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Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,10:48) Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2012,03:44) Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,10:32) Hi Pierre, Are you sorry you have to agree with me?
Or sorry you have to disagree with Wakeup?God bless
Ed J
edj
just an expression ,nothing to worry about it
Hi Pierre,I guess you meant the latter then; huh?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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edjguessing is not healthy
Hi Pierre,
Are you suggesting that guessing what you mean is not healthy?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,10:56) Hi Pierre, Are you suggesting that guessing what you mean is not healthy?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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time out ,you start to lose them Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2012,03:03) Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,08:58) Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,00:27) Hi Wakeup, Born of the “HolySpirit” is what makes us born again – you disagree?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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EDj.I disagree; we are born once,and we will be born one more time(again) in a new body. Born of the spirit.
there is no such as born again and again.I know this is not what the majority has been taught,and therefore hard to believe. just need to study the scriptures re' this once more.wakeup.
wakeupsorry but I have to agree with EDJ on this one ,born again is done within your live time not after
Terra.No need to be sorry,we can always discus this subject if you want to.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,16:18) Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2012,03:03) Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,08:58) Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,00:27) Hi Wakeup, Born of the “HolySpirit” is what makes us born again – you disagree?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDj.I disagree; we are born once,and we will be born one more time(again) in a new body. Born of the spirit.
there is no such as born again and again.I know this is not what the majority has been taught,and therefore hard to believe. just need to study the scriptures re' this once more.wakeup.
wakeupsorry but I have to agree with EDJ on this one ,born again is done within your live time not after
Terra.No need to be sorry,we can always discus this subject if you want to.
wakeup.
there is a topic about itQuote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,09:18) Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2012,03:03) Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,08:58) Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,00:27) Hi Wakeup, Born of the “HolySpirit” is what makes us born again – you disagree?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDj.I disagree; we are born once,and we will be born one more time(again) in a new body. Born of the spirit.
there is no such as born again and again.I know this is not what the majority has been taught,and therefore hard to believe. just need to study the scriptures re' this once more.wakeup.
wakeupsorry but I have to agree with EDJ on this one ,born again is done within your live time not after
Terra.No need to be sorry,we can always discus this subject if you want to.
wakeup.
Luv toHi Wakeup,
Let us take these one at a time and see what the truth might me.
1.
Quote You obviously believe that Jesus is God in the flesh.
This alone is contradicting John 1:14. The word was made flesh—not God.John 1:1 says the Word was God. So your so called contradiction in John 1:14 is not at all a contradiction. A Spirit is not a person and a power is not a person, so Jesus Christ is the ONLY person of the Godhead. And that is exactly what the scriptures say.
2.
Quote And you also believe that God died on the cross.
But when jesus died on the cross,God left him alone,so who really died on the cross?I believe the completely sinless Son of God died on the cross. The fleshly temple made in the likeness of man, that God choose to dwell in died on the cross.
3.
Quote You also believe that Jesus was born again at his babtism.
This means that he was not born again before the babtism?Jesus was born a man and received the baptism of the Holy Ghost at the Jordon river. And this happened before His death.
4
Quote Jesus was Gods child before he was babtised,not only after.
We are not born again after the our babtism,but at the resurrection,with a new spirit body,because we then are born of the spirit,and we will be spirit.We are still flesh today,but with a conformed mind:
we are now begotten of God; not born again yet; till the coming.This is your conjecture, what you have been taught and it just isn't true. The Spirit is still calling, and all those that will put down church doctrine and believe God's Word, will be sealed with His Spirit until they are changed.
EPHESIANS 4:30 † And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.God Bless
MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ July 24 2012,10:01) Hi Wakeup, Let us take these one at a time and see what the truth might me.
1.
Quote You obviously believe that Jesus is God in the flesh.
This alone is contradicting John 1:14. The word was made flesh—not God.John 1:1 says the Word was God. So your so called contradiction in John 1:14 is not at all a contradiction. A Spirit is not a person and a power is not a person, so Jesus Christ is the ONLY person of the Godhead. And that is exactly what the scriptures say.
2.
Quote And you also believe that God died on the cross.
But when jesus died on the cross,God left him alone,so who really died on the cross?I believe the completely sinless Son of God died on the cross. The fleshly temple made in the likeness of man, that God choose to dwell in died on the cross.
3.
Quote You also believe that Jesus was born again at his babtism.
This means that he was not born again before the babtism?Jesus was born a man and received the baptism of the Holy Ghost at the Jordon river. And this happened before His death.
4
Quote Jesus was Gods child before he was babtised,not only after.
We are not born again after the our babtism,but at the resurrection,with a new spirit body,because we then are born of the spirit,and we will be spirit.We are still flesh today,but with a conformed mind:
we are now begotten of God; not born again yet; till the coming.This is your conjecture, what you have been taught and it just isn't true. The Spirit is still calling, and all those that will put down church doctrine and believe God's Word, will be sealed with His Spirit until they are changed.
EPHESIANS 4:30 † And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.God Bless
Marlin
Marlin.And the word was God,the same was in the beginning WITH GOD.
first; God had no beginning: can you address this?
And the word was WITH GOD,can you clarify this?
second: Jesus said: I proceeded OUT OF THE FATHER. Can you understand this?Jesus created all: he is the word of God; pslms ch.33:6.By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them,by the BREATH OF HIS MOUTH.(his word).
Are you going to contradict this?
———————————————————–Was Jesus not clear enough when he said: When you are born of the FLESH you are FLESH.
When you are born of the SPIRIT you are SPIRIT.
Are you going to contradict this statement,with what you have been taught?Born again means that you will be born 2 times,no more.
Zion will give birth to a nation in one day; can you understand this?Isiah 66:7. Before she travailed,she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered for a man child.(this is jesus birth).by the will of the Father.
66:8. Who had heard such a thing? Who had seen such things? SHALL THE EARTH BE MADE TO BRING FORTH IN ONE DAY? OR SHALL A NATION BE BORN AT ONCE? For as soon as Zion travailed,she brought forth HER CHILDREN. (the resurrected ones).Born again in a new spirit body.
Nothing to do with babtism.Go by the scriptures,not by mans teachings.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,11:09) Marlin. Jesus created all: he is the word of God; pslms ch.33:6.By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them,by the BREATH OF HIS MOUTH.(his word).
Are you going to contradict this?wakeup.
Hi Wake-up; so much for God creating it alone then.“I the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone;
that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;” (Isa 44:24)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote Marlin. And the word was God,the same was in the beginning WITH GOD.
first; God had no beginning: can you address this?
And the word was WITH GOD,can you clarify this?
second: Jesus said: I proceeded OUT OF THE FATHER. Can you understand this?Jesus created all: he is the word of God; pslms ch.33:6.By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them,by the BREATH OF HIS MOUTH.(his word).
Are you going to contradict this?
———————————————————–Was Jesus not clear enough when he said: When you are born of the FLESH you are FLESH.
When you are born of the SPIRIT you are SPIRIT.
Are you going to contradict this statement,with what you have been taught?Born again means that you will be born 2 times,no more.
Zion will give birth to a nation in one day; can you understand this?Isiah 66:7. Before she travailed,she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered for a man child.(this is jesus birth).by the will of the Father.
66:8. Who had heard such a thing? Who had seen such things? SHALL THE EARTH BE MADE TO BRING FORTH IN ONE DAY? OR SHALL A NATION BE BORN AT ONCE? For as soon as Zion travailed,she brought forth HER CHILDREN. (the resurrected ones).Born again in a new spirit body.
Nothing to do with babtism.Go by the scriptures,not by mans teachings.
wakeup.
My dear brother, I am not going to spar with you. You tell me to go to the scriptures and not by mans teachings, yet it is you that is going by mans teachings.
Jesus said that MY FATHER and I are ONE. If you have seem ME you have seen the FATHER. Yet do you not try to make them separate.
We are told by scripture that His name is Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US.
Not another God as you may believe, but the one and only God.
That is Thus saith the LordIsaiah told us the same thing in Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.This child was the all of it. The Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and the End. It can not be any plainer. Yet most will not see, because they have been blinded by the god of this age.
Scripture also says that you can not even see (understand) the kingdom of God without the Spirit of God in you. So if you are waiting for a body change to receive the Spirit of God, then you will never receive it. And that also is Thus saith the Lord.
In a very short time, the last cry will be done and judgement will strike the earth. Millions of people will be led to the slaughter and all along they were thinking that they were following God. But the little flock (bride) will be gone.
God Bless
MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ July 24 2012,23:39) Quote Marlin. And the word was God,the same was in the beginning WITH GOD.
first; God had no beginning: can you address this?
And the word was WITH GOD,can you clarify this?
second: Jesus said: I proceeded OUT OF THE FATHER. Can you understand this?Jesus created all: he is the word of God; pslms ch.33:6.By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them,by the BREATH OF HIS MOUTH.(his word).
Are you going to contradict this?
———————————————————–Was Jesus not clear enough when he said: When you are born of the FLESH you are FLESH.
When you are born of the SPIRIT you are SPIRIT.
Are you going to contradict this statement,with what you have been taught?Born again means that you will be born 2 times,no more.
Zion will give birth to a nation in one day; can you understand this?Isiah 66:7. Before she travailed,she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered for a man child.(this is jesus birth).by the will of the Father.
66:8. Who had heard such a thing? Who had seen such things? SHALL THE EARTH BE MADE TO BRING FORTH IN ONE DAY? OR SHALL A NATION BE BORN AT ONCE? For as soon as Zion travailed,she brought forth HER CHILDREN. (the resurrected ones).Born again in a new spirit body.
Nothing to do with babtism.Go by the scriptures,not by mans teachings.
wakeup.
My dear brother, I am not going to spar with you. You tell me to go to the scriptures and not by mans teachings, yet it is you that is going by mans teachings.
Jesus said that MY FATHER and I are ONE. If you have seem ME you have seen the FATHER. Yet do you not try to make them separate.
We are told by scripture that His name is Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US.
Not another God as you may believe, but the one and only God.
That is Thus saith the LordIsaiah told us the same thing in Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.This child was the all of it. The Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and the End. It can not be any plainer. Yet most will not see, because they have been blinded by the god of this age.
Scripture also says that you can not even see (understand) the kingdom of God without the Spirit of God in you. So if you are waiting for a body change to receive the Spirit of God, then you will never receive it. And that also is Thus saith the Lord.
In a very short time, the last cry will be done and judgement will strike the earth. Millions of people will be led to the slaughter and all along they were thinking that they were following God. But the little flock (bride) will be gone.
God Bless
Marlin
M1You tell others not to go with man teachings bu yo also go and use it,
Sins wen is God come to earth to die for men
Scriptures that he loved the world that he ad send his son to save it ,why you do not believe him???
Quote M1 You tell others not to go with man teachings bu yo also go and use it,
Sins wen is God come to earth to die for men
Scriptures that he loved the world that he ad send his son to save it ,why you do not believe him???
My brother Pierre, Unless a person be born again of the Spirit of God, the person will never understand.
JOHN 5:43 † I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Who's name did Jesus come in? He came in His Father's name. The Lord Jesus Christ.
And just like I have said before father is NOT a name, it is a TITLE.ACTS 4:12 † Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
NO salvation found in titles (God of peace, father, son, everlasting father, Son of David, prince of peace, bright and morning star) The only salvation there is will be found in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
COLOSSIANS 3:17 † And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Scripture says do all things in the Name of the Lord Jesus. working, playing, praying, baptism, do it all in His Name or don't do it at all.So to understand the bible, you MUST have the SPIRIT of God IN YOU.
God Bless
MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ July 25 2012,17:15) Quote M1 You tell others not to go with man teachings bu yo also go and use it,
Sins wen is God come to earth to die for men
Scriptures that he loved the world that he ad send his son to save it ,why you do not believe him???
My brother Pierre, Unless a person be born again of the Spirit of God, the person will never understand.
JOHN 5:43 † I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Who's name did Jesus come in? He came in His Father's name. The Lord Jesus Christ.
And just like I have said before father is NOT a name, it is a TITLE.ACTS 4:12 † Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
NO salvation found in titles (God of peace, father, son, everlasting father, Son of David, prince of peace, bright and morning star) The only salvation there is will be found in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
COLOSSIANS 3:17 † And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Scripture says do all things in the Name of the Lord Jesus. working, playing, praying, baptism, do it all in His Name or don't do it at all.So to understand the bible, you MUST have the SPIRIT of God IN YOU.
God Bless
Marlin
m1Quote So to understand the bible, you MUST have the SPIRIT of God IN YOU. Quote My brother Pierre, Unless a person be born again of the Spirit of God, the person will never understand. IT SEEMS you know what it take but can not grasp it ;
Jn 5:42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts.
Jn 5:43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.
Jn 5:44 How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God ?
Jn 5:45 “But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.you quoted those scriptures (one) above but did you understand it
it seem to me you did not ,did you believe that the son of God ,Jesus Christ said that he came IN HIS FATHER NAME
did you never talk in someone else name were you that person that you represent NO,Ac 4:10 then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.
Ac 4:11 He is
“ ‘the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the capstone.’
Ac 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”was this not the way God want it to be
yes ,why are you not believing what it says in scriptures are you a believer Col 3:14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
Col 3:15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful.
Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.
Col 3:17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.did not Christ came in the name of his father ? yes ,did his father made it this way ? yes, so ask all things through Christ is normal it works in both direction,
if you do not believe what scriptures are saying tell me HOW CAN YOU RECIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT
Hi T,
You will never understand the truth of scripture without God's Spirit in you.
JOHN 3:3 † Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see (understand) the kingdom of God.
God Bless
MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ July 25 2012,12:18) Hi T, You will never understand the truth of scripture without God's Spirit in you.
JOHN 3:3 † Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see (understand) the kingdom of God.
God Bless
Marlin
Hi Marlin,see: be aware, behold, consider, perceive
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgHi T,
I CORINTHIANS 1:19 † For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.20 † Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 † For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
No one will ever understand the written word without the Spirit of God in them.
Some don't believe it is for anyone at this time, They are wrong.
Some believe they have it, yet they De-neigh the truth of the written word, so they prove they don't have it.
Some believe that studying the Word is receiving the Holy Ghost, they are deceived.A person must be born again of the Spirit of God or the person WILL BE DECEIVED…
God Bless
MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ July 25 2012,23:06) Hi T,
I CORINTHIANS 1:19 † For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.20 † Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 † For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
No one will ever understand the written word without the Spirit of God in them.
Some don't believe it is for anyone at this time, They are wrong.
Some believe they have it, yet they De-neigh the truth of the written word, so they prove they don't have it.
Some believe that studying the Word is receiving the Holy Ghost, they are deceived.A person must be born again of the Spirit of God or the person WILL BE DECEIVED…
God Bless
Marlin
M1Quote A person must be born again of the Spirit of God or the person WILL BE DECEIVED… I assume that with your comment you have established that I DID NOT HAVE BEEN REBORN IN GODS SPIRIT right
if you say YES please could you tell me what are your bases to come to that conclusion
thank you
Quote (Marlin1 @ July 25 2012,19:18) Hi T, You will never understand the truth of scripture without God's Spirit in you.
JOHN 3:3 † Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see (understand) the kingdom of God.
God Bless
Marlin
M1tell me can you receive Gods spirit without believing what scriptures are saying
M1
tell me if some one interpret the scriptures with is own mind based on his own men understanding does not that person place it self above Gods word ???and so not be a obedient but a rules of it
Quote M1 Quote
A person must be born again of the Spirit of God or the person WILL BE DECEIVED…I assume that with your comment you have established that I DID NOT HAVE BEEN REBORN IN GODS SPIRIT right
if you say YES please could you tell me what are your bases to come to that conclusion
thank you
Maybe you should re-read what I said, I didn't say you…….
But I would say this, you correct me if I am wrong.
Did you not say that the baptism of the Holy Ghost was to believe the word?God Bless
Marlin
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