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Quote (Resting @ April 08 2013,18:45) Quote (Wakeup @ April 08 2013,07:32) Quote (Resting @ April 08 2013,07:13) Quote (Wakeup @ April 07 2013,21:00) Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,20:20) Wakeup, What evidence do you have that the second beast of Rev.ch 13 is one man?
Res.
REsting.Just read what the beast with the two horns is doing
He caused the mark and the miracles to deceive.Then read rev19:20, what the false prophet did.(rev13:13).
and see who are cast in the fire. ***Just two***: beast /false prophet.(19:20). There is no antichrist mentioned.Compare also 2thess 2. The son of perdition with his lying wonders and blaspheming, and sitting as god; he also will be consumed by the brightness of the Lords coming.
You can go further if you like: go to Dan7:7.8.9
How the little horn with eyes and mouth speaking great thing. And daniel **beheld untill** the thrones were cast down and the *ancient of days* did sit. (in his throne).Dan 7:11.How the little horn with great words was slain and cast in the fire.
wakeup.
Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,20:20) Wakeup, What evidence do you have that the second beast of Rev.ch 13 is one man?
Res.
REsting.Just read what the beast with the two horns is doing
He caused the mark and the miracles to deceive.That beast has two horns which are two kings, not one.
The first beast is many peoples. Why say the second beast is only one person when the second beast has the appearance of the first, except for the number of horns.
Quote Then read rev19:20, what the false prophet did.(rev13:13).
and see who are cast in the fire. ***Just two***: beast /false prophet.(19:20). There is no antichrist mentioned.The two are two beasts , the first and the second of Rev,ch 13. Neither are two persons.
Quote Compare also 2thess 2. The son of perdition with his lying wonders and blaspheming, and sitting as god; he also will be consumed by the brightness of the Lords coming. None of the wicked will understand, your theory is easy for the wicked to understand and it is wrong.
He who sits in the temple of God saying he is God moves throughout most churches today because he is a spirit with many servants. The temple of God is not stone, it is people.
Quote You can go further if you like: go to Dan7:7.8.9
How the little horn with eyes and mouth speaking great thing. And daniel **beheld untill** the thrones were cast down and the *ancient of days* did sit. (in his throne).Dan 7:11.How the little horn with great words was slain and cast in the fire.
The second beast has two horns and not one.
The first beast is given a little horn which becomes great and satan gives the first beast a throne, and the second beast with two horns causes men to worship the first beast.
Jesus referred to the nation of Jews as a man in a parable , and the true prophet is the true church, so the false prophet is the false church of Jew and RCC (two horns) who control present day America and its buddies, including Europe where the ten kings originated.
The worship of money is god in the western churches and governments of Babylon.
(the two witnesses are not two people either.)
Res.
Resting.Where is your evidence?
wakeup.
I just showed you that the evidence you gave is wrong.2nd beast is two horns, not one.
Res.
REsting.Did you compare rev.13:13.14.( he is the one with the miracles and *HE* is the one *enforcing the mark*.
rev.19:20.The beast was taken, AND *WITH HIM*,THE
**FALSE PROPHET THAT WROUGHT MIRACLES** BEFORE THE BEAST. *HE* THE 2 HORNED BEAST WITH THE MIRACLES=THE FALSE PROPHET WITH THE MIRACLES.**THE FALSE PROPHET THAT WROUGHT MIRACLES**
**A PROPHET IS A MAN**.2THESS2. THE *SON* OF PERDITION VERSE 9. **EVEN HIM**
WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN
WITH ALL POWER,AND SIGNS AND LYING **WONDERS**EVEN *HIM* IS A MAN; THE SON OF SATAN IS A MAN.
THE SON OF GOD IS A MAN, A PROPHET IS A MAN.***************************
Bible symbols: eyes represents spiritual.(rev.5:6).
horns represents kings.(leader of a kingdom).(rev5:6).
Jesus represented as a Lamb with 7eyes and 7horns; he is king of kings,a leader of the spiritual and the secular.The **little horn with eyes** and a mouth speaking great things.
He spoke as a dragon,with his mouth.TWO HORNS REPRESENTS: A LEADER OF THE SPIRITUAL(EYES); AND ALSO A LEADER OF THE SECULAR.(HORNS).
HE IS TWO KINGS IN ONE. HE CONTROLS ALL,FOR HE IS A GOD TO THE WORLD.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 08 2013,21:40) Quote (Resting @ April 08 2013,18:45) Quote (Wakeup @ April 08 2013,07:32) Quote (Resting @ April 08 2013,07:13) Quote (Wakeup @ April 07 2013,21:00) Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,20:20) Wakeup, What evidence do you have that the second beast of Rev.ch 13 is one man?
Res.
REsting.Just read what the beast with the two horns is doing
He caused the mark and the miracles to deceive.Then read rev19:20, what the false prophet did.(rev13:13).
and see who are cast in the fire. ***Just two***: beast /false prophet.(19:20). There is no antichrist mentioned.Compare also 2thess 2. The son of perdition with his lying wonders and blaspheming, and sitting as god; he also will be consumed by the brightness of the Lords coming.
You can go further if you like: go to Dan7:7.8.9
How the little horn with eyes and mouth speaking great thing. And daniel **beheld untill** the thrones were cast down and the *ancient of days* did sit. (in his throne).Dan 7:11.How the little horn with great words was slain and cast in the fire.
wakeup.
Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,20:20) Wakeup, What evidence do you have that the second beast of Rev.ch 13 is one man?
Res.
REsting.Just read what the beast with the two horns is doing
He caused the mark and the miracles to deceive.That beast has two horns which are two kings, not one.
The first beast is many peoples. Why say the second beast is only one person when the second beast has the appearance of the first, except for the number of horns.
Quote Then read rev19:20, what the false prophet did.(rev13:13).
and see who are cast in the fire. ***Just two***: beast /false prophet.(19:20). There is no antichrist mentioned.The two are two beasts , the first and the second of Rev,ch 13. Neither are two persons.
Quote Compare also 2thess 2. The son of perdition with his lying wonders and blaspheming, and sitting as god; he also will be consumed by the brightness of the Lords coming. None of the wicked will understand, your theory is easy for the wicked to understand and it is wrong.
He who sits in the temple of God saying he is God moves throughout most churches today because he is a spirit with many servants. The temple of God is not stone, it is people.
Quote You can go further if you like: go to Dan7:7.8.9
How the little horn with eyes and mouth speaking great thing. And daniel **beheld untill** the thrones were cast down and the *ancient of days* did sit. (in his throne).Dan 7:11.How the little horn with great words was slain and cast in the fire.
The second beast has two horns and not one.
The first beast is given a little horn which becomes great and satan gives the first beast a throne, and the second beast with two horns causes men to worship the first beast.
Jesus referred to the nation of Jews as a man in a parable , and the true prophet is the true church, so the false prophet is the false church of Jew and RCC (two horns) who control present day America and its buddies, including Europe where the ten kings originated.
The worship of money is god in the western churches and governments of Babylon.
(the two witnesses are not two people either.)
Res.
Resting.Where is your evidence?
wakeup.
I just showed you that the evidence you gave is wrong.2nd beast is two horns, not one.
Res.
REsting.Did you compare rev.13:13.14.( he is the one with the miracles and *HE* is the one *enforcing the mark*.
rev.19:20.The beast was taken, AND *WITH HIM*,THE
**FALSE PROPHET THAT WROUGHT MIRACLES** BEFORE THE BEAST. *HE* THE 2 HORNED BEAST WITH THE MIRACLES=THE FALSE PROPHET WITH THE MIRACLES.**THE FALSE PROPHET THAT WROUGHT MIRACLES**
**A PROPHET IS A MAN**.2THESS2. THE *SON* OF PERDITION VERSE 9. **EVEN HIM**
WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN
WITH ALL POWER,AND SIGNS AND LYING **WONDERS**EVEN *HIM* IS A MAN; THE SON OF SATAN IS A MAN.
THE SON OF GOD IS A MAN, A PROPHET IS A MAN.***************************
Bible symbols: eyes represents spiritual.(rev.5:6).
horns represents kings.(leader of a kingdom).(rev5:6).
Jesus represented as a Lamb with 7eyes and 7horns; he is king of kings,a leader of the spiritual and the secular.The **little horn with eyes** and a mouth speaking great things.
He spoke as a dragon,with his mouth.TWO HORNS REPRESENTS: A LEADER OF THE SPIRITUAL(EYES); AND ALSO A LEADER OF THE SECULAR.(HORNS).
HE IS TWO KINGS IN ONE. HE CONTROLS ALL,FOR HE IS A GOD TO THE WORLD.
wakeup.
You will find if you check the language experts that they say the second beast is like unto the first beast in appearance.The first beast has a body of people and it is not one man either.
He who sits in the temple of God is not one man, (it is a spirit) and the temple of God is not a stone temple in Jerusalem.
The two horns are two kings, not two anything else, to be consistent with scripture.
This idea of a man sitting in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem is bogus doctrine.
Res.
This is the battle that we are facing TODAY. Not something future IMO. Those who have this spirit do not know it, but it has to do with sin. “Kundalini Warning” by Andrew Strom is one example.
Quote (Resting @ April 08 2013,22:44) Quote (Wakeup @ April 08 2013,21:40) Quote (Resting @ April 08 2013,18:45) Quote (Wakeup @ April 08 2013,07:32) Quote (Resting @ April 08 2013,07:13) Quote (Wakeup @ April 07 2013,21:00) Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,20:20) Wakeup, What evidence do you have that the second beast of Rev.ch 13 is one man?
Res.
REsting.Just read what the beast with the two horns is doing
He caused the mark and the miracles to deceive.Then read rev19:20, what the false prophet did.(rev13:13).
and see who are cast in the fire. ***Just two***: beast /false prophet.(19:20). There is no antichrist mentioned.Compare also 2thess 2. The son of perdition with his lying wonders and blaspheming, and sitting as god; he also will be consumed by the brightness of the Lords coming.
You can go further if you like: go to Dan7:7.8.9
How the little horn with eyes and mouth speaking great thing. And daniel **beheld untill** the thrones were cast down and the *ancient of days* did sit. (in his throne).Dan 7:11.How the little horn with great words was slain and cast in the fire.
wakeup.
Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,20:20) Wakeup, What evidence do you have that the second beast of Rev.ch 13 is one man?
Res.
REsting.Just read what the beast with the two horns is doing
He caused the mark and the miracles to deceive.That beast has two horns which are two kings, not one.
The first beast is many peoples. Why say the second beast is only one person when the second beast has the appearance of the first, except for the number of horns.
Quote Then read rev19:20, what the false prophet did.(rev13:13).
and see who are cast in the fire. ***Just two***: beast /false prophet.(19:20). There is no antichrist mentioned.The two are two beasts , the first and the second of Rev,ch 13. Neither are two persons.
Quote Compare also 2thess 2. The son of perdition with his lying wonders and blaspheming, and sitting as god; he also will be consumed by the brightness of the Lords coming. None of the wicked will understand, your theory is easy for the wicked to understand and it is wrong.
He who sits in the temple of God saying he is God moves throughout most churches today because he is a spirit with many servants. The temple of God is not stone, it is people.
Quote You can go further if you like: go to Dan7:7.8.9
How the little horn with eyes and mouth speaking great thing. And daniel **beheld untill** the thrones were cast down and the *ancient of days* did sit. (in his throne).Dan 7:11.How the little horn with great words was slain and cast in the fire.
The second beast has two horns and not one.
The first beast is given a little horn which becomes great and satan gives the first beast a throne, and the second beast with two horns causes men to worship the first beast.
Jesus referred to the nation of Jews as a man in a parable , and the true prophet is the true church, so the false prophet is the false church of Jew and RCC (two horns) who control present day America and its buddies, including Europe where the ten kings originated.
The worship of money is god in the western churches and governments of Babylon.
(the two witnesses are not two people either.)
Res.
Resting.Where is your evidence?
wakeup.
I just showed you that the evidence you gave is wrong.2nd beast is two horns, not one.
Res.
REsting.Did you compare rev.13:13.14.( he is the one with the miracles and *HE* is the one *enforcing the mark*.
rev.19:20.The beast was taken, AND *WITH HIM*,THE
**FALSE PROPHET THAT WROUGHT MIRACLES** BEFORE THE BEAST. *HE* THE 2 HORNED BEAST WITH THE MIRACLES=THE FALSE PROPHET WITH THE MIRACLES.**THE FALSE PROPHET THAT WROUGHT MIRACLES**
**A PROPHET IS A MAN**.2THESS2. THE *SON* OF PERDITION VERSE 9. **EVEN HIM**
WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN
WITH ALL POWER,AND SIGNS AND LYING **WONDERS**EVEN *HIM* IS A MAN; THE SON OF SATAN IS A MAN.
THE SON OF GOD IS A MAN, A PROPHET IS A MAN.***************************
Bible symbols: eyes represents spiritual.(rev.5:6).
horns represents kings.(leader of a kingdom).(rev5:6).
Jesus represented as a Lamb with 7eyes and 7horns; he is king of kings,a leader of the spiritual and the secular.The **little horn with eyes** and a mouth speaking great things.
He spoke as a dragon,with his mouth.TWO HORNS REPRESENTS: A LEADER OF THE SPIRITUAL(EYES); AND ALSO A LEADER OF THE SECULAR.(HORNS).
HE IS TWO KINGS IN ONE. HE CONTROLS ALL,FOR HE IS A GOD TO THE WORLD.
wakeup.
You will find if you check the language experts that they say the second beast is like unto the first beast in appearance.The first beast has a body of people and it is not one man either.
He who sits in the temple of God is not one man, (it is a spirit) and the temple of God is not a stone temple in Jerusalem.
The two horns are two kings, not two anything else, to be consistent with scripture.
This idea of a man sitting in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem is bogus doctrine.
Res.
Resting.Would the false prophet sit in a spiritual temple?
The temple will be build for him,in Jerusalem. This is israels dream,to have the temple build,dont you know that?
A god needs his temp
le. The pope needs the vatican.Nothing to do with christians.
I have explained to you, re' the falseprophet,and the 2horned beast; it seems that you *refuse to see*.
The dragon is a beast;and he is not a group of people,
but one creature. The son of perdition is also a beast,for he
will act as a dragon.He can not be called a decent man;he is an animal.By the way; I dont go for strange flesh.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
“The son of perdition” is Lucifer under the title of 'i am'
sitting in the temple of mans understanding. (Link)And “the false prophet” is Muhammad
of Islam. The two horns are Sunni and Shia.
The miracles (Rev.13:13) are known as the quran. (Link)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi all.
This was supposed to be a civil conversation. If you wonder why sometimes we get annoyed and stand up, is because we are met with such hostility continually. Our buttons are continually pushed, not by the world..but by them who call themselves christians. You can see them by their fruits. We have to get through this everyday, and sometimes it's hard, so an explosion every now and then on our behalf is the outcome of such a build up, then we regret it. If we do not agree with how one is portraying the scriptures, then we have to give evidence why, which is what we do all the time. Answering every comment, not picking and choosing which ones to answer, but addressing everything said to us with scripture. (I try to anyway)
SO TIME TO PULL OUR SOCKS UP. THE LORD IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY, AND IF HE FINDS THAT WE HAVE NOT LOVE FOR OUR NEIGHBOUR OR BRETHREN, THEN WE WILL MISS OUT. IF WE MOCK ONE ANOTHER, OR ARE NOT PATIENT TO TEACH, THEN WE SHOULD REMAIN SILENT, FOR THE LORD IS VERY SELECTIVE IN WHO HE WILL RAISE UP. THE SAINTS HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE WORTHY TO RULE WITH CHRIST IN RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT, AND THAT TEST IS NOW DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS. YES IT WILL DETERMINE IF WE TAKE PART IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION OR NOT, SO KEEP ON GUARD FOR WE OUGHT NOT TO BRING CHRIST SHAME BUT BRING HIM HONOR AND GLORY AND WHEN WE SUFFER PERSECUTION OR AFFLICTION WE MUST TAKE IT FOR HIS SAKE, AND HE SEES THIS.
DO NOT TEMPT YOUR BROTHER TO GET ANGRY. A HAUGHTY ARROGANT COMMENT WILL DO THIS. DO NOT PROVOKE HIM. IF YOUR BROTHER'S WEAKNESS IS HIS TEMPER, THEN DO NOT PUT A STUMBLING BLOCK IN YOUR BROTHER'S WAY, BUT A GENTLE SPIRIT AND EXPRESSION OF LOVE AND RESPECT WILL MAKE YOUR BROTHER GROW. IF WE DO NOT, THEN THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NOT ABIDE IN US. THE HOLY SPIRIT CANNOT DWELL IN HATE OR JEALOUSY. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. IT GOES AGAINST THE LAWS OF GOD. DO NOT BE DECIEVED. IF THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NOT DWELL IN YOU THEN YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IN YOU BUT A DIFFERENT SPIRIT NOT FROM GOD, AND WHEN YOU HAVE THIS, YOU WILL GET DECEIVED AND WILL BE FULL OF ERRORS BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN REBELLIOUS AGAINST THE LORD AND NOT HEEDED THE COMMANDMENT OF LOVE WHICH IS THE NUMBER ONE REQUIREMENT TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
So for YOUR SAKES I will give you some scriptures to look into, and you can check it out and weigh it up for yourselves, like we are supposed to.
Quote You inserted two people where it says two prophets.
Prophets are men, and have always been. Flesh and blood. God is going to send TWO men, who are flesh and blood, and are his two prophets that he has annointed with his holy spirit, and with POWER, to perform miracles before the whole earth. They are his two end time witnesses,
How do we know they are men?
because they WILL BE KILLED, and THEIR DEAD BODIES WILL LIE IN THE STREET FOR ALL TO SEE….That's how we know.Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies, shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was killed. (THEY WILL MURDERED IN JERUSALEM)This is the LAST WITNESS FOR THE JEWS AND AGAINST BABYLON THE GREAT. These prophets are displaying Gods power by sending plagues and turning water into blood. Instead they are met with hostility
Rev 11:5 And if any man hurt them , fire proceedeth out of their mouths, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must be in this manner be killed.
So they are protected by God during their 1260 days testimony. The beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit (the false prophet) is using his armies, trying to kill them.
Why? with all these powers on display, wouldn't they be scared and submit to God? Wouldn't they be in awe?
NO. The false prophet will be performing his own miracles also, so there is going to be a lot of spiritual activity happening at that time for all the world to witness.And in my opinion, the people will be told a lie, that the two witnesses are;
1. The False prophet
and
2. The antichristThey think there's two of them, both performing the work of the devil. That's what they will be told, a lie. Or they might even tell them they are the 1. the antichrist (the world use this word,) and 2. the beast.
The scriptures are twisted right to the end.
…because God sent them strong delusion that they should believe the lie ….because they did not love the truth.and while this is all going on in the 6th trumpet/seal we have this scripture to consider;
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone and of wood: which neither can see nor hear, nor walk
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.This is all happening at the 6th trumpet/vial This is when evil has reached it's absolute peak. Why should the world repent? Because these two witnesses are telling them too, but instead are met with hostility, then finally death. This is for God to display more power now,
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of Life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Quote You do not know who the two witnesses are, but I do.
None of us know who the 2 witnesses/prophets are, but I know for sure that one of them is Elijah.Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah (Elias) the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
….before the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
How can one argue with this?Elijah made fire come down from heaven.
2 Kings 1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.Elijah divided the waters
2 Kings 2:8 And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground.Quote When you are prepared to argue a case for something you know nothing about then you will not be able to see the truth when you hear it.
I know a lot about this because I know the scriptures and have shown them to you with explanations that are related and make sense. The scriptures are the final authority, and we use them to correct and edify.Quote (journey42 @ April 09 2013,01:48) Hi all. DO NOT TEMPT YOUR BROTHER TO GET ANGRY.
Hi Journey42,Anger is the problem of self. Do you also blame others when you are sad,
no of course not, then why blame others for your problem of anger?Anger is the result of unfulfilled expectations.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 09 2013,02:00) Quote (journey42 @ April 09 2013,01:48) Hi all. DO NOT TEMPT YOUR BROTHER TO GET ANGRY.
Hi Journey42,Anger is the problem of self. Do you also blame others when you are sad,
no of course not, then why blame others for your problem of anger?Anger is the result of unfulfilled expectations.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I wasn't really talking about myself Ed.Quote (journey42 @ April 09 2013,02:54) Quote (Ed J @ April 09 2013,02:00) Quote (journey42 @ April 09 2013,01:48) Hi all. DO NOT TEMPT YOUR BROTHER TO GET ANGRY.
Hi Journey42,Anger is the problem of self. Do you also blame others when you are sad,
no of course not, then why blame others for your problem of anger?Anger is the result of unfulfilled expectations.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I wasn't really talking about myself Ed.
Well maybe a little, but mainly had somebody else in mind.Can you understand what I am saying?
Is the message not straight forward?
If one, even myself makes an arrogant statement to someone, and tells them they know nothing, or say to them that they don't have a clue, when they explained the best they could to me, then I can expect anger from the other person because I have belittled them.
I have provoked it in the first place.
This is wicked of me to do this.
They will only blow up and I have caused it.This is what the devil does all the time. Provokes, prods, & tempts someone to fall so he can turn around and accuse them to God. “Look at your servant now”
And that's why we should be one step ahead. Exercise self control and see those fiery darts coming, but if we are in Christ we should not be the ones throwing the darts.
Ed wrote:[/quote]
Ed,Everyone has their weaknesses. What could be your strength, may be someone else's weakness and visa versa.
Isaiah confessed that he was a man of unclean lips. But Isaiah was a holy man and God often spoke through him, so my guess is that when Isaiah was not filled with the spirit, prophesying, he would get frustrated with Israel and swear in anger (maybe to himself)
But Isaiah was loved very much by God. So I think he would of swore in frustration, not because he was wicked, but angry at the hypocrites and the rebellious, but his iniquity was taken away.
God sees through the heart, and if we were perfect now,
then it would be no big deal when we are changed at the resurrection into our new perfect spiritual bodies.
So everyone has a weak point so they can be ashamed and humbled, and not get too puffed up thinking their perfect.Isaiah 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
Quote (journey42 @ April 09 2013,02:54) Quote (Ed J @ April 09 2013,02:00) Quote (journey42 @ April 09 2013,01:48) Hi all. DO NOT TEMPT YOUR BROTHER TO GET ANGRY.
Hi Journey42,Anger is the problem of self. Do you also blame others when you are sad,
no of course not, then why blame others for your problem of anger?Anger is the result of unfulfilled expectations.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I wasn't really talking about myself Ed.
OK enough said.Quote (journey42 @ April 09 2013,01:48) Hi all. This was supposed to be a civil conversation. If you wonder why sometimes we get annoyed and stand up, is because we are met with such hostility continually. Our buttons are continually pushed, not by the world..but by them who call themselves christians. You can see them by their fruits. We have to get through this everyday, and sometimes it's hard, so an explosion every now and then on our behalf is the outcome of such a build up, then we regret it. If we do not agree with how one is portraying the scriptures, then we have to give evidence why, which is what we do all the time. Answering every comment, not picking and choosing which ones to answer, but addressing everything said to us with scripture. (I try to anyway)
SO TIME TO PULL OUR SOCKS UP. THE LORD IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY, AND IF HE FINDS THAT WE HAVE NOT LOVE FOR OUR NEIGHBOUR OR BRETHREN, THEN WE WILL MISS OUT. IF WE MOCK ONE ANOTHER, OR ARE NOT PATIENT TO TEACH, THEN WE SHOULD REMAIN SILENT, FOR THE LORD IS VERY SELECTIVE IN WHO HE WILL RAISE UP. THE SAINTS HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE WORTHY TO RULE WITH CHRIST IN RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT, AND THAT TEST IS NOW DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS. YES IT WILL DETERMINE IF WE TAKE PART IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION OR NOT, SO KEEP ON GUARD FOR WE OUGHT NOT TO BRING CHRIST SHAME BUT BRING HIM HONOR AND GLORY AND WHEN WE SUFFER PERSECUTION OR AFFLICTION WE MUST TAKE IT FOR HIS SAKE, AND HE SEES THIS.
DO NOT TEMPT YOUR BROTHER TO GET ANGRY. A HAUGHTY ARROGANT COMMENT WILL DO THIS. DO NOT PROVOKE HIM. IF YOUR BROTHER'S WEAKNESS IS HIS TEMPER, THEN DO NOT PUT A STUMBLING BLOCK IN YOUR BROTHER'S WAY, BUT A GENTLE SPIRIT AND EXPRESSION OF LOVE AND RESPECT WILL MAKE YOUR BROTHER GROW. IF WE DO NOT, THEN THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NOT ABIDE IN US. THE HOLY SPIRIT CANNOT DWELL IN HATE OR JEALOUSY. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. IT GOES AGAINST THE LAWS OF GOD. DO NOT BE DECIEVED. IF THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NOT DWELL IN YOU THEN YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IN YOU BUT A DIFFERENT SPIRIT NOT FROM GOD, AND WHEN YOU HAVE THIS, YOU WILL GET DECEIVED AND WILL BE FULL OF ERRORS BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN REBELLIOUS AGAINST THE LORD AND NOT HEEDED THE COMMANDMENT OF LOVE WHICH IS THE NUMBER ONE REQUIREMENT TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
So for YOUR SAKES I will give you some scriptures to look into, and you can check it out and weigh it up for yourselves, like we are supposed to.
Quote You inserted two people where it says two prophets.
Prophets are men, and have always been. Flesh and blood. God is going to send TWO men, who are flesh and blood, and are his two prophets that he has annointed with his holy spirit, and with POWER, to perform miracles before the whole earth. They are his two end time witnesses,
How do we know they are men?
because they WILL BE KILLED, and THEIR DEAD BODIES WILL LIE IN THE STREET FOR ALL TO SEE….That's how we know.Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies, shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was killed. (THEY WILL MURDERED IN JERUSALEM)This is the LAST WITNESS FOR THE JEWS AND AGAINST BABYLON THE GREAT. These prophets are displaying Gods power by sending plagues and turning water into blood. Instead they are met with hostility
Rev 11:5 And if any man hurt them , fire proceedeth out of their mouths, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must be in this manner be killed.
So they are protected by God during their 1260 days testimony. The beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit (the false prophet) is using his armies, trying to kill them.
Why? with all these powers on display, wouldn't they be scared and submit to God? Wouldn't they be in awe?
NO. The false prophet will be performing his own miracles also, so there is going to be a lot of spiritual activity happening at that time for all the world to witness.And in my opinion, the people will be told a lie, that the two witnesses are;
1. The False prophet
and
2. The antichristThey think there's two of them, both performing the work of the devil. That's what they will be told, a lie. Or they might even tell them they are the 1. the antichrist (the world use this word,) and 2. the beast.
The scriptures are twisted right to the end.
…because God sent them strong delusion that they should believe the lie ….because they did not love the truth.and while this is all going on in the 6th trumpet/seal we have this scripture to consider;
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone and of wood: which neither can see nor hear, nor walk
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.This is all happening at the 6th trumpet/vial This is when evil has reached it's absolute peak. Why should the world repent? Because these two witnesses are telling them too, but instead are met with hostility, then finally death. This is for God to display more power now,
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of Life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Quote You do not know who the two witnesses are, but I do.
None of us know who the 2 witnesses/prophets are, but I know for sure that one of them is Elijah.Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah (Elias) the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
….before the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
How can one argue with this?Elijah made fire come down from heaven.
2 Kings 1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.Elijah divided the waters
2 Kings 2:8 And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it t
ogether, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground.Quote When you are prepared to argue a case for something you know nothing about then you will not be able to see the truth when you hear it.
I know a lot about this because I know the scriptures and have shown them to you with explanations that are related and make sense. The scriptures are the final authority, and we use them to correct and edify.
Good grief.All you have done is judge anothers heart to be like your own.
Res.
Wakeup,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Would the false prophet sit in a spiritual temple?
The temple will be build for him,in Jerusalem. This is israels dream,to have the temple build,dont you know that?
A god needs his temple. The pope needs the vatican.Nothing to do with christians.
It is due to the falling away of Christianity in the churches sense, and the exposure of the spirit which dwells among them that he who sits there begins with the lying signs and wonders trick.
It has everything to do with Christians so that while they wait for a man to arrive on the scene, satan is working among the Christians completely at ease.
Quote I have explained to you, re' the falseprophet,and the 2horned beast; it seems that you *refuse to see*. No . I am unconvinced, You have not made a good case for your arguement and your statement shows your spirit not mine.
Quote The dragon is a beast;and he is not a group of people,
but one creature. The son of perdition is also a beast,for he
will act as a dragon.He can not be called a decent man;he is an animal.Not so. The bodies of both beasts are a number of people.
The dragon has a tail who are the false prophets (Rev.12) so you have been tricked into thinking it is one man when even the Rev.12 calls the dragon, satan.
Quote By the way; I dont go for strange flesh. wakeup.
What is that supposed to mean?
Res.
Quote (journey42 @ April 09 2013,01:48) Quote Hi all. This was supposed to be a civil conversation. If you wonder why sometimes we get annoyed and stand up, is because we are met with such hostility continually. Our buttons are continually pushed, not by the world..but by them who call themselves christians. You can see them by their fruits. We have to get through this everyday, and sometimes it's hard, so an explosion every now and then on our behalf is the outcome of such a build up, then we regret it. If we do not agree with how one is portraying the scriptures, then we have to give evidence why, which is what we do all the time. Answering every comment, not picking and choosing which ones to answer, but addressing everything said to us with scripture. (I try to anyway)
However you do not do that do you.
You say you are pushed by those who call themselves Christians.
You somehow think you and your mates are the full depository of all truth, and you slam people who disagree with you.
Quote SO TIME TO PULL OUR SOCKS UP. THE LORD IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY, AND IF HE FINDS THAT WE HAVE NOT LOVE FOR OUR NEIGHBOUR OR BRETHREN, THEN WE WILL MISS OUT. IF WE MOCK ONE ANOTHER, OR ARE NOT PATIENT TO TEACH, THEN WE SHOULD REMAIN SILENT, FOR THE LORD IS VERY SELECTIVE IN WHO HE WILL RAISE UP. THE SAINTS HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE WORTHY TO RULE WITH CHRIST IN RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT, AND THAT TEST IS NOW DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS. YES IT WILL DETERMINE IF WE TAKE PART IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION OR NOT, SO KEEP ON GUARD FOR WE OUGHT NOT TO BRING CHRIST SHAME BUT BRING HIM HONOR AND GLORY AND WHEN WE SUFFER PERSECUTION OR AFFLICTION WE MUST TAKE IT FOR HIS SAKE, AND HE SEES THIS. DO NOT TEMPT YOUR BROTHER TO GET ANGRY. A HAUGHTY ARROGANT COMMENT WILL DO THIS. DO NOT PROVOKE HIM. IF YOUR BROTHER'S WEAKNESS IS HIS TEMPER, THEN DO NOT PUT A STUMBLING BLOCK IN YOUR BROTHER'S WAY, BUT A GENTLE SPIRIT AND EXPRESSION OF LOVE AND RESPECT WILL MAKE YOUR BROTHER GROW. IF WE DO NOT, THEN THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NOT ABIDE IN US. THE HOLY SPIRIT CANNOT DWELL IN HATE OR JEALOUSY. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. IT GOES AGAINST THE LAWS OF GOD. DO NOT BE DECIEVED. IF THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NOT DWELL IN YOU THEN YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IN YOU BUT A DIFFERENT SPIRIT NOT FROM GOD, AND WHEN YOU HAVE THIS, YOU WILL GET DECEIVED AND WILL BE FULL OF ERRORS BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN REBELLIOUS AGAINST THE LORD AND NOT HEEDED THE COMMANDMENT OF LOVE WHICH IS THE NUMBER ONE REQUIREMENT TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
So for YOUR SAKES I will give you some scriptures to look into, and you can check it out and weigh it up for yourselves, like we are supposed to.
If you know the truth then you should keep it.
You have a little sect here.
You have no idea whatever about the two witnesses because you are not yet a part of His witness.
Res.
Resting,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Good grief. All you have done is judge anothers heart to be like your own.
Thank you for your comment.
Much appreciated.Resting,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote However you do not do that do you. You say you are pushed by those who call themselves Christians.
You somehow think you and your mates are the full depository of all truth, and you slam people who disagree with you.
Once again,
thank you for your thoughts.Hi Rest,
Quote
You do not know who the two witnesses are, but I do.Would you please tell us who the TWO witnesses are?
Peace brother..
Resting,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote If you know the truth then you should keep it. You have a little sect here.
Thank you
Quote You have no idea whatever about the two witnesses because you are not yet a part of His witness. Res.
And again, thank you.
Quote (abe @ April 09 2013,12:14) Hi Rest, Quote
You do not know who the two witnesses are, but I do.Would you please tell us who the TWO witnesses are?
Peace brother..
Abe,Jesus was anointed by the oil of both olive trees.
The early church the same.
The Word is one anointing–
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
The other anointing is Gods power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Here they are together–
Act 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.There is a relationship here with Gabriel concerning the word and Michael with power.
When we see Michael mentioned then it speaks of Gods power in both Daniel and Revelation.
Just search the two for what they have done and will do in scripture and you will see.
The two witnesses are not two men.
Neither all these two anointing do, are done before the return of Christ.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.Res.
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