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Malachi 3:16, “Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name.
Is this book of remembrance referring to the Bible? And where did the word, Bible, come from? Perhaps it was meant to be called book of remembrance.
Hi sandra,
No I think it is one of the books mentioned in Rev 21.12
“..and books were opened…”
It may be another example of the mercy expressed by God to those who did not find salvation by going through the gate of Jesus but showed their love of Him by their love of His Word.Nick,
Rev 21:12, “And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates,and at the gates twelve angels,and names written there on, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel” How joyous and uplifting to hear of this!,
But what does it have to do with the book of remembrance spoken of in Malachi? To me this that tells of the Lord's presence at the writing of the scriptures and speaks, that they are not mere words but the very breath of My Father received through the Holy Ghost. But, you seem to think it speaks of some other books, what are these?
Hi sandra,
I do not know but scripture says there are “books” so the book of Life is not the only one.Nick, I hope you are not confusing the Lamb's Book of Life, spoken of in Revelation, “Rev.21:27, with referring to the scriptures.
The “little book” spoken of in Rev 10:10, is also not the same book as, this book is the one that tastes sweet but causes bitterness in John's belly.
And then the common word for book, written say for example in, Jn 20:30. “And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book.”
Which is the book of remembrance?
So what you are saying Nick, is that the book of remembrance spoken of in Malachi, is referred to in Revelations. This is incorrect. But that's okay, you seem to be getting a tad critical.
Nick heres where it says books
DANIEL 7:10
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.REVELATION 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
The book of remembrance spoken of in Malachi, when translated would be, “Then they that feared the Lord spoke oft with one another, and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a good book was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name.”
To me the point of the verse in Malachi is that God likes to hear us speak one to the other about Him, He hears and does not forget.
I don't know what a book of remembrance is, perhaps it gets read out at the marraige supper so all the guests can enjoy the memories contained in it, I don't know…We are told our names were put in the Lamb's book of Life before the foundation of the world.
Clearly our literal names are not contained in the Bible.
Yet our identification is.
Let me explain how I see this.
Ultimately we are motivated by one of two spirits.
The spirit of God or the spirit of the world.
We are identified as to which is the case with us by our attitude to God as revealed in His Word.
This is how Jesus identified some in his midst as being of their father the Devil, on the basis that they refused him and therefore the Word of God coming forth from him
This is how he identified those who were sheep, My sheep hear my voice….
So our names are recorded in Heaven on a book, our works are recorded in Heaven in a book or books. This is called a book of remembrance, waht is remembered? the fact that those who are written within feared the Lord and though often on His name and spoke often to one another about these things. So it could well be one of the books that are opened out of which judgement poceeds according to what was done…Quote (malcolm ferris @ April 08 2006,02:34) We are told our names were put in the Lamb's book of Life before the foundation of the world.
Clearly our literal names are not contained in the Bible.
Yet our identification is.
Let me explain how I see this.
Ultimately we are motivated by one of two spirits.
The spirit of God or the spirit of the world.
We are identified as to which is the case with us by our attitude to God as revealed in His Word.
This is how Jesus identified some in his midst as being of their father the Devil, on the basis that they refused him and therefore the Word of God coming forth from him
This is how he identified those who were sheep, My sheep hear my voice….
So our names are recorded in Heaven on a book, our works are recorded in Heaven in a book or books. This is called a book of remembrance, waht is remembered? the fact that those who are written within feared the Lord and though often on His name and spoke often to one another about these things. So it could well be one of the books that are opened out of which judgement poceeds according to what was done…
Hi Malcolm,
Good points. Perhaps it applies only to the OT and contains some of the names of the remnant who deserve special praise from God?Hi,
Enoch speaks of the Watchers-angels who watch and record the doings of men on the earth-and I believe they were the ones who became tempted during their tasks and “went into” the daughters of men. They sinned and are awaiting destruction.So Paul advises women to cover their heads “for the sake of the angels”
The term also appears in Daniel.
The behaviours of men are observed and recorded in books awaiting the white throne judgement. It is better to be written in the book of life and avoid that judgement.
This is not a question, but just an interesting description:
“I will never finish reading this book in my lifetime. It begins by having a beautiful home destroyed in rebellion. Tragedy, disaster, sorrow, murder and death follow. As the family multiplies, the plunge into despair and darkness accelerates. Centuries roll by, nations rise and fall, thousands of characters pass in review, every human emotion, from stark, raw hate, to a martyr’s love is encountered. Hope, beginning as a faint spark, grows to absolute assurance. A perfect government is to reestablish the beautiful home. It’s ruler is the King, Jesus Christ. The government, the Kingdom of God. The family, the human race. The book is the Bible!”
Hi,
Who loves truth?
Who will defend truth?It is plain that some will instead defend their translation, or their denomination and it's doctrines with the passion they should be using to defend truth itself.
Jesus is the truth.
He is the living Word of God.When we defend other than his truth we show our foundation is not on him but on sand.
It cannot stand.
It must fall.Hi,
The writing of the detail of the works and sayings of Jesus Christ many years after they occurred is the clearest evidence given that there is a Holy Spirit.
Jn16.14″ He will glorify me, for he will take of mine and will disclose it to you”Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 03 2006,20:00) Hi,
The writing of the detail of the works and sayings of Jesus Christ many years after they occurred is the clearest evidence given that there is a Holy Spirit.
Jn16.14″ He will glorify me, for he will take of mine and will disclose it to you”
Amen, Good stuff.But notice the unity of these three, the Holy Spirit receives from the Son because the Son has all things whatsoever the Father has.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: BECAUSE HE SHALL RECEIVE OF MINE and shall shew it to you.
Joh 16:15 ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER THE FATHER HATH ARE MINE. Therefore I said that HE SHALL RECEIVE OF ME and shew it to you.
Just so you don’t think I think the Son is the Father or that they are a single being I have included the following teaching.
254 The divine persons ARE REALLY DISTINCT from one another. “GOD IS ONE BUT NOT SOLITARY.” “Father”, “Son”, “Holy Spirit” ARE NOT SIMPLY NAMES designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: “He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son.” They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: “It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds.” The divine Unity is Triune.
255 The divine persons are relative to one another. Because it does not divide the divine unity, the real distinction of the persons from one another resides solely in the relationships which relate them to one another: “In the relational names of the persons the Father is related to the Son, the Son to the Father, and the Holy Spirit to both. While they are called three persons in view of their relations, we believe in one nature or substance.” Indeed “everything (in them) is one where there is no opposition of relationship.” “Because of that unity the Father is wholly in the Son and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Son is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Son.”
One in the unity of substance when you see the Son you see the perfect image of the Father, where the Holy Spirit is, the Father and Son are there also by unity of the Spirit. But definitely not singularity of number! I will explain more in a few days, when I have time.
I welcome you to test it against scripture and show me using scripture where I am lacking.Have to go to work…. Blessings.
Hi SS,
Is the Son of God truly a separate son living, by his choice, in unity with the Father??
If not of what relevance is his obedience?Is the Spirit of God a separate person from God Himself?
Would you separate God from His own spirit?
Jesus has a God according to Jn 20.17
If Jesus is our God, who is the God greater than he?
Hi,
Adam Pastor has suggested the bible, notably John's writings, are corrupted by Alexandrian influence.Can anyone add to or disprove such serious allegations?
It is a very convenient excuse when a person can take any scripture that doesn't fit ones' theology and say that is a corruption of the text. That way you have the liberty to pick and choose what is scripture and what is not. Taking advantage of this can lead a person to hear only that which his itching ears want to hear and instead of scripture painting the picture, such a person can fit scripture into their predefined doctrine.
However we know that there exist some corruption and many translations point out particular verses that are corrupt or are at least suspect.
There appears to be enough (or many texts) by which such judgements can be made.
Pointing to suspect verses and giving a history is good. I would expect someone to at least provide some proof if they were ignoring a script in the text, especially if it didn't fit their theology. Otherwise it would be hard to take that persons reasons seriously.
I am just making a general statement and this is not for anyone in particular.
Thx
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