The 24 Elders of Revelation

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2014,13:50)

Hi WU, Lk22 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. 29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; 30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.  The kingdom will be on earth . That is where those thrones shall be. The seats in heaven do not relate .Revelation 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

Nick.

Now I see that you have not the whole picture.
They are not ruling yet; UNTILL THE KINGDOM IS SET UP.
But they are ready to rule,and judge the 12 tribes in the second judgement.What is our time in heaven?

That is when Jesus will drink wine *again* with them.
Just as the last supper,when He drank with them for His last time on earth.Jesus said; I will not drink of this fruit untill the
kingdom.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Place is the issue – not time.
The meek shall inherit the earth

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2014,14:14)

Hi WU, Place is the issue – not time. The meek shall inherit the earth

Nick.

The kingdom WILL BE ON EARTH.
Did I say otherwise?

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
You showed the 24 elders on seats IN HEAVEN as if it was relevant.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2014,14:19)

Hi WU, You showed the 24 elders on seats IN HEAVEN as if it was relevant.

All in scripture to me is relevant.
Maybe not to you.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
So are the elders in heaven?

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2014,14:28)

Hi WU, So are the elders in heaven?

Nick.

Are You on tequilas or something?

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Can I take that as a yes?
So how does that relate to Rev 20 on earth?

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2014,15:33)

Hi WU, Can I take that as a yes? So how does that relate to Rev 20 on earth?

A yes to what?

John saw them 24 in heaven.
They will rule on their thrones on earth,in the kingdom.
The ones without the mark of the beast will be instantly judged by their resurrection. Once resurrected;you are already judged. They will rule on earth for a thousand years.
Rule over the jews.Amongst them are the 24 elders.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
So you PRESUME they are the ones and they came back to earth to judge?
Weak evidence.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2014,16:13)

Hi WU, So you PRESUME they are the ones and they came back to earth to judge? Weak evidence.

Why not? For they have inherited heaven and earth.
Why should they not judge on earth?

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Poor evidence

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2014,16:29)

Hi WU, Poor evidence

What evidence have you come up with?
So far there is only talk,and rejections.
Can not even proof that they are not men.
And yet speak as wise man.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Scripture IS evidence

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2014,17:16)

Hi WU, Scripture IS evidence

Nick.

True; but where is your evidence?

wakeup.

[journey42]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2014,14:28)

Hi WU, So are the elders in heaven?

Nick

The scriptures say that the 24 elders are in heaven around the throne of God, and they witness Jesus opening up the seals.
The seals are END TIME PROPHECY.
John saw in a vision.

That interesting fact is that they are there witnessing the seals being opened.  The seals had to be opened first before John could record what was contained in them in the book of Revelations, where the information is REVEALED, and not hidden anymore.

Now we know that Jesus promised the apostles that they would sit on thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel.
So we know that 24 of these elders are the apostles.

This raises another question;
Are the 12 apostles still dead in their graves,
or are they in heaven now?
John was the youngest apostle.
Did they get taken up together after the youngest died?
John died at around 70AD, he would of been quite old.
This has to be established first.

James 1:18   Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

1 Corinthians 15:23   But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

[NickHassan]

Hi J42,
SO WE KNOW??
They are not judging the twelve tribes of Israel there.

Give me a break.
Do you have no need of evidence because you KNOW?

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
What is not written cannot be taught.
Unless presumption is now allowed in the revealing of the truth of God.

fat chance

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2014,05:39)

Hi WU, What is not written cannot be taught. Unless presumption is now allowed in the revealing of the truth of God. fat chance

Nick.

The whole picture is not presented on a screen
for all to see. Its is hidden in the scriprures.
And it is for the seekers to discover.
Jesus spoke in parables; Revelation is full of symbols; why?
It is for the TRUE seekers to discover the truth.
All the treasures are hidden in the scriptures.

You preach baptism is when one is *BORN* again.
And that is NOT in scripture.
Billions of christians are not *BORN* again;so called.
Are they all saved? Then why must all those BORN again
christians go through the tribulation?

wakeup.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Yes many cannot hear the words of scripture through Peter in Acts 2.
They rely on their own ideas

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