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t8,
Wikipedia article on him.
he tracts typically attempt to persuade the reader that on judgment day, they will certainly be found guilty of breaking one or more of the Ten Commandments, and therefore will be sent to hell, unless they say a prayer to acknowledge Christ’s substitutionary atonement.
According to these words he does not really teach the new covenant but rather the old with a twist. The twist being that prayers to Jesus accomplish the same thing the sacrifice of animals did under the law. That is assuming he still teaches obedience to the Law.
I missed it the first time but noted this time there is no citation so he may teach no such thing.
Likewise also the Spirit helpeth our infirmities; for we know not what to pray for as we ought; but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God – Rom 8:26-27
Lox1,
Nice verses!
That is a English Standard version so I am not certain if there is a forgotten comma in Romans or that it is a different version of grammar than I have been taught.
According to these words he does not really teach the new covenant but rather the old with a twist. The twist being that prayers to Jesus accomplish the same thing the sacrifice of animals did under the law. That is assuming he still teaches obedience to the Law.
What he teaches from what I have heard is that if we reject the gift of salvation, then the law will judge us. He does not preach the law as the answer, but the grace of God. He merely uses the law to show the standard that we have all broken and hence our need for salvation. He often talks about salvation like a parachute and gravity as the law. You get the idea.
I am also aware that many people say things about him that are not true.
This guy use to preach the gospel in the city I use to live in. He hasn’t changed his message since moving to the States from what I can see.
t8,
What many seem not to understand is that even under the Law grace was the way to salvation but now there is greater than could be had under the law.
The Law (Scripture) exists to be “useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the person dedicated to God may be capable and equipped for every good work”. (2 Timothy 3:16-17 NET)
It lacks power.
The Spirit gives those that have it the power to overcome by walking according to it.
Under the new covenant one of the largest graces believers are given is the Spirit and they receive it through faith from first to last.
Nick,
According to Google Christians believe grace is the free and unmerited favor of God, as manifested in the salvation of sinners and the bestowal of blessings. The free and unmerited favor covers anything God does as there is nothing we can give God and no way we can merit anything from him.
In Hebrews 10:29 the Spirit of grace is mentioned.
‘For Christ is the end of the law’.
Hmm. Christ is the end of the law???? Could anyone explain Paul to me, because I can never understand the man…..
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law” (Matthew 5.17). ‘Away from me you workers of lawlessness, I never knew you’, (Matthew 7.23). “Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.” (Rev 12.17).
Hi Miia,
The anointing is now the power of life.
The Spirit fulfils the Law without the self effort of men.
Walk in the Spirit and you will not need to strive to please the God of Israel.
Miia,
Romans 10:3-4New English Translation (NET Bible)
3 For ignoring the righteousness that comes from God, and seeking instead to establish their own righteousness, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4 For Christ is the end of the law, with the result that there is righteousness for everyone who believes.
Nick has it correct as those that walk by the Spirit please the God of Israel and of the nations by faith and not by human effort. The works are God’s.
Walking accomplishes the goal(end) of the law.
End has many meaning but I am using a definition for end at Merriam-Webster.
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a : an outcome worked toward : purposeSalvation is a free gift of God lest any man should boast.
Yes, by the power of his spirit we can be led by the Spirit and overcome the flesh.
The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.
But when we sin (and we will) we have a covenant with God.
We should be in a state of repentance though.
A sinner is someone who practices sin. We can practice righteousness.
t8,
The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.
When did Jesus say this to his student-adherents?
Were the disciples taking part of the new covenant at that time?
Had the Advocate come to teach them yet?
t8,
What many seem not to understand is that even under the Law grace was the way to salvation but now there is greater than could be had under the law.
The Law (Scripture) exists to be “useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the person dedicated to God may be capable and equipped for every good work”. (2 Timothy 3:16-17 NET)
It lacks power.
The Spirit gives those that have it the power to overcome by walking according to it.
Under the new covenant one of the largest graces believers are given is the Spirit and they receive it through faith from first to last.
Why discuss this. The conversation was about Ray Comfort preaching the 10 commandments as preparation for delivering the gospel of Christ. Do you still have a problem with him doing that? If so, why. If you do not have a problem, then do we need to talk about what the law is because I think that is another topic.
t8,
The Law, which includes the ten commandments, exists to teach us what sin is. It gives us no power to overcome sin. Those under the Law are servants to sin and so will sin because they have no power by human power to overcome it.
Those that teach believers they will sin are teaching the old covenant at best and may be teaching their hearers to worship God with their mouths while their heart is far from hims.
Jesus told us he comes to truly set us free from sinning for anyone that sins is a servant of sin (John 8:30-34). A multitude of Jews did not like that message as it came from the lips of Christ.
Atonement is had for sin under the old testament. (Leviticus 4:26)
Grace is given to the lowly under the old testament. (Proverbs 3:34)
Forgiveness is given so that a name is not blotted out of the book of life.(Exodus 32:32)The only significant difference I see between the message Comfort teaches and the doctrine of the Old Testament is that Jesus’ choice to sacrifice himself replaces the sacrifice of animals by priests. It sounds like he also subtracts from the Law as he focuses on the Ten Commandments.
Comfort does not teach the way that Jesus sets believers free from being servants to sin.
The Law, which includes the ten commandments, exists to teach us what sin is. It gives us no power to overcome sin. Those under the Law are servants to sin and so will sin because they have no power by human power to overcome it.
Those that teach believers they will sin are teaching the old covenant at best and may be teaching their hearers to worship God with their mouths while their heart is far from hims.
What are you on about? Ray Comfort preaches the commandments to teach what sin is, then provides the solution with the gospel.
He doesn’t teach adherence to the Law as salvation.
Can’t you just accept that or is that too easy and feel the need to make things more complicated?
Stick to the point please Kerwin. The conversation doesn’t need a lecture on the Law, just a simple opinion or conclusion on Ray Comfort’s approach to preaching the gospel and why that is a good idea or not.
He uses the law to lead them to grace. Simple. It is either a good idea or not. You said it yourself, “The Law, which includes the ten commandments, exists to teach us what sin is.”. It’s not anymore complicated than that kerwin.
He is an evangelist BTW, not a teacher of the Church.
Keep it simple. The wise of this world like to complicate things so they look like they have authority.
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