The 2nd coming according to the world.

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  • #780519
    Wakeup
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    THE SECOND COMING ACCORDING TO THE WORLD, AND THE KINGDOM.

    Is full of gaps; and needs filling; Or just let it be.

    They teach that Christ is ruling as king now for 2000years.(but scripture says only a 1000years). Here2000Y=1000Y.?

    And satan is in prison for 1000years since the resurrection of Christ,and will be released soon.(Why the difference)?Here1000Y=1000Y.? Should he not be in prison since the resurrection of Christ,which = 2000years?

    This means that satan is not responsible of all the bad things in this world.
    (thank you world ; satan will say: here is my reward).

    At the 2nd coming the earth will be melted.?

    1. What is the purpose of gathering the armies to make war with the Lamb?

    2. What is the purpose of Christ coming with His armies of heaven?

    3. What is the purpose of burying the dead?

    All Christians will be taken up, and the rest left in their graves and the living burned with the earth.?

    4. What is the purpose of the second resurrection?

    5. What is the purpose of putting the sheep on the right; and the goats on the left? For everything is burned?

    6. WHERE CAN THEY FIT THIS IN THEIR PICTURE? THIS BIG GAP. REMEMBER;THE EARTH IS MELTED.

    THIS IS SPEAKING OF PARADISE: Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

    Isaiah 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

    Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice’ den.

    Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

    Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

    AND THIS GAP?

    Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

    Isaiah 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

    Isaiah 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

    Isaiah 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

    Isaiah 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

    Isaiah 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

    Isaiah 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

    Isaiah 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

    Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
    WHAT HOLY MOUNTAIN? FOR ALL IS BURNED,AND THE EARTH IS NEW? WHY DO THEY LIVE UP TO 100YEARS,AND STILL DIE?
    AND WHY ARE THERE STILL SINNERS? VERSE 20?

    I KNOW WHAT THEY WILL SAY. DONT TAKE ALL THAT LITTERALLY. ITS ALL SYMBOLIC.
    AND THE FLOCK BELIEVE THAT,BECAUSE THEY DONT BOTHER TO SEEK.
    THEY ARE IN SLUMBER,TOO BUSSY LISTENING TO SMOOTH TALK; BECAUSE OF THEIR EARS HAVE BEEN TICKLED.

    THE PROPHESIES ARE THERE FOR US TO SEEK; BUT THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED,THEY WILL NOT HEAR.
    THE MILK IS ENOUGH TO GROW SPIRITUALLY,WE DONT NEED STRONG MEAT,FOR WE ARE SAVED AND WE ARE BORN AGAIN.
    WHY SHOULD WE GO THROUGH ALL THAT; THEY SAY; IT’S ALL FULL OF SYMBOLS THAT WE CAN NOT UNDERSTAND ANYWAY.

    THEY ARE POOLS OF WATER,NOT GOING ANYWHERE.IT WILL STAGNATE; AND GO OFF.
    THE HOLY SPIRIT SHOULD FLOW AS RUNNING WATER,IT SHOULD BE FLOWING OUT OF OUR BELLIES.

    ANYONE CARE TO MAKE A COMMENT,AND *PROOF* ME TALKING CRAP?
    OR JUST SAY ALL IS CRAP NO NEED FOR PROOF. YOU SHOULD NOT JUDGE US.
    I AM NOT JUDGING ANYONE,BUT THE WRITTEN WORD DOES THE JUDGING.
    DONT USE THE WORD *JUDGE* AS A DEFFENCE; JUST AS THE WORLD USE THE WORD RACIALIST AS A DEFFENCE EVERYTIME.

    Shalom.
    wakeup.

    #780537
    Camillia
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup.
    Was that a sermon, a Wakeup Sermon. Why title it as “the 2nd coming according to the world”? Are you imagining that most of the world are Amil? No sir. Most of the world see’s a literal fulfillment of the millennium, still future. So perhaps you could change the title.

    #780539
    Camillia
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup,
    You said (elsewhere), the gate we must enter by is the Old Testament.

    The gate is Jesus. “I am the gate, and whoever enters through me will be saved”. “I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father but through me”.

    I am not saying we should ignore the Old Testament. Regarding prophecy, however, everything was explained in the New Testament.

    You asked if i understood what Zion, the Holy city of God is.

    In Jerusalem, Zion became God’s dwelling place of worship. “Zion”, is related to the Hebrew word “sinna”, which means “large shield, or fortress”.

    The earthly, physical Zion now relates to the spiritual, heavenly Zion.

    ‘But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.’

    #780572
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Camellia.

     

    Are you walking in the spirit of Christ in truth now?

    If you do; then you will rule in the kingdom of God after the resurrection.

    After you are born again in spirit form.

    The kingdom is the physical Zion; the holy Jerusalem.

     

    wakeup.

    #780596
    Camillia
    Participant

    Wakeup, could you please explain what you mean by “born again in spirit form”.

    Also, when you say the kingdom will be physical and in Jerusalem, are you meaning in the new heaven and the new earth.

    #780600
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Hi Camellia.

    John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
    ***and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit***.

    John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, ***Ye must be born again***.
    Mother Zion is spirit; She will give birth to all her children, in a spirit body.
    Flesh and blood can not enter into the kingdom OF HEAVEN.
    Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom. This means that you can not inherit heaven when still in the flesh.
    You must be resurrected in spirit form. This will happen in a wink of an eye.

    THE KINGDOM ON EARTH.
    Jerusalem will be the centre of the kingdom, because the kingdom will be 2240km square.
    With no visible walls. The remnant of the jews will live there in the flesh.
    That would be paradise to them; but a kingdom to Christ and his saints; for they will rule.
    There will be evil still; outside only. The gentile nations; some will not be reformed.
    This kingdom will be for a 1000years,only. Then all saints will live on the new earth, forever.

    wakeup.

    #780606
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,

    Mother Zion?

    It is being fathered in Spirit by anointing from above and obedience to the Spirit that makes us sons of God

    Flesh contributes nothing

    #780610
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Nick.

    2 John 1:1 The elder unto the elect LADY and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;

    2 John 1:5 And now I beseech thee, LADY, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

    wakeup.

    #780618
    Camillia
    Participant

    THE KINGDOM ON EARTH.
    Jerusalem will be the centre of the kingdom, because the kingdom will be 2240km square.
    With no visible walls. The remnant of the jews will live there in the flesh.
    That would be paradise to them; but a kingdom to Christ and his saints; for they will rule.
    There will be evil still; outside only. The gentile nations; some will not be reformed.
    This kingdom will be for a 1000years,only. Then all saints will live on the new earth, forever.

    Hi Wakeup. Have you ever thought that perhaps all of revelation is written from the spiritual aspect rather than from the physical aspect.

    From that perspective, Zion is spiritual (heavenly). Jerusalem is spiritual (heavenly).
    After all, Jesus did say the flesh profits nothing. And scripture does say that Mt Zion and Jerusalem now corresponds to the heavenly, (i.e., not physical).

    And then the beast, the mark; all would be spiritual.. if one were to take this perspective.

    #780619
    Camillia
    Participant

    John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
    ***and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit***.

    John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, ***Ye must be born again***.
    Mother Zion is spirit; She will give birth to all her children, in a spirit body.

    I believe this means, though I could be wrong: That which is born of the flesh, i.e., sin, lusts, flesh desires, material pursuits, concerns and worries is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit, i.e., prayer, union with God, spirituality, is spirit. So, we struggle between the desires of the flesh and the desires of the spirit, and whatever is born is born.

    #780621
    Camillia
    Participant

    Nick.

    2 John 1:1 The elder unto the elect LADY and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;

    2 John 1:5 And now I beseech thee, LADY, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

    Wakeup.
    Literal translation:
    The Elder to the choice Kyria, and to her children, whom I love in truth, and not I only, but also all those having known the truth…

    This was either a lady or church.

    #780622
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,

    Do not add your presumptions to scripture.

    #780629
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    Mother Zion is spirit?
    Any scriptures?

    #780630
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU<
    Still preaching your deceptions?

    #780635
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Camillia.

     

    Correct; that lady is the true church of God, (daughter of Zion), and we as TRUE Christians are Her children.

    Still in her belly right now, coming to maturity;  ready to be delivered AFTER her pains (labour pains).(tribulation).

    And She(daughter of Zion), will give birth to all her children at the resurrection, after the tribulation.

    After the pains;  not before the pains.

    She also gave birth to Jesus, rev.12. This Woman is the doctrine given to the 12 tribes of Israel. The old testament.

    Jesus is that bread from heaven, that came down to earth through that Woman.(spiritual).

    Bread = spiritual food.  That food = God’s teachings,doctrine = the Word of God = now the written word.

    The Word was made flesh. The Word = all God’s teachings, (doctrine), came down to earth = the light of the world.

    God’s Word was made flesh  through a vessel of flesh.  The transformation took place in Marie’s belly. Born of the flesh is flesh.

    A lot to  perceive.

    1. Mother Zion; is in heaven.

    2. The daughter of Zion.

    3.The bride of Christ.

    Maybe still hard to perceive this mystery.

     

    Shalom.

    wakeup.

    #780637
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Nick.

     

    You never knew of that Lady did you?

    You don’t know of many more things.

    Still groping in the dark.

     

    wakeup.

    #780638
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    1Peter 1.3
    “God…has caused us to be born again ..”
    But you are still waiting and hoping?

    #780639
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Camillia.

    Thy kingdom come; thy will be done on earth as in heaven.

    1.Who are the saints to rule over in heaven? Are saints to rule over saints?

    2.Born of the flesh means exactly that;  born of the flesh; no need to look for other meanings.

    3. We are all born of the flesh; because we are all flesh. We feel pain and get sick.

    4. Don’t get CONFUSED with ; the spirit of the flesh.

    5. All God’s teachings are of the spiritual.

    6.The Word revelation means exactly that ;  to reveal ; not to hide.

    7.After it is revealed to us in a certain way; and if we can not comprehend the way, don’t blame the way.

    8.If you don’t understand Russian; don’t blame the language; but yourself; you should have studied Russian.

    Are you learning Camillia?

     

    wakeup.

    #780641
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    Still seeking disciples?
    We have a Master

    #780689
    Camillia
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    1Peter 1.3
    “God…has caused us to be born again ..”
    But you are still waiting and hoping?

    Yes, we are born again through water baptism, and we need to learn to walk. Many will try to teach us otherwise.

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