The 24 Elders of Revelation

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  • #373922
    Wakeup
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 18 2014,07:26)
    Hi j42,
    Priests relate to God and kings dispense God's justice to men.
    Who is to say which is higher?

    God will teach


    Nick.

    ??

    God teaches men through the HS,
    and men teaches men, by the HS.

    wakeup.

    #373923
    journey42
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 18 2014,07:26)
    Hi j42,
    Priests relate to God and kings dispense God's justice to men.
    Who is to say which is higher?

    God will teach


    Hi Nick

    All who will possess the kingdom are called God's Jewels.
    Some Jewels shine brighter than others,
    but all are jewels.
    There will be no jealousy in the kingdom,
    as each will be assigned a job to do.
    Every kingdom has to have order,
    and order comes from God.
    Christ will chose that order
    and not us.

    #373924
    NickHassan
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    Hi j42,
    Exactly but two roles are specified.

    #373925
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    Yes the Spirit teaches from within 1jn2.27

    #373959
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 18 2014,09:47)
    Hi j42,
    Exactly but two roles are specified.


    Hi Nick

    Yes well all the saints will rule with Christ.
    We know that all that are accepted into the kingdom,
    will be made “perfect”
    I presume “perfect” will be made of “perfect” wisdom also.
    the saints who have only had a little measure of the holy spirit, and not the full measure, have to be corrected where they erred in doctrinal matters.
    …and they will be corrected, for the lamb will teach them.
    so possibly all will become priests (teachers)
    to teach those survivors who do not know.

    #373960
    NickHassan
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    Hi j42,
    I am sure the inner teacher will do the teaching work
    They will need man to teach them

    Likewise it is the Spirit Who perfects

    #374850
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    John spoke with one of the elders several times.

    #374851
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi,
    rev 5.5 and rev 7.13
    John did not recognise them as men of old etc

    #374852
    NickHassan
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    Hi,
    Yet John in the same book recognised angels

    Rev 22
    8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

    9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

    #374926
    Wakeup
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    Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them,
    ***Verily I say unto you***,(apostles). That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall ***sit in the throne of his glory***,
    ***ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones***, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    They are the twelve.The other twelve we dont know.
    Could be twelve prophets. For there are twenty four elders.

    wakeup.

    #374935
    NickHassan
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    Hi WU,
    So was John speaking with himself or Peter or James??
    And he did not know them??

    #374967
    Wakeup
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2014,05:18)
    Hi WU,
    So was John speaking with himself or Peter or James??
    And he did not know them??


    Nick.

    John just saw 24 elders; He did not describe their faces.
    He must be amongst them in the vision.
    He must have been resurrected soon after,and sit amongst them.

    wakeup.

    #374969
    NickHassan
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    Hi WU,
    So you are sure about your speculation?
    Now it gets more complex?

    John spoke with one of the elders

    #374972
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2014,08:30)
    Hi WU,
    So you are sure about your speculation?
    Now it gets more complex?

    John spoke with one of the elders


    Nick.

    Two plus two=four. UNLESS JOHN WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE CONSIDERED AN ELDER.

    wakeup.

    #374975
    NickHassan
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    hi WU,
    Based on your speculation John could have spoken with himself

    #375010
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2014,08:51)
    hi WU,
    Based on your speculation John could have spoken with himself


    That does not make any sense.
    John said:one of the elders.
    Revelation of the unsealing is of the future to John;
    He was still alive in the flesh.He must have died soon after.
    Usually when a person has finished the job given to him,
    he will die.His purpose is on earth is fulfilled.

    wakeup.

    #375028
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    Scripture does not say they were men, apostles or prophets
    But you can?

    On what written evidence?

    #375054
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2014,11:44)
    Hi WU,
    Scripture does not say they were men, apostles or prophets
    But you can?

    On what written evidence?


    What is the use of responding if you dont bother to read?

    Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them,
    ***Verily I say unto you***(APOSTLES);
    *** That *ye* which have followed me***,
    in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the
    throne of his glory,

    ***ye also shall sit upon *twelve* thrones***,
    judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    TWELVE THRONES WE KNOW.I SAY, JOHN WOULD BE INCLUDED.UNLESS YOU THINK OTHERWISE.
    THE OTHER TWELVE WOULD BE SPECULATION.
    COULD BE TWELVE PROPHETS??

    wakeup.

    #375055
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,

    Lk22
    Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.

    29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

    30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    The kingdom will be on earth .
    That is where those thrones shall be.

    The seats in heaven do not relate
    .Revelation 4:10
    The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

    #375062
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    This in ON EARTH

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