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Hi Nick,
You:: Lk 9.36 is not before the Jordan, but after, as is Jn 12.28, Mt 17.5 etc when the Father spoke.
But it was at the Jordan when God first introduced His Son to men.
’This is My beloved son, in whom I am well pleased’ Mt 3.17God fulfilled the prophecy of Ps 2
’Thou art My Son.Today I have begotten thee..’Me:
The dove representing the spirit of Christ went on Christ, not in Christ.
First of all, Christ was not begotten with the holy spirit at birth. God was fully in him at conception.
New American Standard Bible
Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
John 1:14 And the Word (1096. ginomai: joined) flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld (G 2300:contemplated) his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
theaomai .2300 theáomai (from tháomai, “to gaze at a spectacle”) – properly, gaze on (contemplate) as a spectator; to observe intently, especially to interpret something (grasp its significance); to see (concentrate on) so as to significantly impact (influence) the viewer.
Me: Was Christ the only begotten (born) son of God? Was not the OT saints and John the Baptist born (begotten) of God?
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born (1080. gennaó) after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now,
G1080. gennaó
Definition: to beget, to bring forth
Usage: I beget (of the male), (of the female) I bring forth, give birth to.Me: Born and begotten can be used interchangeable and used depending on text. Therefore “only begotten’ in reference to Christ has to be from the dead.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn (G4416) from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten (G4416) of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
https://av1611.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1449
From the above link:
“It is of interest to see how many foreign language Bibles render the phrase “he hath raised up Jesus AGAIN”. The Spanish says: “resusitándo a Jesus”, the Latin – resuscitans Iesum, the French – en ressuscitant Jesus; the Portuguese – ressuscitando a Jesus, and the Italian has risuscitando Gesu. It is easy to see that they all render this verse the same way as the KJB has it – referring to the resurrection of Christ.”
“Commentators as well as bible versions differ radically concerning both the meaning and rendering of this passage. Among those that I believe got it right are John Gill, Matthew Henry, John Wesley, and John Calvin.Me: The Word as God was fully in Christ at his human conception. Christ was not begotten with the holy spirit at neither at birth nor at Jordan. Christ was not baptized into his own death, for baptism of the holy spirit means to die and rise with Christ into a new life. Christ was born from the dead as the son of God with power.
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Me: It was after the resurrection from the dead that Christ was begotten with power after his ascension into heaven.
Gene:
You: TC……Nick is right in this. God has spoken to many . Jesus was addressing just those people in front of him there. The real question is why are you trying so hard to transfer the Glory of God the Father , to The man Jesus our brother. When are you going to see Jesus as a fellow human being, whom God the Father chose and anointed Ted him to preach the Gospel of the kingdom of God to us all. You say he was made in the image of God as if we aren’t also. You say but he is the Son of God, as if we arn’t, but scripture say different, “brethren know you not the “NOW” you “ARE” the sons of GOD.
YOU SIMPLY CANNOT CEASE FROM PREACHING A “DOCTRINE OF SEPERATION” as all fallen Christanity does.
We believe we are connected with the “MAN” Jesus, you believe mankind is not connected with him, which is a complete different gospel. We see Jesus as a perfected human being as one of us, in the family of God, you see him as a preexisting being who only is made in the “image” of God. Your view of him is far more in aliment with the Gnostic’s , then you think.Me: Yes, Jesus is our brother. But we should become like he is, not he become like we are. The Word of God was in him from conception as a human. His human mind grew in it’s bond with the holy spirit in him. He grew to become the only begotten son of God–the only one raised from the dead and then ascended into heaven to be glorified with power, none preceding him. We too are destined to share in that glory. We put on the glorified Christ and grow to become like him.
Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
If you can get your mind out of the gutter maybe you can see properly.
T C…… YOUR THE ONE trying to make Jesus different the his human brothers and sisters not us. You say things like God was “in” him and he was “in” God , as if God is not also in us true believers, Jesus said he was in us and we are in him also, Paul clearly said ” know you not that your “body” is the temple of the living God” . GOD the Father spoke through jesus’ mouth and said ” destory this temple (the body of Jesus that he was in) and in three days “I” (God) shall raise it (Jesus ‘ body) up.”
Maybe it is your mind that is in the gutter not ours.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Gene.
It is your mind that is in the gutter–no maybes. You misinterpret and misrepresent what I say. I never once said that God was in Christ and not in his followers. Show me where. I have always said God was in Christ fully and wholly and that his human mind grew in his relationship to his spirit mind, the Word in him. The Word is not our spirit mind per se. But we bind to Christ’s human mind when we are baptized of the holy spirit with Christ in it. This is the promise of the holy spirit from Pentecost. I have always said that the saints of the OT had received the holy spirit but was never baptized of the holy spirit until Pentecost. We become completely like Christ with new bodies when he appears.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Me: To bring the Son of God down to the level of man is a form of blasphemy. God is spirit. His Son was in his spirit image at the foremost. This was the Word in him. We become sons of God through Christ–adopted as sons. The destiny of his brethren is a glorious one, not one of flesh and bone.
Romans 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
TC……The “US” IS THE SAME US NOT A DIFFERENT US as you supose.
You say…..TO BRING the Son of God “DOWN” to a human level is blasphemous, so to you JESUS lies when he calls himself a “SON OF MAN” around 80 times right?
Your perseptiom of mankind being a inferior Peace of garbage is completely false, and shows your disregard for mankind who is created in the “IMAGE” OF GOD. You not only disrespect GOD’S human creation , you also disrespect him.
You twist scriptures to say what they in fact do not say. EXAMPLE.
Heb 2:3-12 ….Verse 2-8, is talking about mankind, not Jesus as you falsely say. Go and read it and try to understand that it is speaking about mankind in general, and if you can somehow understand that you might start getting the true picture, of Gods, Glory and honor he has placed on mankind, and that his goal is to put “ALL THINGS UNDER THE FOOT OF MANKIND, just as it says there.
He that has ears to hear let him hear.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi TC,
Yes the fullness of DEITY DWELLED IN Jesus Christ.
God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself. 2cor 5.19
Why do you think that would make him THE DEITY IN HIM? Strange.
Hi TC,
What you think and say is only true as it aligns with scripture.
Most of it is from you.
Gnosticism.
Hi TC,
You say the Word was in Christ at his conception.
A popular traditional idea behind the nonsense that is Christmas.
Just your opinion again.
Hi TC,
THREE PERSONS in God?
Have you not heard that God is one, that Jesus Christ is His Son and they are united in God’s Spirit.
Come out her for your sake as God hates her blasphemous ways.
Response to T8
T8…..read Heb 11:13-40, Verses 39 says…..And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, recieved not the promise. 40,…God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Tell us T8, What do you do with these clearly written scriptures, do you just ignore them, and move on with pagan concepts of life continuing after death? We are told to come out of “mystery religious” concepts.
The only way a person can live again after death, is by being resurected from the grave exactly as Jesus was, and that is with a flesh and bone body, with the breath of God added into it, all done by the spirit of him that raised Jesus our lord from his grave. It is apsolute crucial we attain unto the resurection from the dead, exactly as Jesus did. He is the “first” of many brethern to be resurected.Me: Hi T8 You have right, not Gene.
Matt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul (psuche) but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
NASB Translation
psuché: heart (2), heartily (1), life (36), lives (7), mind (1), minds (1), person (1), persons (3), soul (33), souls (14), suspense* (1), thing (1).
2. the soul (Latinanimus), a. the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our soul, heart, etc.)Me: If the soul is dead at one’s physical death, why would Christ make such a statement? The soul is used here as the heart and mind of an individual, which is his inner self. It is not used as spirit here, although spirit is related and is used as a definition of psuché. Matt 10:28 is not speaking of the judgement.
John 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth (2837); but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep (2837), he shall do well. 13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep (2837). 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
2837. koimaóUsage: I fall asleep, am asleep, sometimes of the sleep of death.
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead
Me: How can Christ raise someone from dead if his soul is dead and not sleeps? The dead know nothing because they are in an unconscious sleep, like being in a sleep from anesthesia on the operating table. On the contrary, what Babylon teaches is that the soul doesn’t sleep but has consciousness at death. It is the body that is dead, not the soul.
Young’s Literal Translation
Acts 2:31 having foreseen, he did speak concerning the rising again of the Christ, that his soul was not left to hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.New American Standard Bible
Acts 2:31 he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that HE WAS NEITHER ABANDONED TO HADES, NOR DID His flesh SUFFER DECAY.Me: “He” in YLT is the same as “soul” in NASB as shown in the definition of psuché above. Christ soul was asleep, just as Lazarus’s soul was asleep in John 11:11-14.
Another example:
Gen 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground.
Me: We know the life of the blood is in the soul. So Abel’s soul was awaken temporarily and cried to God from the Ground.
Eccl 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Me: Without the baptism of the spirit, our spirits (minds) go down to the earth like the beasts do.
Hi All,
Gene: Heb 2:3-12 ….Verse 2-8, is talking about mankind, not Jesus as you falsely say. Go and read it and try to understand that it is speaking about mankind in general, and if you can somehow understand that you might start getting the true picture, of Gods, Glory and honor he has placed on mankind, and that his goal is to put “ALL THINGS UNDER THE FOOT OF MANKIND, just as it says there.
Me: I have never said that Heb 2:3-12 was just speaking just about Jesus. Show me. This is another misrepresentation by you.
Heb 2:3 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? 4 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
Me: This is speaking of the saints.
Heb 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. 6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man (Christ), that thou visitest him?
Me: I believe versus 5 and 6 are speaking of both Christ and his church. The Son of man is Christ that came through the seed or offshoot of David (man).
7 Thou madest him a little lower than the GOD; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Me: This is speaking of Christ whom God and created everything through and secondarily man.
https://biblehub.com/lexicon/psalms/8-5.htm
Psalm 8:5 (Bible Hub) Yet You have made him a little lower than God. And you crown him with glory and majesty.Me: I believe that this is speaking of Christ.
Pulpit Commentary
Verse 5. – For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels; rather, thou hast made him but a little lower than God (אלהים). There is no place in the Old Testament where Elohim means “angels;” and, though the LXX. so translate in the present passage, and the rendering has passed from them into the New Testament (Hebrews 2:7), it cannot be regarded as critically correct. The psalmist, in considering how man has been favoured by God, goes back in thought to his creation, and remembers the words of Genesis 1:26, 27, “Let us make man in our own image, after our likeness… So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him” (compare the still stronger expression in Psalm 82:6, “I have said, Ye are gods”). And hast crowned him with glory and honour; i.e. “and, by so doing, by giving him a nature but a little short of the Divine, hast put on him a crown of glory such as thou hast given to no other creature.” There is a point of view from which the nature of man transcends that of angels,Me: “Gods” here does not necessarily mean man is exactly like Christ who is the express image of God.
8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than God for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. 13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Me: Christ is the first one to made completely into the image of God. The first part of verse 14 indicates that the spirit (mind) of the flesh was created first, then the flesh and blood body. This coincides with the 1 Cor 15:38). The second part of verse 14 coincides with John 1:14, for the whole of the Word became one with flesh.
1 Cor 15:37 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him…28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Me: And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. We are not made into the likeness and image of God completely until the resurrection of our spirits (minds) and then bodies.
Hi TC,
No it is the mind you must submit to be transformed.
Rom 12.2
And do not be conformed to the world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind,
that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good, and acceptable and perfect.
Eph 4.23
and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
Hi All,
Gene: Your perseptiom of mankind being a inferior Peace of garbage is completely false, and shows your disregard for mankind who is created in the “IMAGE” OF GOD. You not only disrespect GOD’S human creation , you also disrespect him.
Me: “We” in Genesis one is plural majesty and it applies to; only one person as shown pages ago. . It applies to the father and his image which are one person in two different dimensions.
We are created in the image of God. That image is Christ. We are not yet created in the full image and likeness of God. Adam ate of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil to know good and evil and become like God in this aspect.
Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil…7 And the eyes of them both were opened…22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
Me: Man did not become fully created in the image and likeness of God in Genesis 1.
2 Cor 4:4 (NKJV) whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is THE image of God, should shine on them.
Genesis 1:26 (NKJV) Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image (H6754), according to Our likeness (1823); let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image(H6754); in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
H1823. demuth (likeness)
NASB Translation
figure (1), figures like (1), figures resembling (1), form (4), like (4), likeness (8), pattern (1), resembling (1), something resembling (1), which resembled (1), who resembled (1).H6754. tselem (image)
form (1), image (5), images (6), likenesses (3), phantom (1).Me: Only Christ was made into the image of God completely. This includes his body as the last step. We are made in the image of God, that image being Christ. I will explain this last step probably next weekend, if not sooner and answer the rest of your rebuttals. In the meantime….
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Me: Looks like the sewer to me. We become like Christ, who is the image of God completely, and not Christ become a piece of garbage like mankind is.
Hi Nick:
You: No it is the mind you must submit to be transformed.
Rom 12.2
And do not be conformed to the world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind,
that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good, and acceptable and perfect.
Eph 4.23
and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind,Me: Where did I say differently. The spirit of God is distributed to all his saint’s minds (spirits).
Hi All,
I might as well finish it now.
Heb 11:1 1-38 is about the trails that the saints of old endured because they had faith in the resurrection from the dead with the promise of eternal life in it.
Heb 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:…39
And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high
Acts 1:4 (NKJV) And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.Me: The promise of the Father is to be baptized with the holy spirit and receive salvation.
Heb 13:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Me: We are made perfect through the promise that God would send his son to be man’s salvation. Those of the OT did not receive the promise of the holy spirit with the heart of a man in it. This man is Christ.
1 Cor 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.’
Hi All,
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour (time) is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Me: It is obvious (to those that can see) that this is a resurrection of the minds (spiritual) of the dead OT saints into heaven to be will the Lord. It is the baptism of the holy spirit. It is to have the human heart of Christ in them as their only heart, and the holy spirit as their only spirit. This is the promise of the holy spirit mentioned in Heb 13:40. It is salvation through Christ, our Lord.
John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Examples:
2 Cor 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,…3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Comment: We are the sons of God now and remain so at our deaths if we follow the holy spirit. We are raised from the dead now.
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead…14 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Me: Not you will be the sons of God.
Hi All,
Phil 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. 23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: 24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.
Me: “to die” in verse 21 is “to depart“ in verse 23. “To live” in verse 21 is to “be with Christ” in verse 23. It is eternal life. Paul is living in the flesh when he made this statement. So to be with Christ is to die of the flesh and live with Christ in the holy spirit. We die to our human spirits and hearts Ezk 36:26). Notice, We then only live in the holy spirit and heart of Christ. All things are new.
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour(time) is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Me: This is at the end of the millennium. So what is the damnation here? It is not eternal death, for all shall be saved.
Matt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna).
Me: This verse corresponds with Ezk 36:26. Gehenna is symbolic of a fire that completely destroys. We will have a new heart of flesh—that of Christ. We will have a new spirit—the holy spirit (Eph 4:4). And we will have a new body—that of the holy spirit and not of the soul of man.
Hi All,
1 Cor 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare (1131. gumnos) grain (seed:2848. kokkos), it may chance of wheat, or of some other BODY. 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
https://biblehub.com/greek/1131.htm
1131. gumnos d. of the soul, whose garment is the body, stripped of the body, without a body:
2848. kokkos NASB Translation
grain (2), seed (5)Luke 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
Me: The body that we (church) sow is of the seed of the holy spirit in our mind. This is reserved in heaven for us. Our same mind of the spirit (seed) of the fleshly body are the seed that produces a fleshly body that will die. Notice “body” at the end of verse. I believe that is the right word and not seed. Actually there is a blank line in the concordance. In the end, there is one body and one spirit, the body of the holy spirit. These are building blocks for the building in heaven with Christ as the corner stone. The seed of the spirit in us impetuses the growth of the body.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_corinthians/15-37.htm2 Cor 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked (Gk 1131 above). 4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord… Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Matt 9:17 Neither do men put new wine (holy spirit) into old bottles (our present human bodies) : else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.Me: The building of God that is in heaven (2 Cor 5:1 above) is not made with hands (not through the genetic process, not through human effort). Our new bodies are the building blocks of this house (1 Peter 2:5). Our old bodies perish (Mark 9:17 and Matt 10:28 above).
TC…..so show us where Jesus’ resurected “BODY” of flesh and bone was ever done away with. You post tons of scriptures with your versions of what they mean. But many of those scriptures do not say what your interpretations of them say. You say Heb2:6-8 is not talking about MANKIND ONLY, you couldn’t be more wrong even if you tried, and by the way, verse 9, brings Jesus into the same referencing AS MANKIND by comparing him with MANKIND. There is no seperation of Jesus’ idenity with all of mankind made there. But jut the oppisite it shows his idenity with all of mankind, as referenced in the following scriptures. He is being shown there as a extension of what is waiting for all of mankind.
Your “DOCTRINE OF SEPERATION” , is a LIE. The Jesus you preach is not the Jesus of the bible, that is why you have to go through so much translation changes and verious form of meanings to scriptures to try to get your points accross. Scriptures are not that complicated for those who have the spirit of God in them.
As far as what a living soul is, that is also simple, God made man from the dust of the earth and breathe into his nostrils the breath of life , AND MAN BECAME A “LIVING SOUL” , so what is a living soul , it’s a flesh man with the breath of life “in” him. Nothing more and nothing less. Take away the flesh and there is no man left, nor is there a living soul either, nothing but a dead soul that sees coruption in the grave where it is buried. Jesus’ soul would have also corrupted had God the Father not raised him before his Soul could corrupt in the grave. Just that simple , no need for a long string of “mystery religious” confusion , to try understand something so simple. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours ……..gene
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