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Quote (banana @ Dec. 25 2009,12:37) to all He's not hiding at all, he is across the ocean and celebrating Christ mass.
Georg
Greetings Georg…….The anti christ is all around us,the personage is about to reveal himself with the support of the false prophet who is in plain site for all to see…Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 26 2009,01:36) Quote (banana @ Dec. 25 2009,12:37) to all He's not hiding at all, he is across the ocean and celebrating Christ mass.
Georg
Greetings Georg…….The anti christ is all around us,the personage is about to reveal himself with the support of the false prophet who is in plain site for all to see…
Who do you think?Quote (georg @ Nov. 15 2009,19:37) terraricca Posted: Dec. 02 2007,10:48
A N T I C H R I S T
Antichrist has many names, or titles, if you will. He is also known as “the little horn”, as “the beast out of the earth”, as “the image of the beast”, he is also called “the false prophet”, and “the imposter”; and the truth is he is all of them. The first time reference is given to him, is in the book of Daniel.
Dan. 7:8 “I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little
horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots; and behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.”From the last study we should understand the meaning of a horn. It stands for power, for a king or ruler. Antichrist was not a real king, but he ruled as one. This little horn came up on the head of the Roman beast, showing that he had his beginning during the Roman Empire.
v. 7 “After this I saw in the night vision, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.”
v. 20 “And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout then his fellows.”
v. 21 “I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them.”This little horn would become the ruler of what used to be the western part of the Roman Empire. He then would begin to persecute the saints, make war with them, and execute all who refused to worship him.
v. 25 “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws; and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”
His rule over the saints would last three and a half years; a year for a day would make his rule last 1260 years. But his power was to be taken away at the end of his reign, by “the king of the north”.
Dan. 11:36 “And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the god of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determent shall be done.”
God had determent from the beginning that this little horn would rule for 1260 years, and then would loose his power to rule by being humiliated, exposed as a fraud. (See Napoleon) We next read about Antichrist in the book of Revelation.
Rev. 13:11 “And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.”
Coming up out of the earth, earth is a metaphor for people, and beast a metaphor for kingdom. He did not conquer any kingdoms, but he would rule what used to be the western part of the Roman Empire. He tried to appear as Christ the Lamb of God, but what he spoke, his doctrines were devilish; he is thee imposter.
Rev. 13:5 “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two month.”
Being antichrist does not mean hating Christ, it means coming instead of Christ, claiming to be the representative of Christ. That in itself would not be bad, we are all supposed to imitate Christ. But this imposter tried to appear as Christ. Notice the time period, when you convert forty-two month into days, you have 1260 days = years.
v. 6 “And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blasphemy his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.”
Jesus Christ was the only representative of God.
John 5:43 “I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not; if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.”
When you claim you are here as God’s representative, or claim you are the Vicar of the Son of God, you are blaspheming God. Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men.
1 Tim. 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”
When you persecute and kill his saints, his tabernacle, you are blaspheming God. Jesus never forced any one to believe him, and never killed any one for disagreeing with him. Antichrist did both.
Rev. 13: 7 “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.”
Rev. 13:15 “And he had power to give live unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.”Antichrists have been around since the Apostles. Paul criticized the Galatians,
Gal. 1:6 “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel.”
v. 7 “Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.”Antichrists are individuals trying to get a following in the name of Christ. They teach according what is appealing to their audience, they will pervert the true gospel to either, make it appealing or by scaring the audience.
“Thee” Antichrist did not leave it up to the people to believe his doctrines or not, when he began to rule, his power extended over all kindred’s, and languages, and nations.Rev. 13:12 “And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.”
He already had begun to rule like the first beast before him, Rome was the beast before him; but the Emperor was still in command so he made sure everybody worshiped the first beast. The fact that John mentions the deadly wound was healed tells us that he began to rule sometime after the healing; after 553 A.D. Why was that? Paul gives us the reason for his waiting;
2 Thes. 2:7 “For the mystery of iniquity does already work; only he who now letteth (restrains) will let (will restrain), until he (the restrainer) be taken out of the way.”
Someone was holding this beast out of the earth back. He had grown much since Constantine made Christianity the universal religion in 324 A.D. The Church grew in numbers and so did the overseers, the Bishops; they were also called Pope, Father. In 533 A.D. the emperor Justinnian decided that only the Bishop of Rome should hold the title “Pope-Father”, and Holy was added later.
Let me briefly explain how Christianity became the Empires religion. Constantine had to fight many of his own to become sole Emperor of the Empire. The most famous battle was against Maxentius his brother in law, in 312 A.D. He claimed he had a vision; he saw a red cross in the heavens with the inscription under it “under this sign conquer”. He then had red crosses painted on the shields of his soldiers, and did win the battle. He gave credit for the victory to the God of this new religion “Christianity”. This red cross would become the mark of Rome, the Beast. Even the Crusaders fought under it. In 313 A.D. he stopped the persecution and gave Christians the freedom to practice their religion. In 321 A.D. he made a new law; worship service was to be held on Sunday and no work on that day. Then in 324 A.D. he declared Christianity the Universal religion of his Empire. This was the beginning of the Ro
man Catholic Church. In 325 A.D. he, Constantine, presided over the “first Council of Nicea”; over 300 Bishops attended; among other things it was decided what a Christian was and what he should believe; also that God was a trinity; that the commemoration of Christ’s death, no longer be kept, enforced by death, instead the resurrection be celebrated on Sunday. You better read that again, and slow this time.
The church too made compromises, one of which is the celebrating of the rebirth of the Sun god on Dec.25. It was changed to the birthday of the Son of God and is now known as Christmas. The Emperor made many changes in support of the church even build some Churches and that was not unusual or surprising because he was after all the Pontifex Maximus, “Chief religious Ruler”. Roman Emperors ruled not only over the State they ruled over all religions too. And that was what was restraining Antichrist, the Emperor, as long as there was an Emperor around he, Antichrist the Pope, would show his respect and made sure every one else did too.
The year 565 A.D. marked the end of waiting, Justinnian died, he was the last Emperor to rule the East and the West, because no other Emperor of the East was able to maintain control over the West. Now his reign of terror would begin, the restrainer was taken out of the way.Rev. 13:13 “And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.”
Lets go through this slowly; first of all, the Pope never performed any wonders or miracles except he made people wonder how a man of God could do these horrible things to other people. Second, this fire was not real fire from heaven above; fire is a metaphor for the fiery trials he put the saints through; as Peter explains.
1 Peter 1:7 “That the trails of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.”
The persecution, fiery trials, was ordered from the Popes heaven, the Vatican, his place of religious authority. Heaven above is God’s place of authority, all authority. On the earth, earth meaning, on all the people that dared to oppose him; in the sight of men, public torture and execution.
Rev. 13:14 “And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword and did live.”
This is were Antichrist is referred to as the image of the beast. Rome no longer ruled the west, and Antichrist assumed full power and control, not only over all religion, but also over all new kings that would arise out of what used to be the Western Roman Empire. The Pope admired the way the Roman Emperors had ruled, with a fist of iron and a sword, only he would leave the wielding of the sword to the new kings of Europe.
But “He” became the Emperor,
The Cardinals became the Senaters,
The Bishops became the Governors,
And the Priests and Monks became the Mayors.
Yes indeed, he became the image of the beast.Rev. 13:15 “And he had power to give live unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.”
He was the image, he had the power to command and any one that stood in his way, would not except his doctrines, would be killed. The numbers estimated of victims killed by Antichrist are as high as 50 million; sounds high does it not? And I suppose there is no way to verify the number; but, when you compare the number to Russians Dictator Joseph Stalin, who in only a quarter of a century killed over 20 million of his own people, and Adolf Hitler, who in as little as a decade killed 6 million Jews, where antichrists had over 12 Centuries to do his killing, then the number doesn’t appear so large anymore. Also, when we consider the number of Saints that gave their lives as a testimony for their faith to God; how many should we think fell away for fear of torture and death? Two, three times as many? Because this is what Paul said, would be another identifying sign for the Antichrist:
2 Thes. 2:3 “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.”
How many of us today could stand the test, and not deny Christ, facing torture and death? Early Catholic Church history reveals that some Popes claimed to be equal to God. People infect feared the Pope more then God.
v. 4 “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God”.
The temple of God are the saints, sitting in the temple is to say, he was in command over them, he set himself up as their god and any disobedience ended in death.Rev. 13:16 “And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.”
Now this is the verse that has people scared half to death; and all because it is so misunderstood. First of all, we have to keep in mind that the scriptures from verses 11 – 18, are all referring to the beast out of the earth, the imposter, the image, in short, Antichrist. Then it says, a mark, which is an indication that Antichrist has more then one mark by which those that have received it, can be identified. What are his marks? They are his doctrines. In your right hand means, you received, accepted his doctrine; in your forehead, yes you believe his doctrine. And yes, had you lived during his reign, it would not have mattered who or what you were; it was very simple; if you’re not with me then you’re against me; and that meant death.
Rev. 13:17 “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”
This is the other scary verse; no man might buy or sell; buy or sell what? Now that we know that these verses are not written for our time, we should also realize that they do not refer to food or any other commodity. What no man could buy or sell was the Word of God. Bibles were hard to come by and even when they were; you were caught reading or owning a bible you were killed. People were kept in the dark about the word of God; they were easier to control and fooled that way; they were left to their superstition and made to believe that the Pope had godlike powers. Only those that had the mark, the cross; Monks, Priests, Bishops and Cardinals, always wore a cross, and still do; or the name of the beast, Roman Catholic, could buy, “read”, or sell, “teach” the word of Antichrist. The number 666 is not even a mark, it is the number of his name that identifies him whose number it is as Antichrist.
v. 18 “Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”
The number of his name, a name could also be a title. The Pope has a crown, a triple crown, called the “tiara”. On it is an inscription in Latin; “VICARIVS FILII DEI”, which means, “Vicar of the Son of God”. Latin letters also have a numerical value,
V I C A R I V S – F I L I I – D E I
5 1 100 0 0 1 5 0 0 1 50 1 1 500 0 1 = 666To help identify that man, whose name is that number; is the only significance of that number. Coincident? With God there are no coincidents. Why did Jesus tell us?
John 5:43 “I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive (believe) me not; if another shall come i
n his own name, him ye will receive (believe).”
v. 44 “How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?”Have we forgotten the warning?
Mat. 24:4 “And Jesus answered and said unto them, take heed that no man deceive you.”
v. 5 “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”How many Churches, denominations do we have today that call themselves Christians? And why are there so many denominations? We only have one Bible, shouldn’t every Church be teaching the same? And do they not all confess that Jesus is Christ? Where did all these churches and denominations originate? Until the early 16th Century the Pope ruled supreme, then in 1517 A.D., a German Monk, Martin Luther spoiled it all for the Pope. He dared to oppose the Pope by making his 95 disagreements with the Catholic Church public, thanks to the printing press, which had been invented a century earlier. It did not take long and others followed, broke away from the Catholic Church. Most of the blame goes to the totally corrupt and immoral behavior of the clergy. History recalls this period as the “Great Reformation”. New Churches sprang up all over Europe, in spite of the persecution. Whatever doctrine these new churches adopted, the basic teaching they held to was from the “Mother Church”, the “Roman Catholic Church”.
And how did Paul come to the Corinthians?1 Cor. 2:1 “And I, bretheren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.”
v. 4 “And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power.”
v. 5 “That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.”What is it that draws people to a particular church? Why do people choose to belong to a Baptist church, or a Methodist, or Lutheran, or any other denomination? I believe the most common answer would be, my parents and grand parents belonged to it. But there are other reasons why people go to a certain church, one is, its a beautiful building, another reason is, they have entertainment, and not least of all, they have a powerful and skilled speaker, he really knows what he’s talking about. It is the last reason I gave, we have to be most beware of, as Paul warned us about.
Col. 2:8 “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments (principles) of the world, and not after Christ.”
Now let me say something about the mark of the beast, the mark of Rome, the cross. Christians are obvious very fond of the cross. We see it on top of Churches; we have it displayed in Churches, in Hospitals, in our homes and around our necks. We practically worship the cross. So I want you to consider for just a moment. What if Jesus had been beheaded as John the Baptist? Or if he had been hung as Judas did? What if the Roman soldiers had used him for target practice? What if he had died of one of a dozen other ways? Would our admiration for that object of death be the same? Would we display it the same as the cross? The cross was one of, if not the cruelest means of death. The victim was nailed to the cross naked; open to shame and ridicule, insults and harassment; unprotected from the weather, unable to defend against insect’s and birds; left hanging there till death which could take as long as a week. Jesus died that same afternoon, he laid down his life for us, no one took it from him. That is also the reason why permission had to be obtained for the release of Jesus from the cross; it was highly unusual for a victim to die so soon.
Luke 23:50 “And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor, and he was a good man, and a just.”
v. 52 “This man went unto Pilate and begged the body of Jesus.”And even then, a soldier made sure Jesus was dead by piercing him with a lance.
Now, we may think that Paul speaks highly of the cross;1 Cor. 1:17 “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel; not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.”
v. 18 “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”But he is not; it should be obvious that when Paul says, cross of Christ, he means Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. It is after all not the cross that saves us, but Christ’s death on the cross, his sacrifice, and do we think about his sacrifice when we hang a silver, or gold, or diamond studded cross around our neck? It is, like it or not, the mark of the beast. What are some of the marks of the image of the beast, Antichrist? That identifies those that have received them, right hand, and believe them, forehead?
The believe in a trinity;
The believe in the equality of the son to the Father;
The believe in man’s immortal soul;
Praying to statues of saints,
The confessing of ones sins to a Priest, a man,
Celebrating of the Mass as a sacrifice for sins,
Paying for indulgencies, etc. etc.Rev. 14:6 “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.”
v. 7 “Saying with a loud voice, fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of water.”
v. 8 “And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”Babylon stands for confusion, false religion. The city that has been representing Babylon is Rome, to be more precise, the Vatican in Rome. She hasn’t fallen yet, but it want be long now. The Roman Catholic Church has made all nations drunk with her false doctrines. God is saying, there is still time to come out of her system.
v. 9 “And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, if any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand.”
v. 10 “The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.”This is God’s last warning to stop worshiping the beast and his image. This, and the previous study thoroughly explaine who they are. This judgment will be on the entire world, and will bring about the end of this era. Jesus Christ, his angels, and the resurrected saints will be witnessing God’s judgment on the world. Fire and brimstone only emphasize the severity of God’s judgment.
v. 11 “And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
Just as the smoke of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God,Rev. 8:4 “And the smoke of the incense, which came up with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel’s hand.”
So will the cries of those that did not heed his warning. For ever and ever, as long as God’s punishment will last. The mark of his name? The name is Rome; the mark of Rome is the cross.
Rev. 14:12 “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”
What is the patience of the saints?
To know the word of God and wait patiently, trusting him to carry it out. Jesus had faith in his Father, that after he died he would be resurrected.
v. 14 “And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the son of ma
n, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.”
v. 15 “And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, thrust in thy sickle, and reap; for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.”Jesus had told us, the harvesting of the world would come at the end of the world.
Matt. 13:38 “The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one.”
v. 39 “The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.”
v. 40 “As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.”
v. 41 “The son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and the which do iniquity.”
v. 42 “And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”There are several things we have pay attention too what these scriptures are saying. Jesus is speaking of the end of this age, not far from now. God’s wrath will be on the entire world. He will gather the tares, those who do iniquity and cast them into a furnace of fire, this is not the lake of fire, this is not God’s final judgment. He will punish all that have ignored his word; there will be much suffering; wailing and gnashing of teeth, the smoke of their torment shall ascent up before God, who will turn away. He had allowed both, the wheat and the tares, to grow until harvesting.
v. 30 “Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, gather ye together first the tares, and bind them to bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”
This is what we read in,
Rev. 14:17 “And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.”
v. 18 “And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.”
v. 19 “And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.”The great winepress is synonymous with, a furnace of fire.
v. 20 “And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horses bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.”
“Without the city”, this city are God’s holy saints, they are protected from the wrath of God. The “winepress” and the “river of 200 miles of blood”, are symbolic in a way. We assume it is a river, because it is 200 miles long, and four and a half feet deep; it doesn’t say how wide; if it was only 100 feet wide, it would require the blood of the entire world population; and that is precisely the point being made hear.
Noah was told to build an Ark, and it saved him and his family; what God is asking us today don’t come close to the time and labor involved of building an Ark.
Our tradition can be our worst enemy; it’s like quicksand, hard to get out off, even when shown the truth. Jesus referred to it as new wine.Luke 5:37 “And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.”
v. 38 “But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.”
v. 39 “No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new; for he saith, the old is better.”I know first hand change doesn’t come easy, and it doesn’t come quick, but I have also learned, God is a patient God, he works the miracles, he expects no miracles from us. We are living in the most serious of generation. Remember the Fig Tree?
Mat. 24:32 “Now learn a parable of the fig tree, when his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh.”
This fig tree is Israel; it put forth leaves in 1948 when Israel became a Nation again
v. 33 “So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the door.”
v. 34 “Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”We are seeing all these things, and more. The bible tells us what a generation is.
Ps. 90:10 “The days of our years are threescore years and ten (70 years); and if by reason of stength (health) they be fourscore years (80 years), yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.”
In other words, a generation is 70 years; 1948 plus 70 years, you do the math. Do we hear God’s call; come out of her my people? Do we even understand what God is calling us to come out of? Do we understand, any church, which teaches any doctrine that Antichrist is teaching, has received a mark?
Rev. 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”
“Her”, is the woman sitting on the scarlet colored beast, she represents “all” false religion. It is not what we call ourselves that matters; it is what God calls us “my people” that matters. We are only his people if we believe him. To be spared from “her plagues” you have to know the doctrines of God. God has punished his chosen people, the Israelites, very severely for their idolatry and disobediens;
Hos. 4:6 “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou has rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee…”
A lack of knowledge or lack of understanding of the word of God shows a lack of interest in the word of God and God himself. We put to much trust in others; read what God says in;
Eze. 14:13 “Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it.”
v. 14 “Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord God.”
v. 15 “If I cause noisome beasts (enemy nations) to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts.”
v. 16 “Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate.”
v. 17 “Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it.”
v. 18 “Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; but they only shall be delivered themselves.”
v. 19 “Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast.”
v. 20 “Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.”Not even these holy men could deliver us, it is really very plain, if you ignore his warning now, he will ignore your cry later.
Jer. 11:11 “Therefore thus saith the LORD, behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them.”
It doesn’t matter who teaches us, it is our responsibility to prove all things, ignorance will not save you, and neither will blaming others.Again, take your time reading.
Georg
That is the Anti-Christ. Many have come in His name. Where is He today? Look around you, He is still here!!!! Look what the Catholic Church is still doing. Even though His power is diminished somewhat, He is still in power and deceiving many, unfortunately. I am forever thankful to God for getting us out of that Church. We belonged to the Catholic Church for all our Lives until 1984-85 when my Husband was 45 and I was 46 years old. Since then God has shown us many new truths.
The trinity doctrine being the first and today the preexisting of Jesus.
Peace and Love IreneHi Irene
My parents are still in the Catholic Church, and all the other family, theyre Irish Catholics, none of them will ever leave lol, but good on you for following what God showed you.
Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 27 2009,11:53) Hi Irene My parents are still in the Catholic Church, and all the other family, theyre Irish Catholics, none of them will ever leave lol, but good on you for following what God showed you.
Yes,we are very thankful to God for calling us out of Her. But that is not unusual for Catholics to think that Catholics are the one and true Church. Georg's Mother once told us when we told Her what the Bible said, Her reply was:” If that is what it says trow the Bible away.” Needless to say we didn't.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2009,07:42) hi all
the anti-christ is whoever does not produced the fruits of the kingdom of god,
No, terraricca, that is not an anti-Christ, that is a “tare”.Georg
The beast is the anti-christ. The second beast promotes the beast. To me, in my view, those who view Elvis as 'The King' have been decieved. They have exchanged the truth for a lie. The money hungry music media companys are the second beast. It's just that simple to me. I've seen fire come down from heavan at concerts. Rock and roll has brought “glorifing” evil to an art. Mick Jagger”Hope you guess my name”- sympathy for the devil. Also “you'll never make a saint of me”. “It's gonna bring you down”-welcome to the jungle, Guns and roses. Are you in the mood to be outraged? Google black metal and read you some lyrics. They actually insult God and make fun of Christians. God please come soon.
I believe 666 is very simple. I believe in the trinity. God in three persons. A trinity is three. If each being is in each other and all three are differant, then each ones number would be 333. There are 3 of them. 333+333+333=999, god's whole number. Turn that around(the opposite of God) –666. Interesting enough, also live-evil:love-evol. As I stated in other post I believe the anti-christ is this worlds king-Elvis..Evils. Godbless.:)
The Antichrist is a topic I like to talk about again because it was ended on a somewhat strange note; Elvis.
Many people think “the Antichrist” is yet to appear, due to the teachings of most churches.
Others think there is a Antichrist in all people that don't believe in Jesus, they are somewhat right because Antichrists come in many forms, but, they are not the once Paul refers to as “the man of perdition”.
Along with the teaching of the coming of Antichrist, ministers talk about the rapture, and seven years of tribulation; there is no scriptural prove of either.
What I wonder about is; how can people be fooled so easily?Georg
Hi Georg
There was and is a spirit of Antichrists, there were many, but there is THE Antichrist to come as is in the book Revelations.
It is I believe Islam and all who refuse to submit.. Worship will be persectuted and killed. I also believe it was only refering to the Middle East. But the repercussions will effect the World. (example the markets)
This is already happening in the Middle East they have ID cards which say either M, J or C (muslim christian or jew). You need them to buy (have bank accounts) gain employment etc. Christians right now are being killed there for their belief in Christ.
Watch for the coming of their Mahdi (Similar to how Christians await the coming of Messiah), apparently the presedent of Iran is in some kind of contact with this “Messiah” and he is soon to come onto the world scene to usher in the last days.
karmarie
That is of course the talk, but what scriptures do you have to back that up?
Besides, that is not what ministers are teaching either; they claim you will have a number tattooed, 666, on your right hand or forehead; that is, after all the believers are raptured to heaven.Georg
Hi georg
The number 666 being tattooed on your hand or forehead or inplanted is a load of rubbish IMO as is the rapture.
Who is the Antichrist but he who denies the Father and the Son ..this is the Antichrist.
Islam denies the Father and the Son, in Islam it is a repeated theme throughout the Quran that God has NO Son. It is the same in the Jewish Talmud which insults Jesus, both of these are antichrist.In Islam Allah is Arabic for God. But God is just a title…Jesus used the words Father…Heavenly Father…Allah in the 99 names has no such name as Father or YHVH or YHWH…God (or Allah) the title.. Satan is known to be the god of this world. Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world.
Muslim countries are one of the most unreached places on earth, only 1% of Christianity are missionaries there. Converting to Christianity is a crime, as is witnessing as a Christian. (the punishment is beheading)
In Early Church Writtings on what they thought of the coming Antichrist and tribulation, they believed there would be 3 1/2 years of unparalleled times, then would be the end. This hasnt happened yet. They also said the Jews would be brought back, gathered back to Isreal and it would become a Nation again, well they were right there, they said the Antichrist would rule from Jerusalem.
The Antichrist 'beast' kingdom will demand worship and will punish or kill those who wont
What other religion in the World so huge has within its writtings that (non Muslims…non submitters) should be killed/beheaded (unless they convert to Islam)? I know of none.
(I could post all the verses which are in the Quran but im not allowed to here).. it has to do with their own prophecy and the last days.
I was on a site the other day it had a long list of Middle East Christians beheaded for their Faith in Christ they refused to convert to Islam or were converts to Christianity from Islam
Revelations…”I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands”.
The mark of the beast may not nessesarily be literal (Forehead could = thoughts, mind, belief, Right Hand could = actions).
I do know that in the Quran it says the mark of prostration (prayer 5 times a day) is on the forehead and by this they will either enter Heaven or Hell .
The Bible says people wont be able to buy or sell unless they recieve the mark..
Many countries in the Middle East are using an ID card, on the card it states Religion (M for Muslim, C for Christian or J for Jew) The cards are needed for buying (bank accounts), education, medical care, work. Christians in the Middle East are having a hard time already for being Christian.
Also decieving the whole world could mean just the Middle East (with repercussions for the entire world as a result) ..(Maps showing the spread of Islam and its rapid growth are interesting). I dont know how it ties in with the early writtings or other books of the Bible example Daniel though because I havent looked into that properly?
Regarding the Mahdi or 12th Imam, the Iranian President said in an interview that he was in 'direct contact' with this Mahdi in some way.
..Al Mahdi and the End of Time….page 16…The Mahdi will offer the religion of Islam to the Jews and Christians; if they accept it they will be spared, otherwise they will be killed.”
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