The cross….not the correct symbol for adoration

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2010,14:45)

Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,22:10) Pagan hunters, LOL I can understand why you would feel this way, some do come across a bit harsh. The article however, does acknowledge the origins, then in turn gives christians the authority to go ahead and celebrate. Nothing new under the sun LU. All the same LU, it is your choice. Backing up what some church fellow tells you, is fine with me, many do this. Study and find thy self approved is also good advice. Take Care LU, hoppy ishtar. Ya know Princess, If you want to acknowledge pagan customs and give them power and control who am I to keep you.  However, Jesus really did rise from the dead and Christians celebrate the Passover by celebrating the First Fruits which is Jesus' resurrection.  Passover was a spring season event.  I am sure that satan would like to mess with Christians who celebrate Easter by associating it with ishtar but I refuse to let him have any power over the Christian's celebration.  Many countries celebrate with us and do not call it Easter in their language.  So, how can the name be related to ishtar.  The name Easter came first before the fairy tales that you want to believe in.  Easter and ishtar both have a t and a r in the word…big deal.  Easter has the word “east” and the sun rises in the east, and Jesus rose just before sunrise…hence “Easter.”  The rising of the Son! Think lovely thoughts!  Seek God in things and think upon that which is good.  God says, “When you seek me, you'll find me when you seek me with all of your heart.” Jer 29:13 13 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. NASU

I find it strange that in fact we do celebrate the day of the pagan fertility goddess Ishtar, we call it Easter, and we make it Christian by telling ourselves we celebrate the resurrection; where in the Bible do you find the command to do that? did not Jesus command us to remember his death instead?

Georg

[Ed J]

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 14 2010,22:39)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2010,14:45) Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,22:10) Pagan hunters, LOL I can understand why you would feel this way, some do come across a bit harsh. The article however, does acknowledge the origins, then in turn gives christians the authority to go ahead and celebrate. Nothing new under the sun LU. All the same LU, it is your choice. Backing up what some church fellow tells you, is fine with me, many do this. Study and find thy self approved is also good advice. Take Care LU, hoppy ishtar. Ya know Princess, If you want to acknowledge pagan customs and give them power and control who am I to keep you.  However, Jesus really did rise from the dead and Christians celebrate the Passover by celebrating the First Fruits which is Jesus' resurrection.  Passover was a spring season event.  I am sure that satan would like to mess with Christians who celebrate Easter by associating it with ishtar but I refuse to let him have any power over the Christian's celebration.  Many countries celebrate with us and do not call it Easter in their language.  So, how can the name be related to ishtar.  The name Easter came first before the fairy tales that you want to believe in.  Easter and ishtar both have a t and a r in the word…big deal.  Easter has the word “east” and the sun rises in the east, and Jesus rose just before sunrise…hence “Easter.”  The rising of the Son! Think lovely thoughts!  Seek God in things and think upon that which is good.  God says, “When you seek me, you'll find me when you seek me with all of your heart.” Jer 29:13 13 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. NASU I find it strange that in fact we do celebrate the day of the pagan fertility goddess Ishtar, we call it Easter, and we make it Christian by telling ourselves we celebrate the resurrection; where in the Bible do you find the command to do that? did not Jesus command us to remember his death instead? Georg

Hi Georg,

Are you forgetting that “The Passover” and 'easter' are celebrated “around the same time” of the “Year”?
Acts:12:4: And when he had apprehended him, he put him (Jesus) in prison, and delivered him to four
                quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,06:58)

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 14 2010,22:39) Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2010,14:45) Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,22:10) Pagan hunters, LOL I can understand why you would feel this way, some do come across a bit harsh. The article however, does acknowledge the origins, then in turn gives Christians the authority to go ahead and celebrate. Nothing new under the sun LU. All the same LU, it is your choice. Backing up what some church fellow tells you, is fine with me, many do this. Study and find thy self approved is also good advice. Take Care LU, hoppy ishtar. Ya know Princess, If you want to acknowledge pagan customs and give them power and control who am I to keep you.  However, Jesus really did rise from the dead and Christians celebrate the Passover by celebrating the First Fruits which is Jesus' resurrection.  Passover was a spring season event.  I am sure that satan would like to mess with Christians who celebrate Easter by associating it with ishtar but I refuse to let him have any power over the Christian's celebration.  Many countries celebrate with us and do not call it Easter in their language.  So, how can the name be related to ishtar.  The name Easter came first before the fairy tales that you want to believe in.  Easter and ishtar both have a t and a r in the word…big deal.  Easter has the word “east” and the sun rises in the east, and Jesus rose just before sunrise…hence “Easter.”  The rising of the Son! Think lovely thoughts!  Seek God in things and think upon that which is good.  God says, “When you seek me, you'll find me when you seek me with all of your heart.” Jer 29:13 13 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. NASU I find it strange that in fact we do celebrate the day of the pagan fertility goddess Ishtar, we call it Easter, and we make it Christian by telling ourselves we celebrate the resurrection; where in the Bible do you find the command to do that? did not Jesus command us to remember his death instead? Georg Hi Georg, Are you forgetting that “The Passover” and 'easter' are celebrated “around the same time” of the “Year”? Acts:12:4: And when he had apprehended him, he put him (Jesus) in prison, and delivered him to four                 quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed.  Not mainstream Christianity!!!! Only the Jewish People and some former W.W. Church of God do…But they also believe that you have to keep the Sabbath, which is the Old Covenant and not the New In Luke 22:20. Easter has nothing to do with Passover.  It is the command to keep Passover and not Easter.  Easter has always been Pagan…..I remember one Easter when we belonged to the Catholic Church the Priest had everyone bring their Easter Baskets so He could bless them….And watch who signs the Post, it is not Georg its Irene
Irene

[princess of the king]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2010,14:45)

Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,22:10) Pagan hunters, LOL I can understand why you would feel this way, some do come across a bit harsh. The article however, does acknowledge the origins, then in turn gives christians the authority to go ahead and celebrate. Nothing new under the sun LU. All the same LU, it is your choice. Backing up what some church fellow tells you, is fine with me, many do this. Study and find thy self approved is also good advice. Take Care LU, hoppy ishtar. Ya know Princess, If you want to acknowledge pagan customs and give them power and control who am I to keep you.  However, Jesus really did rise from the dead and Christians celebrate the Passover by celebrating the First Fruits which is Jesus' resurrection.  Passover was a spring season event.  I am sure that satan would like to mess with Christians who celebrate Easter by associating it with ishtar but I refuse to let him have any power over the Christian's celebration.  Many countries celebrate with us and do not call it Easter in their language.  So, how can the name be related to ishtar.  The name Easter came first before the fairy tales that you want to believe in.  Easter and ishtar both have a t and a r in the word…big deal.  Easter has the word “east” and the sun rises in the east, and Jesus rose just before sunrise…hence “Easter.”  The rising of the Son! Think lovely thoughts!  Seek God in things and think upon that which is good.  God says, “When you seek me, you'll find me when you seek me with all of your heart.” Jer 29:13 13 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. NASU

What I do know LU, is that I do not have to defend my belief in easter as you do, so the power has been given to you.

You perhaps are one to believe that your jesus was born on December 25th. Funny, how jesus birthday is always on the same day, and easter changes year to year, why is that LU?

You make mention of east, strange, the sun rises in the east, what other god is worshiped in regards to the rising sun, perhaps Ra, the egyptian god.

Ancient practices were firmly in place before easter, christmas so forth and so on, Christians felt left out, like their god was inferior of some sort perhaps, so they had to stay in the running with the others, so copycat the festival only add their spin on it. Most indeed that is why some consider jesus to be a god also, multiple gods mean they have more power.  Can't let those pagans seem more powerful, who will fill the temple offering plate.

Most who believe that jesus is god, can understand the festivals that christians created. Most other gods needed the recognition also, mainly the followers of the god have to prove their god is the most powerful. Like I said before nothing new under the sun.

………… the children of the Father are his fragrance.

[Lightenup]

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 14 2010,06:39)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2010,14:45) Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,22:10) Pagan hunters, LOL I can understand why you would feel this way, some do come across a bit harsh. The article however, does acknowledge the origins, then in turn gives christians the authority to go ahead and celebrate. Nothing new under the sun LU. All the same LU, it is your choice. Backing up what some church fellow tells you, is fine with me, many do this. Study and find thy self approved is also good advice. Take Care LU, hoppy ishtar. Ya know Princess, If you want to acknowledge pagan customs and give them power and control who am I to keep you.  However, Jesus really did rise from the dead and Christians celebrate the Passover by celebrating the First Fruits which is Jesus' resurrection.  Passover was a spring season event.  I am sure that satan would like to mess with Christians who celebrate Easter by associating it with ishtar but I refuse to let him have any power over the Christian's celebration.  Many countries celebrate with us and do not call it Easter in their language.  So, how can the name be related to ishtar.  The name Easter came first before the fairy tales that you want to believe in.  Easter and ishtar both have a t and a r in the word…big deal.  Easter has the word “east” and the sun rises in the east, and Jesus rose just before sunrise…hence “Easter.”  The rising of the Son! Think lovely thoughts!  Seek God in things and think upon that which is good.  God says, “When you seek me, you'll find me when you seek me with all of your heart.” Jer 29:13 13 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. NASU I find it strange that in fact we do celebrate the day of the pagan fertility goddess Ishtar, we call it Easter, and we make it Christian by telling ourselves we celebrate the resurrection; where in the Bible do you find the command to do that? did not Jesus command us to remember his death instead? Georg

Georg,

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Ex 12:23-24 23 “For the Lord will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer to come in to your houses to smite you. 24 “And you shall observe this event as an ordinance for you and your children forever. NASU

The passover includes the death of the lamb and the unleavened bread and the first fruits during a feast that lasts over a week in the spring. This event is to be observed forever. The Resurrection Day and Holy Communion is the Christian's observation of the Passover season. The resurrection day is actually commemorating the “first fruits” part of the Passover season which was always held on the day after the first weekly Sabbath after the Passover feast.

If you a problem with the name “Easter” just change the name to “Resurrection Day” or “The First Fruits of Passover” or “The First Fruits of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.” If hiding eggs tempts you to feel like you are honoring a pagan goddess, then don't do that.

There is no need to stop celebrating the Resurrection Day with the Body of Christ because it is named Easter. Most countries don't call it Easter. Call it something else.

Maybe someday as the Jew and Gentile believers become the “one new man” the celebration will become more accurate but until then, we can still celebrate the event of Passover season.

[Lightenup]

Quote (princess of the king @ April 14 2010,18:37)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2010,14:45) Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,22:10) Pagan hunters, LOL I can understand why you would feel this way, some do come across a bit harsh. The article however, does acknowledge the origins, then in turn gives christians the authority to go ahead and celebrate. Nothing new under the sun LU. All the same LU, it is your choice. Backing up what some church fellow tells you, is fine with me, many do this. Study and find thy self approved is also good advice. Take Care LU, hoppy ishtar. Ya know Princess, If you want to acknowledge pagan customs and give them power and control who am I to keep you.  However, Jesus really did rise from the dead and Christians celebrate the Passover by celebrating the First Fruits which is Jesus' resurrection.  Passover was a spring season event.  I am sure that satan would like to mess with Christians who celebrate Easter by associating it with ishtar but I refuse to let him have any power over the Christian's celebration.  Many countries celebrate with us and do not call it Easter in their language.  So, how can the name be related to ishtar.  The name Easter came first before the fairy tales that you want to believe in.  Easter and ishtar both have a t and a r in the word…big deal.  Easter has the word “east” and the sun rises in the east, and Jesus rose just before sunrise…hence “Easter.”  The rising of the Son! Think lovely thoughts!  Seek God in things and think upon that which is good.  God says, “When you seek me, you'll find me when you seek me with all of your heart.” Jer 29:13 13 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. NASU What I do know LU, is that I do not have to defend my belief in easter as you do, so the power has been given to you. You perhaps are one to believe that your jesus was born on December 25th. Funny, how jesus birthday is always on the same day, and easter changes year to year, why is that LU? You make mention of east, strange, the sun rises in the east, what other god is worshiped in regards to the rising sun, perhaps Ra, the egyptian god. Ancient practices were firmly in place before easter, christmas so forth and so on, Christians felt left out, like their god was inferior of some sort perhaps, so they had to stay in the running with the others, so copycat the festival only add their spin on it. Most indeed that is why some consider jesus to be a god also, multiple gods mean they have more power.  Can't let those pagans seem more powerful, who will fill the temple offering plate. Most who believe that jesus is god, can understand the festivals that christians created. Most other gods needed the recognition also, mainly the followers of the god have to prove their god is the most powerful. Like I said before nothing new under the sun. ………… the children of the Father are his fragrance.

Princess,

You said:

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What I do know LU, is that I do not have to defend my belief in easter as you do, so the power has been given to you.

It is sad that on a Christian message board that the Resurrection Day has to be defended that it is part of the Passover season that was to be observed forever. It is sad that the name “easter” is used to try to guilt observers of the Resurrection Day as if they are doing something wrong in celebrating as a church body.

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You perhaps are one to believe that your jesus was born on December 25th. Funny, how jesus birthday is always on the same day, and easter changes year to year, why is that LU?

Easter is always on the first day of the week and therefore the date changes.
Christmas can fall on any day of the week so it doesn't have to change.

Btw, I tend to believe that Jesus was born in September. I also believe that Dec. 25th is a good date for the supernatural conception when the Messiah began on this earth. I think that Christmas is about a story of the Son of God becoming flesh and not about a one day event, i.e. the birth. Dec. 25th was the first day of Hanukah and God did important things during the feasts.

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You make mention of east, strange, the sun rises in the east, what other god is worshiped in regards to the rising sun, perhaps Ra, the egyptian god.

Wow, you sure know your gods, maybe you should get to know the Godhead that placed the sun to appear to rise in the east.

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Most who believe that jesus is god, can understand the festivals that christians created. Most other gods needed the recognition also, mainly the followers of the god have to prove their god is the most powerful. Like I said before nothing new under the sun.

Oh, know I see, you need a further revelation of who Jesus is. That explains a lot, thanks. Maybe this will help:

John 1:18

NET ©
No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 2 the Father, has made God known.

NIV ©
No-one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.

NASB ©
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

NLT ©
No one has ever seen God. But his only Son, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart; he has told us about him.

[princess of the king]

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It is sad that on a Christian message board that the Resurrection Day has to be defended that it is part of the Passover season that was to be observed forever.  It is sad that the name “easter” is used to try to guilt observers of the Resurrection Day as if they are doing something wrong in celebrating as a church body.

It is you who keep changing the name of your celebration to suit the needs of others, not I.
I cannot apply guilt to anyone, this is of one's own accord, to make mention of it, only implies what one feels.

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Easter is always on the first day of the week and therefore the date changes. Christmas can fall on any day of the week so it doesn't have to change.

Easter is always after the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox. Why should christmas be any different, maybe the first Sunday after the first full moon after winter solice, keep them constant at least would you not think.

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Btw, I tend to believe that Jesus was born in September.  I also believe that Dec. 25th is a good date for the supernatural conception when the Messiah began on this earth.  I think that Christmas is about a story of the Son of God becoming flesh and not about a one day event, i.e. the birth.  Dec. 25th was the first day of Hanukah and God did important things during the feasts.

So you celebrate your gods' birthday months later due to the supernatural. Not very sound teaching LU.
You jump back and forth a lot, from christianity to jewish traditions, is this to confirm a belief that carries much doubt. Hanukkah is not in the text either.

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Wow, you sure know your gods, maybe you should get to know the Godhead that placed the sun to appear to rise in the east.

Studying has brought much, mixing gods to form one god is so ancient, that it is surprising that ones are so ignorant of the fact. However, my god is not a vain god, as your sounds to be, or is it the followers of your godhead that are vain, haven't really given it much thought, till now. Thank you, it must be of some importance.

By the by, if you are so adamant about showing text to support easter, do you carry the same with sabbath since texts state the same is required.

Just for some insight visit this site, and tell me where your differences lie.
They too use scripture to adhere to what they believe and say it is alright.

Now if you reply that they do not understand, then you have come to my understanding of what you present.

Oh, I know who your jesus is, he is your human god, you bear crosses to show who you serve, follow man made traditions, and combine him with other gods to create a godhead. That would be him, yes. I even believe you have a creed you go by.

Did I leave anything out?

[Lightenup]

Wow, a princess of what king? What a negative spirit you post with. You need more of a revelation than I thought.

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 15 2010,10:58)

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 14 2010,06:39) Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2010,14:45) Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,22:10) Pagan hunters, LOL I can understand why you would feel this way, some do come across a bit harsh. The article however, does acknowledge the origins, then in turn gives christians the authority to go ahead and celebrate. Nothing new under the sun LU. All the same LU, it is your choice. Backing up what some church fellow tells you, is fine with me, many do this. Study and find thy self approved is also good advice. Take Care LU, hoppy ishtar. Ya know Princess, If you want to acknowledge pagan customs and give them power and control who am I to keep you.  However, Jesus really did rise from the dead and Christians celebrate the Passover by celebrating the First Fruits which is Jesus' resurrection.  Passover was a spring season event.  I am sure that satan would like to mess with Christians who celebrate Easter by associating it with ishtar but I refuse to let him have any power over the Christian's celebration.  Many countries celebrate with us and do not call it Easter in their language.  So, how can the name be related to ishtar.  The name Easter came first before the fairy tales that you want to believe in.  Easter and ishtar both have a t and a r in the word…big deal.  Easter has the word “east” and the sun rises in the east, and Jesus rose just before sunrise…hence “Easter.”  The rising of the Son! Think lovely thoughts!  Seek God in things and think upon that which is good.  God says, “When you seek me, you'll find me when you seek me with all of your heart.” Jer 29:13 13 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. NASU I find it strange that in fact we do celebrate the day of the pagan fertility goddess Ishtar, we call it Easter, and we make it Christian by telling ourselves we celebrate the resurrection; where in the Bible do you find the command to do that? did not Jesus command us to remember his death instead? Georg Georg, Quote Ex 12:23-24 23 “For the Lord will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer to come in to your houses to smite you. 24 “And you shall observe this event as an ordinance for you and your children forever. NASU The passover includes the death of the lamb and the unleavened bread and the first fruits during a feast that lasts over a week in the spring.  This event is to be observed forever.  The Resurrection Day and Holy Communion is the Christian's observation of the Passover season.  The resurrection day is actually commemorating the “first fruits” part of the Passover season which was always held on the day after the first weekly Sabbath after the Passover feast. If you a problem with the name “Easter” just change the name to “Resurrection Day” or “The First Fruits of Passover” or “The First Fruits of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.”  If hiding eggs tempts you to feel like you are honoring a pagan goddess, then don't do that. There is no need to stop celebrating the Resurrection Day with the Body of Christ because it is named Easter.  Most  countries don't call it Easter.  Call it something else.   Maybe someday as the Jew and Gentile believers become the “one new man” the celebration will become more accurate but until then, we can still celebrate the event of Passover season.

Kathi! Show me a Scriptures that teach us to keep the resurrecting? There is none. Only the Passover is Scriptual….THe days of Unleavened Bread is an Old Covenant Festival. At that time the Jewish People did keep it and that is why they had to hurry up and get Jesus of the cross and burried Him, befoe Sundown, when the First Day of Unleavenend Bread started, which was an Annual Sabbath Day….count the days and nights, no good Friday…..
Irene

[Lightenup]

Irene,
Learn about the first fruits of the Passover season. It is also what was to be kept from one generation to another forever. It is a type of the resurrection and of Christ being the first fruit from the dead. The First Fruits was on the first day after the weekly Sabboth after the Passover feast.

Can you show me where any of God's feasts were not to be observed from generation to generation for ever?

BTW, I do realize that Friday was not the day of the crucifixion. I have stated that it was most likely on Thursday.

Kathi

[princess of the king]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 15 2010,16:02)

Wow, a princess of what king?  What a negative spirit you post with.  You need more of a revelation than I thought.

The wisdom of truth is sought after, not bending to every doctrine.

It quite apparent though, if one can combine gods, then it nothing to combine traditions.

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 15 2010,11:49)

Quote (princess of the king @ April 14 2010,18:37) Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2010,14:45) Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,22:10) Pagan hunters, LOL I can understand why you would feel this way, some do come across a bit harsh. The article however, does acknowledge the origins, then in turn gives christians the authority to go ahead and celebrate. Nothing new under the sun LU. All the same LU, it is your choice. Backing up what some church fellow tells you, is fine with me, many do this. Study and find thy self approved is also good advice. Take Care LU, hoppy ishtar. Ya know Princess, If you want to acknowledge pagan customs and give them power and control who am I to keep you.  However, Jesus really did rise from the dead and Christians celebrate the Passover by celebrating the First Fruits which is Jesus' resurrection.  Passover was a spring season event.  I am sure that satan would like to mess with Christians who celebrate Easter by associating it with ishtar but I refuse to let him have any power over the Christian's celebration.  Many countries celebrate with us and do not call it Easter in their language.  So, how can the name be related to ishtar.  The name Easter came first before the fairy tales that you want to believe in.  Easter and ishtar both have a t and a r in the word…big deal.  Easter has the word “east” and the sun rises in the east, and Jesus rose just before sunrise…hence “Easter.”  The rising of the Son! Think lovely thoughts!  Seek God in things and think upon that which is good.  God says, “When you seek me, you'll find me when you seek me with all of your heart.” Jer 29:13 13 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. NASU What I do know LU, is that I do not have to defend my belief in easter as you do, so the power has been given to you. You perhaps are one to believe that your jesus was born on December 25th. Funny, how jesus birthday is always on the same day, and easter changes year to year, why is that LU? You make mention of east, strange, the sun rises in the east, what other god is worshiped in regards to the rising sun, perhaps Ra, the egyptian god. Ancient practices were firmly in place before easter, christmas so forth and so on, Christians felt left out, like their god was inferior of some sort perhaps, so they had to stay in the running with the others, so copycat the festival only add their spin on it. Most indeed that is why some consider jesus to be a god also, multiple gods mean they have more power.  Can't let those pagans seem more powerful, who will fill the temple offering plate. Most who believe that jesus is god, can understand the festivals that christians created. Most other gods needed the recognition also, mainly the followers of the god have to prove their god is the most powerful. Like I said before nothing new under the sun. ………… the children of the Father are his fragrance. Princess, You said: Quote What I do know LU, is that I do not have to defend my belief in easter as you do, so the power has been given to you. It is sad that on a Christian message board that the Resurrection Day has to be defended that it is part of the Passover season that was to be observed forever.  It is sad that the name “easter” is used to try to guilt observers of the Resurrection Day as if they are doing something wrong in celebrating as a church body. Quote You perhaps are one to believe that your jesus was born on December 25th. Funny, how jesus birthday is always on the same day, and easter changes year to year, why is that LU? Easter is always on the first day of the week and therefore the date changes. Christmas can fall on any day of the week so it doesn't have to change. Btw, I tend to believe that Jesus was born in September.  I also believe that Dec. 25th is a good date for the supernatural conception when the Messiah began on this earth.  I think that Christmas is about a story of the Son of God becoming flesh and not about a one day event, i.e. the birth.  Dec. 25th was the first day of Hanukah and God did important things during the feasts. Quote You make mention of east, strange, the sun rises in the east, what other god is worshiped in regards to the rising sun, perhaps Ra, the egyptian god. Wow, you sure know your gods, maybe you should get to know the Godhead that placed the sun to appear to rise in the east. Quote Most who believe that jesus is god, can understand the festivals that christians created. Most other gods needed the recognition also, mainly the followers of the god have to prove their god is the most powerful. Like I said before nothing new under the sun. Oh, know I see, you need a further revelation of who Jesus is.  That explains a lot, thanks.  Maybe this will help: John 1:18 NET © No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 2  the Father, has made God known. NIV © No-one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NASB © No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. NLT © No one has ever seen God. But his only Son, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart; he has told us about him.

Kathi! It is also sad that some will do anything to go along with Mainstream Christianity. Only the Passover is mentioned in the Bible to keep, and not the resurrection. Why is that? I believe because the New Covenant is in His Blood and not His resurrection.
Luke 22:20 This cup is the new covenant in My blood which is shed for you.
Easter and Christmas is both Pagan….Give them power? Is that not what you do? And you want to keep both, even tho Christ was not born on Dec. 25 and His resurrection. While you do not ke
ep Passover which you should keep…..do you? And Kathi, those so called Christians what you say, Scriptures say that they who believe in a trinity worship in vain. Math. 15:9
And where in the world does it say to celebrate the firstfruits on Easter? That is a new one….. just like what you said about Christmas…. Of course other Country's would not say Easter. Let me see in German its Ostern…. Good Luck Kathi I am deeply disappointed in you….I know already whatever someone says to you is not going to make a difference either…so sad…
Peace and Love Irene

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,06:58)

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 14 2010,22:39) Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2010,14:45) Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,22:10) Pagan hunters, LOL I can understand why you would feel this way, some do come across a bit harsh. The article however, does acknowledge the origins, then in turn gives christians the authority to go ahead and celebrate. Nothing new under the sun LU. All the same LU, it is your choice. Backing up what some church fellow tells you, is fine with me, many do this. Study and find thy self approved is also good advice. Take Care LU, hoppy ishtar. Ya know Princess, If you want to acknowledge pagan customs and give them power and control who am I to keep you.  However, Jesus really did rise from the dead and Christians celebrate the Passover by celebrating the First Fruits which is Jesus' resurrection.  Passover was a spring season event.  I am sure that satan would like to mess with Christians who celebrate Easter by associating it with ishtar but I refuse to let him have any power over the Christian's celebration.  Many countries celebrate with us and do not call it Easter in their language.  So, how can the name be related to ishtar.  The name Easter came first before the fairy tales that you want to believe in.  Easter and ishtar both have a t and a r in the word…big deal.  Easter has the word “east” and the sun rises in the east, and Jesus rose just before sunrise…hence “Easter.”  The rising of the Son! Think lovely thoughts!  Seek God in things and think upon that which is good.  God says, “When you seek me, you'll find me when you seek me with all of your heart.” Jer 29:13 13 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. NASU I find it strange that in fact we do celebrate the day of the pagan fertility goddess Ishtar, we call it Easter, and we make it Christian by telling ourselves we celebrate the resurrection; where in the Bible do you find the command to do that? did not Jesus command us to remember his death instead? Georg Hi Georg, Are you forgetting that “The Passover” and 'easter' are celebrated “around the same time” of the “Year”? Acts:12:4: And when he had apprehended him, he put him (Jesus) in prison, and delivered him to four                 quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed. I don't know what Bible you are using but my King James Bible says this:
Acts 12:4 So when he had been apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to bring him before the people after passover. There is no mention of Easter. Since Christ died on the day before the days of Unleavened Bread which is Wednesday before Sundown. Christ did not die on a Friday. They had to hurry up to put Christ into the grave because the next day was the first day of Unleavened Bread, which is an Anual Sabbath….What did Jesus say, they ask for a sign and the only sign I will give is that He was in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights. Count them. Friday to Sundown Saturday does not make it 3 days and 3 nights…
Irene

[Elizabeth]

Quote (princess of the king @ April 15 2010,21:42)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 15 2010,16:02) Wow, a princess of what king?  What a negative spirit you post with.  You need more of a revelation than I thought. The wisdom of truth is sought after, not bending to every doctrine. It quite apparent though, if one can combine gods, then it nothing to combine traditions.

Lady, I agree….
Peace and Love Irene

[Ed J]

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 15 2010,08:57)

Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,06:58) Quote (Elizabeth @ April 14 2010,22:39) Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2010,14:45) Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,22:10) Pagan hunters, LOL I can understand why you would feel this way, some do come across a bit harsh. The article however, does acknowledge the origins, then in turn gives Christians the authority to go ahead and celebrate. Nothing new under the sun LU. All the same LU, it is your choice. Backing up what some church fellow tells you, is fine with me, many do this. Study and find thy self approved is also good advice. Take Care LU, hoppy ishtar. Ya know Princess, If you want to acknowledge pagan customs and give them power and control who am I to keep you.  However, Jesus really did rise from the dead and Christians celebrate the Passover by celebrating the First Fruits which is Jesus' resurrection.  Passover was a spring season event.  I am sure that satan would like to mess with Christians who celebrate Easter by associating it with ishtar but I refuse to let him have any power over the Christian's celebration.  Many countries celebrate with us and do not call it Easter in their language.  So, how can the name be related to ishtar.  The name Easter came first before the fairy tales that you want to believe in.  Easter and ishtar both have a t and a r in the word…big deal.  Easter has the word “east” and the sun rises in the east, and Jesus rose just before sunrise…hence “Easter.”  The rising of the Son! Think lovely thoughts!  Seek God in things and think upon that which is good.  God says, “When you seek me, you'll find me when you seek me with all of your heart.” Jer 29:13 13 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. NASU I find it strange that in fact we do celebrate the day of the pagan fertility goddess Ishtar, we call it Easter, and we make it Christian by telling ourselves we celebrate the resurrection; where in the Bible do you find the command to do that? did not Jesus command us to remember his death instead? Georg Hi Georg, Are you forgetting that “The Passover” and 'easter' are celebrated “around the same time” of the “Year”? Acts:12:4: And when he had apprehended him, he put him (Jesus) in prison, and delivered him to four                 quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed.  Not mainstream Christianity!!!! Only the Jewish People and some former W.W. Church of God do…But they also believe that you have to keep the Sabbath, which is the Old Covenant and not the New In Luke 22:20. Easter has nothing to do with Passover.  It is the command to keep Passover and not Easter.  Easter has always been Pagan…..I remember one Easter when we belonged to the Catholic Church the Priest had everyone bring their Easter Baskets so He could bless them….And watch who signs the Post, it is not Georg its Irene Irene

Hi Irene,

What you Posted has NOTHING to do with what I said?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,06:58)

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 14 2010,22:39) Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2010,14:45) Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,22:10) Pagan hunters, LOL I can understand why you would feel this way, some do come across a bit harsh. The article however, does acknowledge the origins, then in turn gives christians the authority to go ahead and celebrate. Nothing new under the sun LU. All the same LU, it is your choice. Backing up what some church fellow tells you, is fine with me, many do this. Study and find thy self approved is also good advice. Take Care LU, hoppy ishtar. Ya know Princess, If you want to acknowledge pagan customs and give them power and control who am I to keep you.  However, Jesus really did rise from the dead and Christians celebrate the Passover by celebrating the First Fruits which is Jesus' resurrection.  Passover was a spring season event.  I am sure that satan would like to mess with Christians who celebrate Easter by associating it with ishtar but I refuse to let him have any power over the Christian's celebration.  Many countries celebrate with us and do not call it Easter in their language.  So, how can the name be related to ishtar.  The name Easter came first before the fairy tales that you want to believe in.  Easter and ishtar both have a t and a r in the word…big deal.  Easter has the word “east” and the sun rises in the east, and Jesus rose just before sunrise…hence “Easter.”  The rising of the Son! Think lovely thoughts!  Seek God in things and think upon that which is good.  God says, “When you seek me, you'll find me when you seek me with all of your heart.” Jer 29:13 13 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. NASU I find it strange that in fact we do celebrate the day of the pagan fertility goddess Ishtar, we call it Easter, and we make it Christian by telling ourselves we celebrate the resurrection; where in the Bible do you find the command to do that? did not Jesus command us to remember his death instead? Georg Hi Georg, Are you forgetting that “The Passover” and 'easter' are celebrated “around the same time” of the “Year”? Acts:12:4: And when he had apprehended him, he put him (Jesus) in prison, and delivered him to four                 quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I know that, but what has that got to do with what I said?

Georg

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 15 2010,10:58)

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 14 2010,06:39) Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2010,14:45) Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,22:10) Pagan hunters, LOL I can understand why you would feel this way, some do come across a bit harsh. The article however, does acknowledge the origins, then in turn gives christians the authority to go ahead and celebrate. Nothing new under the sun LU. All the same LU, it is your choice. Backing up what some church fellow tells you, is fine with me, many do this. Study and find thy self approved is also good advice. Take Care LU, hoppy ishtar. Ya know Princess, If you want to acknowledge pagan customs and give them power and control who am I to keep you.  However, Jesus really did rise from the dead and Christians celebrate the Passover by celebrating the First Fruits which is Jesus' resurrection.  Passover was a spring season event.  I am sure that satan would like to mess with Christians who celebrate Easter by associating it with ishtar but I refuse to let him have any power over the Christian's celebration.  Many countries celebrate with us and do not call it Easter in their language.  So, how can the name be related to ishtar.  The name Easter came first before the fairy tales that you want to believe in.  Easter and ishtar both have a t and a r in the word…big deal.  Easter has the word “east” and the sun rises in the east, and Jesus rose just before sunrise…hence “Easter.”  The rising of the Son! Think lovely thoughts!  Seek God in things and think upon that which is good.  God says, “When you seek me, you'll find me when you seek me with all of your heart.” Jer 29:13 13 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. NASU I find it strange that in fact we do celebrate the day of the pagan fertility goddess Ishtar, we call it Easter, and we make it Christian by telling ourselves we celebrate the resurrection; where in the Bible do you find the command to do that? did not Jesus command us to remember his death instead? Georg Georg, Quote Ex 12:23-24 23 “For the Lord will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer to come in to your houses to smite you. 24 “And you shall observe this event as an ordinance for you and your children forever. NASU The passover includes the death of the lamb and the unleavened bread and the first fruits during a feast that lasts over a week in the spring.  This event is to be observed forever.  The Resurrection Day and Holy Communion is the Christian's observation of the Passover season.  The resurrection day is actually commemorating the “first fruits” part of the Passover season which was always held on the day after the first weekly Sabbath after the Passover feast. If you a problem with the name “Easter” just change the name to “Resurrection Day” or “The First Fruits of Passover” or “The First Fruits of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.”  If hiding eggs tempts you to feel like you are honoring a pagan goddess, then don't do that. There is no need to stop celebrating the Resurrection Day with the Body of Christ because it is named Easter.  Most  countries don't call it Easter.  Call it something else.   Maybe someday as the Jew and Gentile believers become the “one new man” the celebration will become more accurate but until then, we can still celebrate the event of Passover season.

What you quoted in Exodus was part of the covenant made with the Israelites, not with the rest of the world.
That covenant has been canceled out.
Jesus became the Passover Lamb for us, he commanded us to remember his death, period.
I am not implying that his resurrection is not important, for in it lies our hope, but that's besides the point, the point is, he did not commanded it to be celebrated, especially on the day of a pagan goddess.
Question; do you keep from eating anything made with leaven for seven days? as you said, you celebrate the passover season?

Georg

[Ed J]

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 15 2010,23:42)

Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,06:58) Quote (Elizabeth @ April 14 2010,22:39) Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2010,14:45) Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,22:10) Pagan hunters, LOL I can understand why you would feel this way, some do come across a bit harsh. The article however, does acknowledge the origins, then in turn gives christians the authority to go ahead and celebrate. Nothing new under the sun LU. All the same LU, it is your choice. Backing up what some church fellow tells you, is fine with me, many do this. Study and find thy self approved is also good advice. Take Care LU, hoppy ishtar. Ya know Princess, If you want to acknowledge pagan customs and give them power and control who am I to keep you.  However, Jesus really did rise from the dead and Christians celebrate the Passover by celebrating the First Fruits which is Jesus' resurrection.  Passover was a spring season event.  I am sure that satan would like to mess with Christians who celebrate Easter by associating it with ishtar but I refuse to let him have any power over the Christian's celebration.  Many countries celebrate with us and do not call it Easter in their language.  So, how can the name be related to ishtar.  The name Easter came first before the fairy tales that you want to believe in.  Easter and ishtar both have a t and a r in the word…big deal.  Easter has the word “east” and the sun rises in the east, and Jesus rose just before sunrise…hence “Easter.”  The rising of the Son! Think lovely thoughts!  Seek God in things and think upon that which is good.  God says, “When you seek me, you'll find me when you seek me with all of your heart.” Jer 29:13 13 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. NASU I find it strange that in fact we do celebrate the day of the pagan fertility goddess Ishtar, we call it Easter, and we make it Christian by telling ourselves we celebrate the resurrection; where in the Bible do you find the command to do that? did not Jesus command us to remember his death instead? Georg Hi Georg, Are you forgetting that “The Passover” and 'easter' are celebrated “around the same time” of the “Year”? Acts:12:4: And when he had apprehended him, he put him (Jesus) in prison, and delivered him to four                 quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org I know that, but what has that got to do with what I said? Georg

Hi Georg,

Your right Georg, pagan festivals have indeed infiltrated the church.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,23:27)

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 15 2010,08:57) Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,06:58) Quote (Elizabeth @ April 14 2010,22:39) Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2010,14:45) Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,22:10) Pagan hunters, LOL I can understand why you would feel this way, some do come across a bit harsh. The article however, does acknowledge the origins, then in turn gives Christians the authority to go ahead and celebrate. Nothing new under the sun LU. All the same LU, it is your choice. Backing up what some church fellow tells you, is fine with me, many do this. Study and find thy self approved is also good advice. Take Care LU, hoppy ishtar. Ya know Princess, If you want to acknowledge pagan customs and give them power and control who am I to keep you.  However, Jesus really did rise from the dead and Christians celebrate the Passover by celebrating the First Fruits which is Jesus' resurrection.  Passover was a spring season event.  I am sure that satan would like to mess with Christians who celebrate Easter by associating it with ishtar but I refuse to let him have any power over the Christian's celebration.  Many countries celebrate with us and do not call it Easter in their language.  So, how can the name be related to ishtar.  The name Easter came first before the fairy tales that you want to believe in.  Easter and ishtar both have a t and a r in the word…big deal.  Easter has the word “east” and the sun rises in the east, and Jesus rose just before sunrise…hence “Easter.”  The rising of the Son! Think lovely thoughts!  Seek God in things and think upon that which is good.  God says, “When you seek me, you'll find me when you seek me with all of your heart.” Jer 29:13 13 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. NASU I find it strange that in fact we do celebrate the day of the pagan fertility goddess Ishtar, we call it Easter, and we make it Christian by telling ourselves we celebrate the resurrection; where in the Bible do you find the command to do that? did not Jesus command us to remember his death instead? Georg Hi Georg, Are you forgetting that “The Passover” and 'easter' are celebrated “around the same time” of the “Year”? Acts:12:4: And when he had apprehended him, he put him (Jesus) in prison, and delivered him to four                 quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed.  Not mainstream Christianity!!!! Only the Jewish People and some former W.W. Church of God do…But they also believe that you have to keep the Sabbath, which is the Old Covenant and not the New In Luke 22:20. Easter has nothing to do with Passover.  It is the command to keep Passover and not Easter.  Easter has always been Pagan…..I remember one Easter when we belonged to the Catholic Church the Priest had everyone bring their Easter Baskets so He could bless them….And watch who signs the Post, it is not Georg its Irene Irene Hi Irene, What you Posted has NOTHING to do with what I said? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed! Only that you misquoted a Scripture…..that is why I said what I did….And are you not trying to connect the Passover with Easter? It sounds like you keep Easter? Do you?
Irene

[Lightenup]

Quote (Elizabeth @ April 15 2010,07:56)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 15 2010,10:58) Quote (Elizabeth @ April 14 2010,06:39) Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2010,14:45) Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,22:10) Pagan hunters, LOL I can understand why you would feel this way, some do come across a bit harsh. The article however, does acknowledge the origins, then in turn gives christians the authority to go ahead and celebrate. Nothing new under the sun LU. All the same LU, it is your choice. Backing up what some church fellow tells you, is fine with me, many do this. Study and find thy self approved is also good advice. Take Care LU, hoppy ishtar. Ya know Princess, If you want to acknowledge pagan customs and give them power and control who am I to keep you.  However, Jesus really did rise from the dead and Christians celebrate the Passover by celebrating the First Fruits which is Jesus' resurrection.  Passover was a spring season event.  I am sure that satan would like to mess with Christians who celebrate Easter by associating it with ishtar but I refuse to let him have any power over the Christian's celebration.  Many countries celebrate with us and do not call it Easter in their language.  So, how can the name be related to ishtar.  The name Easter came first before the fairy tales that you want to believe in.  Easter and ishtar both have a t and a r in the word…big deal.  Easter has the word “east” and the sun rises in the east, and Jesus rose just before sunrise…hence “Easter.”  The rising of the Son! Think lovely thoughts!  Seek God in things and think upon that which is good.  God says, “When you seek me, you'll find me when you seek me with all of your heart.” Jer 29:13 13 'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. NASU I find it strange that in fact we do celebrate the day of the pagan fertility goddess Ishtar, we call it Easter, and we make it Christian by telling ourselves we celebrate the resurrection; where in the Bible do you find the command to do that? did not Jesus command us to remember his death instead? Georg Georg, Quote Ex 12:23-24 23 “For the Lord will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer to come in to your houses to smite you. 24 “And you shall observe this event as an ordinance for you and your children forever. NASU The passover includes the death of the lamb and the unleavened bread and the first fruits during a feast that lasts over a week in the spring.  This event is to be observed forever.  The Resurrection Day and Holy Communion is the Christian's observation of the Passover season.  The resurrection day is actually commemorating the “first fruits” part of the Passover season which was always held on the day after the first weekly Sabbath after the Passover feast. If you a problem with the name “Easter” just change the name to “Resurrection Day” or “The First Fruits of Passover” or “The First Fruits of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.”  If hiding eggs tempts you to feel like you are honoring a pagan goddess, then don't do that. There is no need to stop celebrating the Resurrection Day with the Body of Christ because it is named Easter.  Most  countries don't call it Easter.  Call it something else.   Maybe someday as the Jew and Gentile believers become the “one new man” the celebration will become more accurate but until then, we can still celebrate the event of Passover season. What you quoted in Exodus was part of the covenant made with the Israelites, not with the rest of the world. That covenant has been canceled out. Jesus became the Passover Lamb for us, he commanded us to remember his death, period. I am not implying that his resurrection is not important, for in it lies our hope, but that's besides the point, the point is, he did not commanded it to be celebrated, especially on the day of a pagan goddess. Question; do you keep from eating anything made with leaven for seven days? as you said, you celebrate the passover season? Georg

Georg,
I take the communion as specified by Jesus for the Passover whenever it is offered throughout the year. I also observe the Resurrection Day as the fulfillment of the Feast of First Fruits with the majority of the body of Christ.

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