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Wakeup is this ‘a mill.doctrine’ the end-time eschatology that you adhere to?
Also, what is the full title of this doctrine?
Thanks
t8.
The amillennium believers say that the kingdom is here since the resurrection of Jesus.
Jesus has been ruling now for 2000years.
The postmillennium believers say the kingdom will come after Armageddon. This is what I believe.wakeup
Hi Wakeup.
1. Jesus and the disciples explained all we need to know concerning the old testament prophecies. The new testament prophecies were established on the old testament prophecies and the fulfillment is found in the new testament. What we believe should never deviate away from what simple truths were explained to us in the new testament. Not only explained but mostly fulfilled.
2. There isn’t much prophecies in the gospels you say. Only Revelations? Jesus summed prophecy up in the gospels, as did Peter and Paul.
3. “The falling away”…. Wakeup, people can *inwardly* fall away, but outwardly, they can keep up appearances and speak great things.
4. “What Christ will do after the coming”? After destroying the world, he will send his angels to gather the elect (those who do not shrink away at his coming). Sometime after is the second resurrection, then is the new heavens and the new earth.
5. The non Christians will be destroyed. They will be brought back in the second resurrection, and judged on what they did. They will be given either eternal life in the new heavens and earth, or eternal death.
6. “The war cut short “? You are adding words. Time will be cut short because if not then even the elect could be deceived.
7 and 8 and 9 later.
This is hard, because I’m not on my computer.
Wakeup, you are only partly telling the truth in your explanation to t8. The kingdom of God is growing and multiplying, as is evil growing and multiplying simultaneously side by side. Evil will get worse and worse. Until the harvest. The field is God’s.
7, 8. Gog, Magog and Armageddon. Not sure to be honest. Could be spiritual in meaning, evil almost overcoming the elect all over the world just prior to Jesus coming.
I have mixed up your two posts wakeup. Why have two posts both numbered? I only have a miniature screen ATM.
Wakeup, No comment?
Wat about this:
The kingdom of God is growing and multiplying, as is evil growing and multiplying simultaneously side by side. Evil will get worse and worse. Until the harvest. The field is God’s.
Do you agree, or disagree.
Where did you learn your beliefs?
Camillia.
I can nor agree with you, because God said: The land is desolate, and desolation will be until the consummation.
God has spoken.
And the great falling away is just around the corner.
Why would God send a great delusion?
2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The written Word is truth, the Word of God is truth, if anyone disregards the Word of God
He will be affected by the great delusion coming, and will be damned.wakeup.
I can nor agree with you, because God said: The land is desolate, and desolation will be until the consummation.
Where does it say that in the New Testament (The new covenant)? Please show me the scripture in the New Testament. All I have found is that the land is not desolate, but the land is ripe and plentiful:
“The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. “Therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest to send out workers into His harvest.”(Matt 9.37, Luke 10:2)
‘Do you not say, ‘There are yet four months, and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look on the fields, that they are ripe for harvest. (John 4:35).
And the great falling away is just around the corner.
Why would God send a great delusion?
2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The written Word is truth, the Word of God is truth, if anyone disregards the Word of God
He will be affected by the great delusion coming, and will be damned.I believe this is already happening Wakeup.
As I said, people can fall away on the inside (spiritually) but still continue on and display to others knowledge, etc. Remember, Jesus said that many will perform miracles in his name, but he never knew them.
So, you say the delusion and falling away is just around the corner. I think it already here.Camillia.
Falling away on the inside?
What is falling away on the outside?
Now we have a falling away on the inside and on the outside?
To me falling away is of the spirit. What else?
wakeup
Camellia.
This can not be, because the son of perdition must be revealed first.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
That will be a great falling away.
Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
Daniel 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
Many shall come to his side to save their lives.
wakeup.
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1.When was satan put in prison.
Wakeup, I have already answered this! I want to hear your point of view.
Satan was bound at the cross.
Look at the scriptures.
Who is the strongman?
Was he bound?
What does this mean to you, please explain:Matt 12:25-29
And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges. But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
Jesus is stronger than Satan. Satan was bound by Jesus. Jesus says “Behold, I have given you power over the enemy”. (Luke 10:17-19). John 12:31: “Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”
The binding of Satan allowed Jesus to go down to the dead. The binding allowed the ‘Good news of the coming Kingdom of God to be spread throughout the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.’.
Matt 28:18. “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.”
Col 2:15. “When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.
Hebrews 2:14-15. “Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.”
Wow. Did you see that?? And you say Satan was NOT bound (still to come). I think you are wrong, Wakeup!
Camillia.
Falling away on the inside?
What is falling away on the outside?
Now we have a falling away on the inside and on the outside?
To me falling away is of the spirit. What else?
Wakeup. Anyone can preach. God knows, I have written biblical things in the past while lost, and sinful. God judges our hearts, which can be far from him. Look: “The heart is deceitful above all else”. (Jer 17:9).
Time being cut short is to do with deception. If time were not cut short, all people including the elect would be deceived (hence, nobody would be saved). Know the times we are in.
Camellia.
When Jesus spoke those words when he was not resurrected as yet. He spoke of power to cast out devils. To bind devils.
Satan could still enter heaven until the child was caught up to God.Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. Who was to
Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
The woman; His little flock back then.Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, This war was soon after the child was caught up to God.
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Satan was not put in prison after that war, but was cast out into the earthRevelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
His angels were not put in prison eitherwakeup
Wakeup, do you really think you have the ability to interpret the exact timeline of those verses in Revelations, when the verses in Matthew, Col and Hebrews tell us what happened and when?
This can not be, because the son of perdition must be revealed first.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
First things first.
Is the son of perdition an individual being soon to come?
Hi Camellia.
Is there a reason why we can not know?
Prophesies are there to be understood by the true seeker.
And shall be revealed if; the seeker is genuine.If you are interested in knowing when Jesus is coming,
You can study rev.11 carefully.
You then will know when;but not the day and the hour.God is revealing His secrets to us using symbols;
just as Jesus spoke in parables, so the wicked can not understand.Regarding the son of perdition; yes he is a person. He is the son of satan,
who will call himself god, and will sit in the temple of God.
He is the one cast into the fire;rev.19:20,and rev 13:11.Revelation = revealing, but not to everyone; therefore in symbols
Never think to yourself that you can not understand prophesies, because every genuine person can.wakeup.
Thanks. Yes I agree people can understand prophecy but I think much of the time we learn things as they happen. The most important thing is praying to God for guidance. We can’t trust ourselves even. “He who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved”.
Son of perdition….. hmm. I have an open mind about that. The temple is the body of christians!
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