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You have been shown these scriptures before.
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
What is it that you don't understand in these scriptures?
Confessing our sins, admitting we have sinned, is asking for forgiveness, what would be the point of confessing.
I can tell you what you're doing wrong, not believing the scriptures is calling God a Liar; do you thing that might be a sin?Georg
Hey Georg: I see that you didn't list any of your sins! I would think a person that is in sin, then forgiven, then in sin, then forgiven and on and on would at least know what sins he is commiting.
Apparantly you don't even believe the middle scripture your quoting that if we confess our sin he is faithful and just to forgive us AND CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS!!
It can't get any clearer than that. Bless you, TKTK
Why would I confess my sins to you, do you have the power to forgive sins?
I don't think it is that you don't understand the scriptures, you just don't want to admit you do.
What do you take for your headaches?Georg
Georg: You were the one that brought up the idea that we sin all the time.I didn't ask you to confess your sin I ask you to list what sins are. You'll avoid it again. I would think that if you sin all the time that you would know what it is you are doing and calling sin. You are just as sinfree as anyone else. You have been bought with a price and are covered by the blood of Jesus. You are the righteousness of God in Christ. You have been cleansed by the words of God through Jesus.
You just choose to not believe it!
It is for whosoever will believe that truth. Bless you, TKTK
Your argument is not with me, as I said times before, I did not write the scriptures, I only quote them.
You on the other hand ignore them and try to avoid them, the reason is obvious.“I can tell you what you're doing wrong, not believing the scriptures is calling God a Liar; do you thing that might be a sin?”
This is from a previous post, would you like to comment on it now?Georg
Hi TK,
Did the blood of Jesus and his words cleanse magically all sinners while they carried on in sin?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,13:02) Hi TK,
Did the blood of Jesus and his words cleanse magically all sinners while they carried on in sin?
Nick: Here's your chance to tell me what sin is. What do you mean carried on in sin? What action are you calling sin? Or is sin believing incorrectly. How might we be so called born into sin or born of sin?
Whether you agree or not the blood of Jesus took away our sin forever for those who believe. If they don't believe that their sin is gone, then they are in sin and the truth is not in them. Christ does not dwell in sin. If you have the errant belief that you are in sin, Christ cannot dwell within.(the mind) Sin is against God or separates a person from union with God in their mind. Not in truth, for God is everywhere. IN THEIR MIND THEY ARE SEPARATED BY SIN! If you think you are a sinner then you have rejected the truth of Jesus who says you are clean, and denied Christ access to dwell within your sin filled mind. TKGeorge: You keep telling me that I am calling God a liar. I never have, thats just plain mean! You think you are correct in your beliefs and I think I am correct in mine. Can we not debate without hate? If you wish to believe you have sin that is your choice. The scriptures I read tell me that Jesus took away my sin and cleansed me from all unrighteousness. That is my choice to believe. I believe that sin is a belief that something has blocked my union with God/perfection. I find our union is unconditional unless I reject God. Righteousness is only by faith since the beginning. I believe the gift of life in Christ has cleansed me and you and all others that will believe. It seems you choose to reject that truth. No need to get angry at me. God Bless you, TK
TK
Scroll up a bit and look at the three scriptures I put up for you, and then comment on them.
If you reject what these scriptures are saying, you would be calling God a Liar, would you not?
And no, I don't hate you or any one else, but as I said, I do get frustrated when I answer your questions, and you ignore mine.
Yes, you have a choice to believe whatever you want, but don't come and say, this is what the bible teaches when it does not; and I have given plenty scriptures to the contrary of your believes.
You ask, what is sin? look up 1 John 3:4.Georg
Quote (banana @ Nov. 27 2009,01:25) TK Scroll up a bit and look at the three scriptures I put up for you, and then comment on them.
If you reject what these scriptures are saying, you would be calling God a Liar, would you not?
And no, I don't hate you or any one else, but as I said, I do get frustrated when I answer your questions, and you ignore mine.
Yes, you have a choice to believe whatever you want, but don't come and say, this is what the bible teaches when it does not; and I have given plenty scriptures to the contrary of your believes.
You ask, what is sin? look up 1 John 3:4.Georg
Ok Georg: You quoted scriptures in 1John, 1-7,8,9,10—-
v7 If we walk in the light,as he is in the light we have fellowship together and ,”THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST HIS SON CLEANSEDTH US FROM ALL SIN!!!v8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (that has to be the position you were in before you walked in the light)
v9 (if after v8) If we confess our sins, he is FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS, AND CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.
v10 (once again this would be before v9) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Don't you see that if one does acknowledge his sin and he is then cleansed by the word of God. Then he has no sin.
One is in sin UNTIL he confesses and is forgiven of the sin and cleansed of all unrighteousness. THEN HE IS CLEAN!!!
If one recognizes his sin and confesses he is cleansed. If then you still say you have sin you make Jesus out to be a liar.
Walk in the light and you are cleansed from sin!
Confess your sin and he is faithful and just to forgive your sin and cleanse you from all unrighteousness.Read the scriptures in this order 10-8-7-9
Thats why I say you are clean and sinless. I believe you have confessed and walk in the light. Bless you, TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 27 2009,04:07) Quote (banana @ Nov. 27 2009,01:25) TK Scroll up a bit and look at the three scriptures I put up for you, and then comment on them.
If you reject what these scriptures are saying, you would be calling God a Liar, would you not?
And no, I don't hate you or any one else, but as I said, I do get frustrated when I answer your questions, and you ignore mine.
Yes, you have a choice to believe whatever you want, but don't come and say, this is what the bible teaches when it does not; and I have given plenty scriptures to the contrary of your believes.
You ask, what is sin? look up 1 John 3:4.Georg
Ok Georg: You quoted scriptures in 1John, 1-7,8,9,10—-
v7 If we walk in the light,as he is in the light we have fellowship together and ,”THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST HIS SON CLEANSEDTH US FROM ALL SIN!!!v8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (that has to be the position you were in before you walked in the light)
v9 (if after v8) If we confess our sins, he is FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS, AND CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.
v10 (once again this would be before v9) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Don't you see that if one does acknowledge his sin and he is then cleansed by the word of God. Then he has no sin.
One is in sin UNTIL he confesses and is forgiven of the sin and cleansed of all unrighteousness. THEN HE IS CLEAN!!!
If one recognizes his sin and confesses he is cleansed. If then you still say you have sin you make Jesus out to be a liar.
Walk in the light and you are cleansed from sin!
Confess your sin and he is faithful and just to forgive your sin and cleanse you from all unrighteousness.Read the scriptures in this order 10-8-7-9
Thats why I say you are clean and sinless. I believe you have confessed and walk in the light. Bless you, TK
Tim! Do you really believe that you don't sin anymore? When you say that was before we walked in the light, I really don't understand that you say now we sin no more? So you never get upset with anybody? You don't want anything any more? Vanity Oh vanity. Paul also says that He does what He does not want to, and does not what He is to do.
We all are sinners and if you don't believe that I believe John tells us that the truth is not in us. Flesh still sins and if we do, we have a Mediator to go to God and ask for the forgiveness of our sins. Tell me for what do we have a Mediator for if you think we don't sin anymore? When you quote verse 9. Oh come on, are you not adding here? What we do is we strife to do away with all unrighteousness and become more like Christ, but that will take time, and all have fallen short of the glory of God. Sometimes we are not even aware of that we are sinning. Satan is very cunning and knows were our weakness is. The older I get the more patient I have and God is much closer then when I was younger.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (banana @ Nov. 27 2009,12:51) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 27 2009,04:07) Quote (banana @ Nov. 27 2009,01:25) TK Scroll up a bit and look at the three scriptures I put up for you, and then comment on them.
If you reject what these scriptures are saying, you would be calling God a Liar, would you not?
And no, I don't hate you or any one else, but as I said, I do get frustrated when I answer your questions, and you ignore mine.
Yes, you have a choice to believe whatever you want, but don't come and say, this is what the bible teaches when it does not; and I have given plenty scriptures to the contrary of your believes.
You ask, what is sin? look up 1 John 3:4.Georg
Ok Georg: You quoted scriptures in 1John, 1-7,8,9,10—-
v7 If we walk in the light,as he is in the light we have fellowship together and ,”THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST HIS SON CLEANSEDTH US FROM ALL SIN!!!v8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (that has to be the position you were in before you walked in the light)
v9 (if after v8) If we confess our sins, he is FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS, AND CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.
v10 (once again this would be before v9) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Don't you see that if one does acknowledge his sin and he is then cleansed by the word of God. Then he has no sin.
One is in sin UNTIL he confesses and is forgiven of the sin and cleansed of all unrighteousness. THEN HE IS CLEAN!!!
If one recognizes his sin and confesses he is cleansed. If then you still say you have sin you make Jesus out to be a liar.
Walk in the light and you are cleansed from sin!
Confess your sin and he is faithful and just to forgive your sin and cleanse you from all unrighteousness.Read the scriptures in this order 10-8-7-9
Thats why I say you are clean and sinless. I believe you have confessed and walk in the light. Bless you, TK
Tim! Do you really believe that you don't sin anymore? When you say that was before we walked in the light, I really don't understand that you say now we sin no more? So you never get upset with anybody? You don't want anything any more? Vanity Oh vanity. Paul also says that He does what He does not want to, and does not what He is to do.
We all are sinners and if you don't believe that I believe John tells us that the truth is not in us. Flesh still sins and if we do, we have a Mediator to go to God and ask for the forgiveness of our sins. Tell me for what do we have a Mediator for if you think we don't sin anymore? When you quote verse 9. Oh come on, are you not adding here? What we do is we strife to do away with all unrighteousness and become more like Christ, but that will take time, and all have fallen short of the glory of God. Sometimes we are not even aware of that we are sinning. Satan is very cunning and knows were our weakness is. The older I get the more patient I have and God is much closer then when I was younger.
Peace and Love Irene
TK is right it is your relationship to God that makes you pure as you do not practice transgression apart from correction, at that point there is no turning away from God because of faults you may have because now you are turning towards God and not constantly trying to give Him your back.TK
How can you be cleansed of a sin you haven't committed yet?
When today you sin and confess it, you are forgiven, but what about tomorrow?
God's forgiveness is ongoing, as long as you try to overcome your faults; but when you do fall, you start the process all over again.
No Tim, I know I am not sinless, but I do know my heavenly Father will forgive me when I do. To believe you don't sin, is just what the devil wants you to believe.Georg
Blue Letter Bible:
Dictionary Results for “Concerning Sin”:
Torrey's New Topical Textbook:
Its Nature:
Concerning Sin:Its origin, as regards the human race. The first man and woman, by their own choice, violated the law of 'Elohim; they sinned against 'Elohim.
Words, which describe sin in some of its forms.
Hebrew:
Chata: To go out of the way, to miss the mark.
Pasha: To transgress.
Avah: To twist, to act perversely.
Greek:
Hamaritia: A missing of the mark.
Paraptoma: A falling away from law, truth, right.
Parabasis: A going over or beyond truth and right, transgression.
Anomia: Lawlessness.
Asebeia: Irreverence.
Seems pretty simple.
Definition: Sin is any want of conformity unto, or transgression of, the law of 'Elohim.
And that is the sum of it. Whether you believe in the Law of 'Elohim or not.
Can't get any plainer or simpler.
You can't even refute it.
Sin and Its Extent and Penalty:
Concerning Sin:
By sinning, our first parents incurred the penalty of eternal death, including loss of communion with 'Elohim, supremacy of worldly affections, and consequent misery, wretchedness, and pain.
Gen 2:17; Eze 18:4; Mat 25:46; Rom 5:12; 6:23; 1Cr 15:58; Gal 6:8; Jam 1:15
There it is.
Sin natural to every human being, depravity being hereditary.
Psa 51:5; 58:3; Jer 17:9; Jhn 3:6; Rom 5:12-19; 7:14-24; 8:7; 1Cr 15:22; Gal 5:17,19-21; Eph 2:1,3
There it is.
All men sinners; therefore subject to same penalty incurred by the first sin.
Gen 6:5,11,12; 1Ki 8:46; 2Ch 6:36; Psa 53:1-3; Pro 20:6,9; Ecc 7:20; Jhn 3:19; Rom 3:9-18,23; 11:32; Gal 3:22; 1Jo 1:8,10
There it is.
Therefore all need redemption.
Jhn 3:5,6; Rom 5:18; 7:24,25; 2Cr 5:14,15,19; Gal 3:21,22; Tts 2:14; Hbr 2:9; 1Jo 2:2
Blue Letter Bible:
Dictionary Results for “Confession of Sin”:
Torrey's New Topical Textbook:'Elohim Requires Confession of Sin:
Lev 5:5; Hsa 5:15
'Elohim Regards Confession of Sin:
Job 33:27,28; Dan 9:20-23
Exhortation To Confession of Sin:
Jos 7:19; Jer 3:13; Jam 5:16
Promises To Confession of Sin:
Lev 26:40-42; Pro 28:13
Should Be Accompanied With Confession of Sin:
Submission to punishment
Lev 26:41; Neh 9:33; Ezr 9:13
Prayer for forgiveness
2Sa 24:10; Psa 25:11; 51:1; Jer 14:7-9,20
Self-abasement
Isa 64:5,6; Jer 3:25
G-dly sorrow
Psa 38:18; Lam 1:20
Forsaking sin
Pro 28:13
Restitution
Num 5:6,7
Should Be Full and Unreserved Confession of Sin:
Psa 32:5; 51:3; 106:6
Followed by Pardon Confession of Sin:
Psa 32:5; 1Jo 1:9
Illustrated Confession of Sin:
Luk 15:21; 18:13
Exemplified Confession of Sin:
Aaron
Num 12:11
Israelites
Num 21:6,7; 1Sa 7:6; 12:19
Saul
1Sa 15:24
David
2Sa 24:10
Ezra
Ezr 9:6
Nehemiah
Neh 1:6,7
Levites
Neh 9:4,33,34
Job
Job 7:20
Daniel
Dan 9:4
Peter
Luk 5:8
Thief
Luk 23:41
There it is.
Blue Letter Bible:
Dictionary Results for “Conviction of Sin”:
Thematic Subject Guide:Conviction of Sin:
Gen 4:13
Deu 28:65-67
Job 40:4-5
Psa 31:10; Psa 38:1-22; Psa 51:1-4; Psa 51:7-17
Isa 6:5
Lam 1:20
Eze 7:16-18; Eze 7:25-26; Eze 33:10
Mic 7:17
Luk 5:8
Act 2:37; Act 9:6; Act 16:29
Rom 2:15
1Cr 14:24-25Blue Letter Bible:
Dictionary Results for “Forgiveness of Sin”:
Easton's Bible Dictionary:Forgiveness of Sin:
One of the constituent parts of justification.
In pardoning sin, 'Elohim absolves the sinner from the condemnation of the law, and that on account of the work of the Messiah, i.e., he removes the guilt of sin, or the sinner's actual liability to eternal wrath on account of it.
All sins are forgiven freely (Act 5:31; 13:38; 1Jo 1:6-9).
The sinner is by this act of grace for ever freed from the guilt and penalty of his sins.
This is the peculiar prerogative of 'Elohim (Psa 130:4; Mar 2:5).
It is offered to all in the gospel.
Blue Letter Bible:
Dictionary Results for “Justification”:
Easton's Bible Dictionary:Justification:
A forensic term, opposed to condemnation.
As regards its nature, it is the judicial act of 'Elohim, by which he pardons all the sins of those who believe in the Messiah, and accounts, accepts, and treats them as righteous in the eye of the law, i.e., as conformed to all its demands.
In addition to the pardon (q.v.) of sin, justification declares that all the claims of the law are satisfied in respect of the justified.
It is the act of a judge and not of a sovereign.
The law is not relaxed or set aside, but is declared to be fulfilled in the strictest sense; and so the person justified is declared to be entitled to all the advantages and rewards arising from perfect obedience to the law (Rom 5:1-10).
It proceeds on the imputing or crediting to the believer by 'Elohim himself of the perfect righteousness, active and passive, of his Representative and Surety, Yeshua HaMoshiach (Rom 10:3-9).
Justification is not the forgiveness of a man without righteousness, but a declaration that he possesses a righteousness which perfectly and for ever satisfies the law, namely,
The Messiah's righteousness (2Cr 5:21; Rom 4:6-8).
The sole condition on which this righteousness is imputed or credited to the believer is faith in or on the Lord Yeshua HaMoshiach.
Faith is called a “condition,” not because it possesses any merit, but only because it is the instrument, the only instrument by which the soul appropriates or apprehends Yeshua HaMoshiach and his righteousness (Rom 1:17; 3:25,26; 4:20,22; Phl 3:8-11; Gal 2:16).
The act of faith which thus secures our justification secures also at the same time our sanctification (q.v.); and thus the doctrine of justification by faith does not lead to licentiousness (Rom 6:2-7).
Good works, while not the ground, are the certain consequence of justification (6:14; 7:6).
Pretty simple.
Blue Letter Bible:
Dictionary Results for “Fruits of Sin”:
Thematic Subject Guide:Fruits of Sin:
Gen 3:7-24; Gen 4:11-14; Gen 6:5-7
Deu 29:18
Job 4:8; Job 5:2; Job 13:26; Job 20:11
Psa 5:10; Psa 9:15-16; Psa 10:2; Psa 94:23; Psa 141:10
Pro 1:31; Pro 3:35; Pro 5:22-23; Pro 8:36; Pro 10:24; Pro 10:29-31; Pro 11:5-7; Pro 11:18-19; Pro 11:27; Pro 11:29; Pro 12:13-14; Pro 12:21; Pro 12:26; Pro 13:5; Pro 13:15; Pro 22:8; Pro 27:8; Pro 28:1; Pro 29:6; Pro 30:20
Isa 3:9; Isa 3:11; Isa 9:18; Isa 14:21; Isa 50:11; Isa 57:20-21
Jer 2:17; Jer 2:19; Jer 4:18; Jer 5:25; Jer 7:19; Jer 14:16; Jer 21:14
Eze 11:21; Eze 23:31-35
Hsa 8:7; Hsa 10:13; Hsa 12:14; Hsa 13:9
Mic 7:13
Mar 7:21-23
Act 9:5
Rom 5:12-21; Rom 7:5
1Cr 3:3; 1Cr 6:9-11
Gal 5:19-21; Gal 6:7
1Pe 4:3It is a choice for all: If you choose to believe you are in sin and sin even when you don't know you are sinning and don't even know what the sin is then you are in sin. Christ cannot dwell in sin, neither can God abide in sin nor Jesus. If you believe you are in sin after confessing your sin then you have denied that Jesus cleanses you from all unrighteousness.
If you deny that Jesus took your sin then there is no more cleansing avaliable. You have judged yourself and sinful, even when Jesus said that his words are from God and make you clean. You have denied your salvation through Christ and put at naught his works for God.There is no need to wait for a judgment day you have already made the judgment that you are in sin and apart from God. You can't be in sin and be one with God. God has no sin.
Neither God nor Jesus nor the Holy Spirit can come and make their abode in a sin filled person.
There is no sin in Heaven so you can't go there.
You have completely denied the works of Jesus that save us from the sentence of sin.
You have placed your own salvation in the works or acts that you do or don't do right according to yourself and condemned yourself.
You with sin have chosen this path and you don't even know what acts are sin because sin to God is not an act.
You have believed in death and destruction and sin instead of peace, love and joy in the Holy Ghost!! God said I set life and death before you, but choose life that you and your families might live. All sinners have their place. Bless all, TK
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