guys do it much more than you realize.One more point: What exactly was the gospel that Jesus proclaimed? Was it not that the kingdom of GOD was near? The fact that Jesus will rule as king in God's kingdom doesn't make the kingdom Jesus' anymore than the nation of Israel belonged to David when he was king. It was still God's nation.
peace and love,
mikeI hear tell that TT has gone way for a while – when he returns he will find his brand new house of cards empty and desolate… of Support against me — again – Just like WJ…
And yet, not me, but God's words – Praise JAH!
JustAskion said:
Quote First off, the kingdom that Jesus is ruling over is his Father's kingdom. That is why he hands it back to his Father after he has reconciled it.
JA, Please answer the folowing scriptures:4 My reason is that certain men have slipped in who have long ago been appointed by the Scriptures to this judgment, ungodly men, turning the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for loose conduct and proving false to our ONLY Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ. Jude 4, NWT
13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might PURCHASE us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself HIS OWN special people, zealous for good works. Titus 2:13-14
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. 2 Peter 1:10-11
Are these scriptures not clear? Jesus is our “ONLY” owner. He purchased as a people for “HIS OWN” and we may be granted entrance into the kingdom “OF” our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
You say that Jesus gives the kingdom back because it is the Father's kingdom. But Paul did not say that did he? You are putting words into Paul's mouth. Jesus bought us with His own blood. Therefore, He gives it back because He wants to give it back. It is Christ's kingdom to give back!
JA:
Quote TT, you may have noticed my posts are not full of complexity.
I have noticed that your posts are not of any substance at all.
JA:Quote It then came to me … that it is in the Power and Authority that Jesus is equal with God.
Note, this is not the same as equality AS God.
This is double talk. If Jesus is equal in power and authority with God then He is God to you. Come on! You say that “it came” to you?28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
JA:
Quote Jesus is never God and no claim can be made stating that he was/is.
One does not have to be God to wield the power and authority of God if God empowers them.
It seems as you and Thomas are in for a big fall out if you go to heaven. Thomas said,28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Your statement that Jesus is equal with God but not God is just more anti-trinitarian double talk.
JA:
Quote What on earth or in the heavens does 'our only owner' mean. Where did you warp that from?
What! Do you totally lack comprehension? I quoted the “only owner” statement right from an anti-trinitarian translation of Jude 4:My reason is that certain men have slipped in who have long ago been appointed by the Scriptures to this judgment, ungodly men, turning the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for loose conduct and proving false to our ONLY Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ. Jude 4 NWT
You guys take “only” literally in reference to the Father being God. But you don't take “only” literally in reference to Jesus being our Owner.
JA:
Quote When does Jesus OWN the kingdom, seeing that God never dies nor abdicates.
This question reflects your ignorance. The father in Hebrew culture did not have to die for the firstborn son to take full possession of the inheritance. The son could take full possession by the time appointed by the father. Paul CLEARLY said that as firstborn Jesus Christ is NOW the HEAD over His inheritance. And make no mistake. The kingdom is Christ's BY INHERITANCE which means that it is RIGHTFULLY HIS OWN.18 And He is the HEAD of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the supremacy.
SHOW FROM THE HEBREW MODEL THAT AN HEIR WAS “FORCED” TO GIVE BACK HIS POSSESSIONS. GIVE AN EXAMPLE WHERE A FATHER TOOK BACK THE INHERITANCE FROM HIS FIRSTBORN. A FATHER WOULD TRANSFER THE INHERITANCE FROM THE FIRSBORN TO THE SECOND BORN IF THE FIRSTBORN WAS DISOBEDIENT. DO YOU EXPECT THAT CHRIST WILL BE DISOBEDIENT?
DISOBEDIENCE IS THE ONLY CONDITION UPON WHICH CHRIST'S FATHER COULD “TAKE BACK” HIS INHERITANCE FROM HIM.
THEREFORE, THE ONLY LEGAL AND RIGHTEOUS WAY CHRIST'S FATHER CAN ACQUIRE BACK THE KINGDOM IS IF CHRIST GIVES IT BACK OF HIS OWN FREE WILL.
thinker
Wow TT, I knew you were gonna be mad but it seems like you gone ballistic.
What were you saying about “You can always tell who has lost the argument cos they get angry” – struth, man, Calm down:
“Chill, Winstan,”
– it's only your spiritual life we trying to save for you.Looks like you got a touch of the Blues.. Why do I get the feeling you not to happy about something – and to CAPIT-ALL it's not even for a valid cause!
The Father didn't have to Die … No, not for you cos you and WJ say that people don't die…that Jesus didn't die because he was God (And a God CANNOT DIE – see, I can forget to take my caps off to you, too!)
TT,
Jesus is the Head of the Church. The Church is the Body of God and we are it's Members of which Jesus is the head. I bet I know which member you are? But yet, ALL members are for a purpose for who can say “…, I don't need you?”
TT, let me ask you a question:
Are you the back end of an Ass? Just a simply Yes/No, please
(a pantomime donkey…) (Moderators – please hear me out?)TT,
Can I ask you these two q's;
– What was Pharoah's firstborn doing while Joseph – a not-firstborn was ruling instead of him?
– what does an able Spirited King do while his heir rules in his place?
Genuine inquisitive questions, no trickery.You keep implying that I am saying that Jesus is FORCED to hand back the kingdom or that his Father is going to TAKE it back. Where, in what I've written do you see that?
The Scriptures are Truth – and cannot be broken – If the CAPS fit, TT, beware – they are measuring your head for size.
Disobedience is the only reason why the Father WOULD (not Could) take back… Why would he want to do so if the the son was perfectly carrying out the rulership – that would say He had no confidence in the Son.
The story of Ahesereus/Haman/Mordecai in the Book of Esther is written Especially for you, TT.
HI TT,
IS GOD UNDER ANY LEGAL REQUIREMENTS?
WHICH LAWS DO YOU APPLY TO HIM, AND BY WHOSE AUTHORITY??Quote (JustAskin @ May 03 2010,13:02) TT, Can I ask you these two q's;
– What was Pharoah's firstborn doing while Joseph – a not-firstborn was ruling instead of him?
– what does an able Spirited King do while his heir rules in his place?
Genuine inquisitive questions, no trickery.You keep implying that I am saying that Jesus is FORCED to hand back the kingdom or that his Father is going to TAKE it back. Where, in what I've written do you see that?
The Scriptures are Truth – and cannot be broken – If the CAPS fit, TT, beware – they are measuring your head for size.
Disobedience is the only reason why the Father WOULD (not Could) take back… Why would he want to do so if the the son was perfectly carrying out the rulership – that would say He had no confidence in the Son.
The story of Ahesereus/Haman/Mordecai in the Book of Esther is written Especially for you, TT.
JA,I am not angry at all. Just because I tell you that you're “ignorant” does not mean I am angry. You did not answer any of my points. Paul said that the heir takes possession of the inheritance “at the appointed time of the father” (Galatians 4:2). Yet you say that the father has to die.
Your view is unbiblical and you make the title “heir” in reference to Jesus a meaningless title. For His Father will never die. So He would never take possession of the inheritance. If He is the “heir” then He must take possession of the inheritance. And Paul said that the heir takes possession at the “appointed time” of the father.
The “appointed time” for Jesus was at His resurrection. Therefore, He now owns all things even you.
You are Christ's property now. Deal with it!
Again, I am not angry. But I may as well get this off my chest. Uneducated people such as yourself should not be asserting dogmas but only ask questions and let those who know make the arguments.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 03 2010,13:37) HI TT,
IS GOD UNDER ANY LEGAL REQUIREMENTS?
WHICH LAWS DO YOU APPLY TO HIM, AND BY WHOSE AUTHORITY??
Nick,I have explained this before. God made a covenant to Christ (Galatians 3:17) and a covenant is binding. God cannot renig on His word because He is righteous.
The scriptures are replete with statements which indicate that God must keep His oaths. Is your “god” unrighteous Nick?
thinker
TT,
Galatians: 3:20: King James Bible
Quote Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
When God made the covenant between himself and Abraham he needed no mediator. He does not Mediator between parties (I believe you are arguing this with Mikeb).
But Jesus is the Mediator between God and Man. God does not Mediate between parties.vrs 21 … concerning the law…
Galatians: 3:22: King James Bible
Quote But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
The same that God promised to Christ, is also promised to all who believe in God and Christ .vrs:23-25…concerning the law …
Galatians: 3:26: King James Bible
Quote For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
They that believe by Faith (and not, nor despite, works, alone) are Children (SONS) of God – Just as Christ is Son of God (except Jesus is Begotten – first Son – in rank order)Galatians: 3:27: King James Bible
Quote For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ
Put on Christ: to become like Christ, imitators, Lamblings. This is not Slaves OF Christ – but Slaves TO Christ – by Choice (Servitude, for it is voluntary. A slave is not a volunteer)Galatians: 3:28: King James Bible
Quote There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus
They are one IN Christ – as Christ is One in God and One in them and them, One in God.Interlude: Tea break – 30 minute…
The “NAME” 'Jesus', apparently, was common in his time. There is even another Jesus who was an apostle. Our 'Jesus' was distinguished by the titles 'Christ' and 'the Nazarene'.So in reality we should always say “in the name (power of) Jesus Christ” or “…of Christ Jesus” or just “… of Christ” as there is only one 'recognised' Christ.
Purple was the color of Kings [outer draping].
Did Christ ever laugh?
how old was Adam when he sinned? 29…or so?
Would it be 'fair' to have had the same time as Jesus before being 'tested' with God's command.
I hear tell, that some say it was the SAME DAY he was created?
What a day, then, hardly time to find his feet:
Named all the animals;
Asked which animal he wanted as a companion – a mate(?) refused all;
Was put to sleep and had a rib removed;
Woke from surgery to find a Woman waiting for him to be an help-mate – bone of his bone – flesh of his flesh – pain … Love of his life, to his and our, Death in the flesh!;
Sinned by eating a forbidden fruit (Call it an apple – but it wasn't an apple, as we know it, captain!);
(Note that it was Eve who first ate of the fruit but it was to ADAM that God commanded to be in charge and it wasn't the fruit that brought sin into man but the disobedience against God's command)
Got thrown out of the paradise garden to till the dusty earth
– all in one day, before the sun set?Galatians: 3:29: King James Bible
Quote And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Repeat of verse 22. “Heirs”, Rulers in waiting – With Christ, because of belief by Faith In Christ, and God.Galatians: 4:1: King James Bible
Quote Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
How many “Heirs” are there – or is this figurative reality speech? Does it apply to all who are “Heirs”.
However… A child, even one of high wealth, has no notion of his estate, and for good reason, is treated as one without. May be called upon as like a menial, a servant, for learning of abeyance and the 'sting of being under law'.
Does this apply to Christ alone, or to all who would lay claim, through Faith in Christ, to be “Heirs” of God?Galatians: 4:1: King James Bible
Quote But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
When is that time – God alone know – Only God knows – Not even the angels, nor any Man, not even one (Christ) to whom it can be said “Your skills”… “are extra-ordinary”(Bruce Lee – enter the dragon – end of the dungeon fight scene)
At that time Christ Jesus will take up rulership of HIS FATHER's Kingdom, IN HIS FATHER's NAME, in the Power and Authority invested in him by His Father – and rule until such time as all other powers and authorities are brought to nought. At which time Christ will hand HIS Father's kingdom back to his Father, having accomplished the glorious task assigned to Him. In that time, Christ will also be gathering all the others promised to him by his Father who are those spoken of who will be heirs with him when he is given his own rulership as ETERNAL HEIR and Eternal PRIEST to his God and father.Galatians: 4:2: King James Bible
Quote They have to obey their guardians until they reach whatever age their father set
The writer has raised the sentence target from singular to plural (He – They) So it was always meant as figurative reality – we would say “One” – when One is a child …even one destined for greatness or born into wealth…
“Have to obey” – as said before – For good cause… this is not for punishment, but to learn constructive lawfullness, for how can one rule over another having had no learning of what it is to know obeisance and how to serve another.Galatians: 4:3: King James Bible
Quote Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Speaks for itself… (No, I'm not going to make a comment about the sentence speaking therefore it must be a person.. what do yo
u take me for?)Galatians: 4:4: King James Bible
Quote But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law
~ Interpret this as one wills – this is not a point of issue here ~Galatians: 4:5: King James Bible
Quote To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Adoption by God – From Man from Man in the Flesh to Man from God in the Spirit Sons of God, Rulers, Heirs, With Christ Jesus.
Please note that these are the ELECT, Do not call yourselves “WE” – at least only in hope and Faith – else you debase the works of the Saints, Disciples, Apostles, Prophets and Elders.Galatians: 4:6: King James Bible
Quote And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
TT, which one of you – WJ, may be, asked me if we had more than one Spirit in us? WJ, OK, I remember now. WJ – Yes, Spirit of Christ, Spirit of God (I knew just couldn't find it and it was here in one ya favourite quotes about ABBA Father!
Once more another emphasis concerning being SONS of God – Pushing the point constantly… Sons of God and therefore HEIRS WITH Christ…but Christ PreEminent as Begotten Son, Forst in Rank and not by birth (ADAM was the FIRST SON OF GOD by the Holy Spirit – Always the First is Usurped by the Second – the Second ADAM – Why named so “Adam, Son of God” in the Flesh by the Holy Spirit (Until he sinned – As Haman was first to King Ahesereus until he sinned and brought Death to God's beloved people.
His place was given to another (Mordecai, the Jew, who, through faith in God, rescued the Jews from certain death by Sacrificing their lives to fight their enemies, and thereby, save their lives- As Jesus sacrificed His life to save all, by the remission of 'original sin and the offer of Salvation by faith in Himself and God, his father) who faithfully fulfilled his tenury.)Galatians: 4:7: King James Bible
Quote Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
No more a “Servant” – hmmm – not a SLAVE then, not OWNED then – are Servants OWNED?
And once again – Not Twice – But Three time: (Is this the CHAISM Thrice. Three times for emphatic emphasis?)
SONS of God and therefore HEIRS of God through Christ – Through Him, for He is first by Rank order, preeminient, Begotten through the anointment (Hey, The Appointment by the Anointment – I like it it kinda Rhymes, eh?) of the holy Spirit which dwells in him WITHOUT Measure – of which They also partake By Measure.And there you have it.
TT, why did you post this to me to explain for you (This is not the first time either)?
Quote (JustAskin @ May 04 2010,05:42) TT, Galatians: 3:20: King James Bible
Quote Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
When God made the covenant between himself and Abraham he needed no mediator. He does not Mediator between parties (I believe you are arguing this
with Mikeb).
But Jesus is the Mediator between God and Man. God does not Mediate between parties.vrs 21 … concerning the law…
Galatians: 3:22: King James Bible
Quote But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
The same that God promised to Christ, is also promised to all who believe in God and Christ .vrs:23-25…concerning the law …
Galatians: 3:26: King James Bible
Quote For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
They that believe by Faith (and not, nor despite, works, alone) are Children (SONS) of God – Just as Christ is Son of God (except Jesus is Begotten –first Son – in rank order)
Galatians: 3:27: King James Bible
Quote For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ
Put on Christ: to become like Christ, imitators, Lamblings. This is not Slaves OF Christ – but Slaves TO Christ – by Choice (Servitude, for it isvoluntary. A slave is not a volunteer)
Galatians: 3:28: King James Bible
Quote There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus
They are one IN Christ – as Christ is One in God and One in them and them, One in God.Interlude: Tea break – 30 minute…
The “NAME” 'Jesus', apparently, was common in his time. There is even another Jesus who was an apostle. Our 'Jesus' was distinguished by the titles 'Christ' and 'the Nazarene'.So in reality we should always say “in the name (power of) Jesus Christ” or “…of Christ Jesus” or just “… of Christ” as there is only one 'recognised' Christ.
Purple was the color of Kings [outer draping].
Did Christ ever laugh?
how old was Adam when he sinned? 29…or so?
Would it be 'fair' to have had the same time as Jesus before being 'tested' with God's command.
I hear tell, that some say it was the SAME DAY he was created?
What a day, then, hardly time to find his feet:
Named all the animals;
Asked which animal he wanted as a companion – a mate(?) refused all;
Was put to sleep and had a rib removed;
Woke from surgery to find a Woman waiting for him to be an help-mate – bone of his bone – flesh of his flesh – pain … Love of his life, to his and our, Death in the flesh!;
Sinned by eating a forbidden fruit (Call it an apple – but it wasn't an apple, as we know it, captain!);
(Note that it was Eve who first ate of the fruit but it was to ADAM that God commanded to be in charge and it wasn't the fruit that brought sin into man but the disobedience against God's command)
Got thrown out of the paradise garden to till the dusty earth
– all in one day, before the sun set?Galatians: 3:29: King James Bible
Quote And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Repeat of verse 22. “Heirs”, Rulers in waiting – With Christ, because of belief by Faith In Christ, and God.Galatians: 4:1: King James Bible
Quote Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
How many “Heirs” are there – or is this figurative reality speech? Does it apply to all who are “Heirs”.
However… A child, even one of high wealth, has no notion of his estate, and for good reason, is treated as one without. May be called upon as like amenial, a servant, for learning of abeyance and the 'sting of being under law'.
Does this apply to Christ alone, or to all who would lay claim, through Faith in Christ, to be “Heirs” of God?Galatians: 4:1: King James Bible
Quote But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
When is that time – God alone know – Only God knows – Not even the angels, nor any Man, not even one (Christ) to whom it can be said “Your skills”…“are extra-ordinary”(Bruce Lee – enter the dragon – end of the dungeon fight scene)
At that time Christ Jesus will take up rulership of HIS FATHER's Kingdom, IN HIS FATHER's NAME, in the Power and Authority invested in him by HisFather – and rule until such time as all other powers and authorities are brought to nought. At which time Christ will hand HIS Father's kingdom back
to his Father, having accomplished the glorious task assigned to Him. In that time, Christ will also be gathering all the others promised to him by
his Father who are those spoken of who will be heirs with him when he is given his own rulership as ETERNAL HEIR and Eternal PRIEST to his God and
father.
Galatians: 4:2: King James Bible
Quote They have to obey their guardians until they reach whatever age their father set
The writer has raised the sentence target from singular to plural (He – They) So it was always meant as figurative reality – we would say “One” – whenOne is a child …even one destined for greatness or born into wealth…
“Have to obey” – as said before – For good cause… this is not for punishment, but to learn constructive lawfullness, for how can one rule overanother having had no learning of what it is to know obeisance and how to serve another.
Galatians: 4:3: King James Bible
Quote Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Speaks for itself… (No, I'm not going to make a comment about the sentence speaking therefore it must be a person.. what do you take me for?)Galatians: 4:4: King James Bible
Quote But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law
~ Interpret this as one wills – this is not a point of issue here ~Galatians: 4:5: King James Bible
Quote To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Adoption by God – From Man from Man in the Flesh to Man from God in the Spirit
Sons of God, Rulers, Heirs, With Christ Jesus.
Please note that these are the ELECT, Do not call yourselves “WE” – at least only in hope and Faith – else you debase the works of the Saints,Disciples, Apostles, Prophets and Elders.
Galatians: 4:6: King James Bible
JA,All your post above proves is that you know how to copy and paste. Bravo! You're gaining some technical skills. But you failed to address the core issues.
If Christ has to wait for His Father to die then He will never take possession of His inheritance for His Father will never die. Therefore, the name “heir of all things” in reference to Him is meaningless. If He is “heir of all things” then He must take full possession of His inheritance?
Do you disagree with the Mikeboll's NWT?
“My reason is that certain men have slipped in who have long ago been appointed by the Scriptures to this judgment, ungodly men, turning the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for loose conduct and proving false to our ONLY OWNER and Lord, Jesus Christ”
Is Jesus Christ our “ONLY OWNER” as Mikeboll's Bible says? Yes or No? Answer plainly!
thinker
TT, do you have a brain block.
I have purposefully gone through every applicable verse and explained , extrapolated, verbosed, clarified, concorded, the meaning of each – and you say “Well done for being able to copy and paste”
Well, what can I say. Thank you – you think too little, Thinker, This is not about you. It is for the edification of all, myself included.
I tell you a fine story: I was at school and got detention for something that was not my fault (Not 'really') but never the less, I was blamed.
The teacher told me to write out 100 lines of sommat or other.
I went home and got three pens and placed them between the fingers of one hand and wrote three lines at a time (I guess we all done that, eh? wasn't it fun thwarting the teacher who thwart we did them one at a time?)
Anyway, I dutifully brought the work to him and he didn't even look at it ….. but held it up and ripped it to pieces in front of me – “There,” he said, “That is all your hard work gone in exchange for the time you spent causing trouble” (I didn't bother protesting innocence – just bit the bullet for the real person)
He thwart that I would be upset at the destruction of the beautifully engraved, wonderfully crafted, time consumed graphological, multicoloured construction of a “99” line repeated one line essay (Yeah, was he going to count the line – ha!) Three pens times 33 times Plus one – Oh, I ran out of Ink, sir? and the shops were shut, sir, oh, now i remember, I forgot to bring that sheet, I'll just go get it, sir. Oh the dog ate it, it got wet and i had to use it to dry my hair before coming in to see you sir (It;s all false – I made all that up – You could tell couldn't you.?)
No, It was the journey, TT, not the arriving – I had done the work that my Master had given me to do and my reward was with me that I had accomplished – accomplished with joy and pleasure, endured, invented, challenged, prevailed, secured the prize – and it was within me, TT, within me – No one could take that away.
Tearing up the papers, nothing – not a twitter, only goes to show that he had set out to hurt me – not punish by the rules but be cruel in front of me – because that was what he was. because his name was Mr MOULD – the Chemistry teacher ………and he had been teased all his life by every student who came in front of him in class.
yes TT, he was angry – like you for being teased – he wanted to hurt, even those who had done nothing deserving such cruelty, yes, TT , to me… But you know what, It was the journey, it was a pleasure – and I saw God in that moment, that he was to be pitied for his shame.
TT, what can I say, my thwarts, stick for a moment….oh yes, did you answer the question about the ASS, are you the rear end of an ass (Donkey) It's part of a series of questions so you need to just say “NO” (see, I deleted the text I just wrote – pass me a sweety)Oh, talking of sweety, I see you “KISS” me in your last post “KEEP IT SWEET'n Simple”.
Why do you ask me to answer questions you are disputing with another – you have a Power fixation that goes beyond reasonableness.
TT, I have no issues with Mike that I should aire to you. Did we not High-Five each other – was that for show – really, TT, you have no idea of the undercurrent that is upon you while you swim carelessly in the raging waters. We throw you a lifeline and you refuse it for fear of saying – you were helped out of your affliction – what f…, what nonesense.
The journey through Galations was revealing – I thank you for taking me there – anything else you want to take me through – Try Ephesians… I would like to trawl that book but I need a hook and bait and there is no better 'baiter than you TT!
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