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Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2013,16:24) Quote (Resting @ April 28 2013,15:32) Quote (Wakeup @ April 27 2013,22:48) Quote (Resting @ April 27 2013,20:32) Quote (Wakeup @ April 27 2013,15:11) Quote (Resting @ April 27 2013,14:50) Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.Study the great city.
Resting.Can you show me what city is, where our Lord was crucified?
Babylon the great is a great city,a spiritual city.The world
system of things.
Jerusalem is a great city,where our Lord was crucified.
Our Lord was crucified in a physical city,Jerusalem.
This is not a spiritual city,for all can see their dead bodies lying in the street; not put in graves.
The dead suppose to be buried,in graves.wakeup.
Jesus was not crucified in Jerusalem.Heb 13:10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
Heb 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Resting.Without the camp,but still in the city.
wakeup.
No.They extended the city to include Golgtha years later.
Christ was crucified outside of the city.
Res.
Resting.Lets see if anyone would agree with your claim.
You need to check out your map;golgotha is inside the wall.
You need to change rev.11:8.***AND THEIR DEAD SHALL LIE **IN THE STREET** OF THE GREAT CITY WHERE ALSO OUR LORD WAS CRICIFIED***.
CHANGE IT TO OUTSIDE THE CITY;IF THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY.
wakeup.
My point is that the great city of Rev. is many cities of the world, and the Lord has breen crucified in every one of them.
But you can not see it, unless you are part of it.
The last witness is world wide, and the only thing that the witnesses do which torments man before the resurrection is prophecy, and perhaps withold the rain.
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell : and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.Res.
Quote (Resting @ April 29 2013,08:11) Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2013,16:24) Quote (Resting @ April 28 2013,15:32) Quote (Wakeup @ April 27 2013,22:48) Quote (Resting @ April 27 2013,20:32) Quote (Wakeup @ April 27 2013,15:11) Quote (Resting @ April 27 2013,14:50) Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.Study the great city.
Resting.Can you show me what city is, where our Lord was crucified?
Babylon the great is a great city,a spiritual city.The world
system of things.
Jerusalem is a great city,where our Lord was crucified.
Our Lord was crucified in a physical city,Jerusalem.
This is not a spiritual city,for all can see their dead bodies lying in the street; not put in graves.
The dead suppose to be buried,in graves.wakeup.
Jesus was not crucified in Jerusalem.Heb 13:10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
Heb 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Resting.Without the camp,but still in the city.
wakeup.
No.They extended the city to include Golgtha years later.
Christ was crucified outside of the city.
Res.
Resting.Lets see if anyone would agree with your claim.
You need to check out your map;golgotha is inside the wall.
You need to change rev.11:8.***AND THEIR DEAD SHALL LIE **IN THE STREET** OF THE GREAT CITY WHERE ALSO OUR LORD WAS CRICIFIED***.
CHANGE IT TO OUTSIDE THE CITY;IF THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY.
wakeup.
My point is that the great city of Rev. is many cities of the world, and the Lord has breen crucified in every one of them.
But you can not see it, unless you are part of it.
The last witness is world wide, and the only thing that the witnesses do which torments man before the resurrection is prophecy, and perhaps withold the rain.
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell : and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.Res.
Resting.Quote:
The last witness is world wide, and the only thing that the witnesses do which torments man before the resurrection is prophecy, and perhaps withold the rain.*Uqnquote*:**THIS IS YOUR OPINION,AND TO REACH TO THIS CONCLUSION,YOU HAD TO TWIST WHAT IS IN SCRIPTURE.
Quote:
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.*Unquote*:**THIS IS SPEAKING TO JOHN; NOT TO US.
JOHN DID PROPHECY BEFORE MANY PEOPLE,THROUGH THE BOOK OF REVELATION; NOT FORGETTING THAT HE WAS INCARCERATED.THE BABYLON THING IS ANOTHER TOPIC ALL TOGETHER.
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,01:02) Quote (2besee @ April 11 2013,19:09) Abe, I have always thought that the two witnesses were Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
What do you think?
Hi 2Besee,I believe those are the two olive trees in Zech 4:11-14.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
(This question is off topic but I could only see you in this thread.)
18.
What does 18 years mean to you in scripture?Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,10:25) Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,01:02) Quote (2besee @ April 11 2013,19:09) Abe, I have always thought that the two witnesses were Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
What do you think?
Hi 2Besee,I believe those are the two olive trees in Zech 4:11-14.
God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
(This question is off topic but I could only see you in this thread.)
18.
What does 18 years mean to you in scripture?
Hi 2Besee, Do you mean “Verse 18” or “the number eighteen”?The tower in Siloam fell on eighteen people killing them (Luke 13:4)
A woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years (Luke 13:11)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
Yes. 18 years regarding time.
I am looking for a connection if there is one to the following verse:
Luke 13.
[10] Now he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.
[11] And there was a woman who had had a spirit of infirmity for eighteen years; she was bent over and could not fully straighten herself.
[12] And when Jesus saw her, he called her and said to her, “Woman, you are freed from your infirmity.”
[13] And he laid his hands upon her, and immediately she was made straight, and she praised God.
[14] But the ruler of the synagogue, indignant because Jesus had healed on the sabbath, said to the people, “There are six days on which work ought to be done; come on those days and be healed, and not on the sabbath day.”
[15] Then the Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Does not each of you on the sabbath untie his ox or his ass from the manger, and lead it away to water it?
[16] And ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?“Could the 18 years of a daughter of Abraham who was bound by Satan, and loosed on the sabbath day, have another meaning?
Hi Ed.
All that I can find is:
Judg 3.
[14] And the people of Israel served Eglon the king of Moab eighteen years.
[15] But when the people of Israel cried to the LORD, the LORD raised up for them a deliverer.Judg 10.
[7] And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of the Philistines and into the hand of the Ammonites,
[8] and they crushed and oppressed the children of Israel that year. For eighteen years they oppressed all the people of Israel that were beyond the Jordan in the land of the Amorites, which is in Gilead.
[9] And the Ammonites crossed the Jordan to fight also against Judah and against Benjamin and against the house of E'phraim; so that Israel was sorely distressed.
[10] And the people of Israel cried to the LORD, saying, “We have sinned against thee, because we have forsaken our God and have served the Ba'als.”Okay just wondering seeing you know numbers!
Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2013,08:53) Quote (Resting @ April 29 2013,08:11) Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2013,16:24) Quote (Resting @ April 28 2013,15:32) Quote (Wakeup @ April 27 2013,22:48) Quote (Resting @ April 27 2013,20:32) Quote (Wakeup @ April 27 2013,15:11) Quote (Resting @ April 27 2013,14:50) Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.Study the great city.
Resting.Can you show me what city is, where our Lord was crucified?
Babylon the great is a great city,a spiritual city.The world
system of things.
Jerusalem is a great city,where our Lord was crucified.
Our Lord was crucified in a physical city,Jerusalem.
This is not a spiritual city,for all can see their dead bodies lying in the street; not put in graves.
The dead suppose to be buried,in graves.wakeup.
Jesus was not crucified in Jerusalem.Heb 13:10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
Heb 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Resting.Without the camp,but still in the city.
wakeup.
No.They extended the city to include Golgtha years later.
Christ was crucified outside of the city.
Res.
Resting.Lets see if anyone would agree with your claim.
You need to check out your map;golgotha is inside the wall.
You need to change rev.11:8.***AND THEIR DEAD SHALL LIE **IN THE STREET** OF THE GREAT CITY WHERE ALSO OUR LORD WAS CRICIFIED***.
CHANGE IT TO OUTSIDE THE CITY;IF THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY.
wakeup.
My point is that the great city of Rev. is many cities of the world, and the Lord has breen crucified in every one of them.
But you can not see it, unless you are part of it.
The last witness is world wide, and the only thing that the witnesses do which torments man before the resurrection is prophecy, and perhaps withold the rain.
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell : and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.Res.
Resting.Quote:
The last witness is world wide, and the only thing that the witnesses do which torments man before the resurrection is prophecy, and perhaps withold the rain.*Uqnquote*:**THIS IS YOUR OPINION,AND TO REACH TO THIS CONCLUSION,YOU HAD TO TWIST WHAT IS IN SCRIPTURE.
Quote:
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.*Unquote*:**THIS IS SPEAKING TO JOHN; NOT TO US.
JOHN DID PROPHECY BEFORE MANY PEOPLE,THROUGH THE BOOK OF REVELATION; NOT FORGETTING THAT HE WAS INCARCERATED.THE BABYLON THING IS ANOTHER TOPIC ALL TOGETHER.
wakeup.
Wakeup,John never prophecied at any time before many peoples and nations and tongues in the past either.
You know nothing about the endtimes witness because you deny water baptism in Jesus name and you deny being filled with the Holy Spirit so necessary to witness, and you and your friends despise the pentecostal church.
You are exposed for what you are.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ April 29 2013,13:53) Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2013,08:53) Quote (Resting @ April 29 2013,08:11) Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2013,16:24) Quote (Resting @ April 28 2013,15:32) Quote (Wakeup @ April 27 2013,22:48) Quote (Resting @ April 27 2013,20:32) Quote (Wakeup @ April 27 2013,15:11) Quote (Resting @ April 27 2013,14:50) Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.Study the great city.
Resting.Can you show me what city is, where our Lord was crucified?
Babylon the great is a great city,a spiritual city.The world
system of things.
Jerusalem is a great city,where our Lord was crucified.
Our Lord was crucified in a physical city,Jerusalem.
This is not a spiritual city,for all can see their dead bodies lying in the street; not put in graves.
The dead suppose to be buried,in graves.wakeup.
Jesus was not crucified in Jerusalem.Heb 13:10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
Heb 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Resting.Without the camp,but still in the city.
wakeup.
No.They extended the city to include Golgtha years later.
Christ was crucified outside of the city.
Res.
Resting.Lets see if anyone would agree with your claim.
You need to check out your map;golgotha is inside the wall.
You need to change rev.11:8.***AND THEIR DEAD SHALL LIE **IN THE STREET** OF THE GREAT CITY WHERE ALSO OUR LORD WAS CRICIFIED***.
CHANGE IT TO OUTSIDE THE CITY;IF THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY.
wakeup.
My point is that the great city of Rev. is many cities of the world, and the Lord has breen crucified in every one of them.
But you can not see it, unless you are part of it.
The last witness is world wide, and the only thing that the witnesses do which torments man before the resurrection is prophecy, and perhaps withold the rain.
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell : and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.Res.
Resting.Quote:
The last witness is world wide, and the only thing that the witnesses do which torments man before the resurrection is prophecy, and perhaps withold the rain.*Uqnquote*:**THIS IS YOUR OPINION,AND TO REACH TO THIS CONCLUSION,YOU HAD TO TWIST WHAT IS IN SCRIPTURE.
Quote:
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.*Unquote*:**THIS IS SPEAKING TO JOHN; NOT TO US.
JOHN DID PROPHECY BEFORE MANY PEOPLE,THROUGH THE BOOK OF REVELATION; NOT FORGETTING THAT HE WAS INCARCERATED.THE BABYLON THING IS ANOTHER TOPIC ALL TOGETHER.
wakeup.
Wakeup,John never prophecied at any time before many peoples and nations and tongues in the past either.
You know nothing about the endtimes witness because you deny water baptism in Jesus name and you deny being filled with the Holy Spirit so necessary to witness, and you and your friends despise the pentecostal church.
You are exposed for what you are.
Res.
Hi Resting.If I may ask;are you pantecostal?
I have listened to many pantecostal preachers,and I found them all wanting.I also notice that they always like to explain
some simple thing in such a way that it can boggle the mind
of the flock,and after all that; they are wrong.Btw.I am not against water babtism.I like to make this clear. If by some circumstance, one is not babtised with water,
but babtised with the Holy spirit,it does not prevent him
from being accepted in the kingdom.Water does not stop him.Many unbabtized babies and children; will also be accepted in the kingdom. Jesus was babtized with water when he was 30yrs old,but babtised with the Hol
y spirit since conceived in the belly.wakeup.
Quote
Btw.I am not against water babtism.I like to make this clear. If by some circumstance, one is not babtised with water,
but babtised with the Holy spirit,it does not prevent him
from being accepted in the kingdom.Water does not stop him.Wakeup, so you have changed your tune, that is good to see.
Do you believe now that being born again is being reborn in water baptism and then in the Holy Spirit?Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,18:24) Quote
Btw.I am not against water babtism.I like to make this clear. If by some circumstance, one is not babtised with water,
but babtised with the Holy spirit,it does not prevent him
from being accepted in the kingdom.Water does not stop him.Wakeup, so you have changed your tune, that is good to see.
Do you believe now that being born again is being reborn in water baptism and then in the Holy Spirit?
No 2Besee;I have not changed my mind.
I never said that you need to be babtized.
But water alone does not prevent one from being refused the kingdom.
And born again is not babtism.
You can not be reborn in the water,it is not scriptural.
Your second birth can only come from *Zions belly*.
She is spirit, and therefore her child born will also be spirit.Jesus and Nicodemus conversation is about rebirth.
born twice. Not about babtism at all. Read it again john3:4–6.wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ April 30 2013,13:23) But, we are off topic! So I will let you get back to topic.
Thank you Besee.wakeup.
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