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Hi Gene,
There is no COMMON GRAVE for mankind.
Such is of the imaginations of men running away from the Hades shown in Lk 16.
Hi Gene,
Mark 12.26
‘I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB’..
He is not the God of the dead but of the living; you are greatly mistaken.
Understand how God sees His anointed ones.
Hi Gene,
Matt 22.31
But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God:
‘I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB’?
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Do you deny that these men are LIVING to God?
Hi Gene,
Lk 20.38
Now He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; for all live to Him.
Another witness.
Real life is eternal life ZOE2222.
It begins before death with the anointing baptism in the Spirit.
Hi Nick,
You: So you think the death of Jesus was when he gave the Holy Spirit back to the Father.
Sorry but you do not understand that he was a man like you and I and his human spirit left him at death.
Ecc12.
The Faithful Spirit NEVER leaves the anointed ones even in death.
Remember the sign of Jonah.Me:
Eccl 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.Me: Eccl 12:7 does not say what spirit went back to God.
Eccl 3:19 or that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Me: Men are like beasts without the spirit of God in them. They die exactly the same way. They all have the same spirit or breath. So if the spirit of man goes upward to God, so does the spirit of the beast. Notice whatever befalleth the sons of man at death befalls beast. so beasts die exactly the same way. It does not say whatever befalleth beast befalleth the sons of man. If it had, you can say everything that befalls beast befalls the sons of man with the addition of man’s spirit going back to God at his death. But it doesn’t say that.
Me: Therefore, the spirit that goes back to God in Eccl 12:7 has to be the holy spirit.
Eccl 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Me: Now this is the mystery. I believe that the spirit in man that goes upward is the holy spirit. It is the holy spirit with the mind and heart of Christ (man) in it together with the mind and heart of Almighty God.
Hi Nick,
You: You say that John received the Spirit after he was born?
Lk 1.15 says differently.Me:
Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from (G1537) his mother’s womb.
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/1-15.htm
http://biblehub.com/greek/1537.htmἐκ, before a vowel ἐξ, a preposition governing the genitive. Also, it denotes exit or emission out of, as separation from, something with which there has been close connection; opposed to the prepositions εἰς into and ἐν in: from out of, out from, forth from, from, (Latine, ex) (cf. Winers Grammar, 364, 366f (343f); Buttmann, 326f (281)). It is used
Luke 1:15 does not say John the Baptist had the holy spirit in the womb of his mother but outside of it. I posted a longer explanation of this prior to your same question.Hi Nick:
You: From James we know that a body without a spirit is dead.
No scripture says that Jesus was conceived differently without a human spirit.(dead)Me: I had shown you the scriptures. You have yet to show me one that says Christ had a soul like we do.
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Me: I had shown you the scriptures that do. You just won’t believe it. Our bodies without the human spirit is dead, true. But the son of God body was alive because of the holy spirit. He could transfigurate himself (Matt 17:1-3).
Hi Nick:
You: Baptism in scripture refers to the TYPE of water baptism unless it specifies otherwise.
God is not a God of confusion but of peace.Me: It is the baptism of the holy spirit with Christ in it that saves. Water baptism is an outward pledge or calling upon the the name of the Lord to save us.
Hi TC,
MUST HAVE BEEN?
Logic is not for grasping what is spiritual.
Gen 3.22
Then the Lord God said
’ Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil;
and now he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever’
To be alive in the Spirit of life is to live forever.
Death is a sham.
Hi Nick:
You: Christ’s Soul is his body?
Matt 10.28 shows they are different.Me:
Matt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
5590. psuché: heart (2), heartily (1), life (36), lives (7), mind (1), minds (1), person (1), persons (3), soul (33), souls (14), suspense* (1), thing (1).
http://biblehub.com/greek/5590.htm
Me: Depending on the context, 5590. psuché can be used in any of the different ways above. It seems obvios that “soul” is pertaining to spirit. But it is the messiah who is the judge that can destroy both body and soul. This does not at all prove that the messiah has or had a human soul. It is completely beside the point.Hi Nick:
You: The SPIRITS IN PRISON are specified as being from the time of Noah and the Ark.
Me:
1 Peter 3.18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached (proclaimed) unto the spirits in prison (John 8:34: sin and death); 20 Which sometime (example from the past) were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved (from the wicketness of the world) by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:Me: Noah’s ark is just an example in the past that happen to have water involved in it. The prison is sin and death.
John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
To be saved, one must be baptised in the spirit. Noah and his family are but a physical example of baptsm of the spirit that saves us. We cannot save the flesh (example of the wicketness during Noah’s time). But we are saved by the spirit.Hi TC,
What does scripture say?
Jn 3.5
Truly , truly I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
1 peter 3.21
Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh,
but an appeal to God for a good conscience- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Hi TC,
Do you seriously believe that having been given the Spirit of life by which God did all the miracles through him,
he lost it when he died and then he was given it again later?
Our faithful God is not a God of confusion but of peace. He never leaves or forsakes His children
The gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Rom 11.29
Hi TC,
The book of Acts is replete with examples of water baptisms for new converts
and the apparent urgent need to be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ.
Hands were laid on to receive the Spirit baptism too, but often at a later time.
Men do not rate the priorities of God however, though nothing has changed.
Hi Nick,
Hi Nick:
You: Do you seriously believe that having been given the Spirit of life by which God did all the miracles through him,
he lost it when he died and then he was given it again later?
Our faithful God is not a God of confusion but of peace. He never leaves or forsakes His children
The gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Rom 11.29Me:
Eccl 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.Eccl 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Me: That is the state of the dead prior to Christ’s resurrection and ascencion into heaven. They only have faith in the promises of God that they will live again.
1 Cor 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished…20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
Me: All that died, including Christ, would have remained dead if God had not resurrect Christ from the dead. For no man had resurrected into heaven, not even in spirit prior to Christ’s resurrection from the dead
John 3:13 (Christ speaking here on earth) And no man hath ascended up to heaven (in our reality), but he that came down from heaven (John 1:18), even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Romans 4:17 even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Me: Christ was the first man to ascend into heaven. In God’s mind, the last part of John 3:13 was as good as done. In his mind, God sees things as already done. Thus, Christ had already been crucified, resurrected, and glorified and in heaven before the foundations of the worlds–in God’s mind.
It was only God through Christ that God would never leave us.
Hi Nick,
What does scripture say?
Jn 3.5
Truly , truly I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
1 peter 3.21
Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh,
but an appeal to God for a good conscience- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.Me: True, water represents the holy spirit. We are buried with Christ symbolically through a watery grave and in reality with Christ in the spirit of God. We are resurrected with him symbolically when we emerge from the water and receive the earnest of the spirit of God in us–with Christ’s in it (human mind and heart). Our fleshly bodies (the dirt) cannot be saved. We need new bodies of the spirit.
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