The 2 beasts of rev 13 the 4th beast of Daniel

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 23 2012,15:50)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 23 2012,15:23)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 23 2012,14:00)

Hi Wakeup,

It looks like the little horn is Muhammadin isalm. …you disagree?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Edj.

so now the little horn is a religion; what next.
you change your doctrine overnight.

horns means kings,cant changed that at will.

wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

I have not studied about the little horn, I asked you to explain it,
and you refused. When I take a guess, then you scold me; what
gives? Since then I have studied and now I will explain it to you!

Lion- Babylon
Bear- Medo-Persia
Leopard- Greece

Roman Empire: (Dan 7:7) “After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast,
dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured
and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse
from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.”

Rev.13:1-3

Spirit of Antichrist (Dan.7:8) “I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another
little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold,
in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD)
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

EDJ.

One more time.

LION IS NOT BABYLON BUT THE KING OF THE MEDES;DARIOUS.

The bear is the kingdom of the persians.
Thee leopard is greece.
This is where names are not mentioned anymore.
But the ram=persia. the goat=greecia.
Rome was not mentioned by name.

wakeup.

March 23, 2012 at 9:09 pm#287112

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Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 23 2012,17:12)

EDJ.

One more time.

LION IS NOT BABYLON BUT THE KING OF THE MEDES;DARIOUS.

The bear is the kingdom of the persians.
Thee leopard is greece.
This is where names are not mentioned anymore.
But the ram=persia. the goat=greecia.
Rome was not mentioned by name.

wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

Please state why you believe what you do
instead of just repeating it over and over.
You repeating it does NOT make it true?

I asked you to explain something else here as well.
But is seems instead of explaining why you believe
what you do, you would rather just tell us what to believe; this is NOT a wise approach!

I also asked you to explain the 'little horn', and
instead of you explaining it, YOU ASKED ME TO?
Then after I take a guess (merely to please you)
you mock me as if I had believed this all along.

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 22 2012,03:35)

I am learning your approach,and you mine.

If this is your approach, THEN YOUR APPROACH STINKS!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

March 24, 2012 at 5:11 am#287179

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 24 2012,08:09)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 23 2012,17:12)

EDJ.

One more time.

LION IS NOT BABYLON BUT THE KING OF THE MEDES;DARIOUS.

The bear is the kingdom of the persians.
Thee leopard is greece.
This is where names are not mentioned anymore.
But the ram=persia. the goat=greecia.
Rome was not mentioned by name.

wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

Please state why you believe what you do
instead of just repeating it over and over.
You repeating it does NOT make it true?

I asked you to explain something else here as well.
But is seems instead of explaining why you believe
what you do, you would rather just tell us what to believe; this is NOT a wise approach!

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 22 2012,03:35)

I am learning your approach,and you mine.

If this is your approach, THEN YOUR APPROACH STINKS!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

He has been explaining the little horn to you, and giving you scriptures to back up. Why do you ask what something is when it's been explained to you 20 times or so?

The little horn is the false prophet who will arise. Simple as that. A man of Jewish blood.

The whole christian world believes in the man that came out of Israel (Christ),
soon the whole world will believe in another man that sets up his temple in Israel.(the false christ)

If you are looking for something different, then you won't recognise the real son of Perdition when he emerges. You will be fooled by him, because you will be expecting some muslim man. But I pray you don't. And Ed, only time will tell. Just keep your eyes open for whats happening in Europe. When 10 nations join as one to form a new type of union then maybe you can see the picture more clearly. They will be powerful and they will control the world's money system. It will happen in about 2 or three years. And when this happens, expect the real false prophet (son of perdition) to be it's leader. You will see he is not a muslim, but probably of jewish blood, because the Jews will accept him.

Peace

March 24, 2012 at 5:33 am#287181

the beast that was(Rev.13:1-3), and is not(Rev.12:3), and yet is(Rev.17:3)

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Hi Georgie,

It's sure a relief to have you here, because your uncle's
explanations are very 'fuzzy', while yours are crystal clear.

I believe you are pushing much fulfilled Prophecy off into the future.
If you're interested in me explaining why, please check out the thread…

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

March 24, 2012 at 9:38 am#287194

the beast that was(Rev.13:1-3), and is not(Rev.12:3), and yet is(Rev.17:3)

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 24 2012,16:33)

Hi Georgie,

It's sure a relief to have you here, because your uncle's
explanations are very 'fuzzy', while yours are crystal clear.

I believe you are pushing much fulfilled Prophecy off into the future.
If you're interested in me explaining why, please check out the thread…

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Ed
I answered you on the Red Dragon post, but can't find my reply. I think I lost it. Will have to do again. Drats!

March 24, 2012 at 9:46 am#287195

the beast that was(Rev.13:1-3), and is not(Rev.12:3), and yet is(Rev.17:3)

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Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 24 2012,20:38)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 24 2012,16:33)

Hi Georgie,

It's sure a relief to have you here, because your uncle's
explanations are very 'fuzzy', while yours are crystal clear.

I believe you are pushing much fulfilled Prophecy off into the future.
If you're interested in me explaining why, please check out the thread…

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Ed
I answered you on the Red Dragon post, but can't find my reply. I think I lost it. Will have to do again. Drats!

Hi Georgie,

No need to repeat what you put here…
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=420

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

March 29, 2012 at 12:49 am#288620

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 24 2012,08:09)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 23 2012,17:12)

EDJ.

One more time.

LION IS NOT BABYLON BUT THE KING OF THE MEDES;DARIOUS.

The bear is the kingdom of the persians.
Thee leopard is greece.
This is where names are not mentioned anymore.
But the ram=persia. the goat=greecia.
Rome was not mentioned by name.

wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

Please state why you believe what you do
instead of just repeating it over and over.
You repeating it does NOT make it true?

I asked you to explain something else here as well.
But is seems instead of explaining why you believe
what you do, you would rather just tell us what to believe; this is NOT a wise approach!

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 22 2012,03:35)

I am learning your approach,and you mine.

If this is your approach, THEN YOUR APPROACH STINKS!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

EDJ.

The old doctrine that you have in your mind needs to be cleared; it seems that it is clogging up your mind.(no heart feelings brother).

For I have explained it as simple as possible, but it just will not compute with you.

The lion with the wings is the kingdom of the medes and the kings name is DARIUS.

Why can it not be babylon??

Because babylon existed for many,many years,and Daniel was living in that final moment of babylon,when he saw the vision.For soon after that; Belshazzar was killed by Darius.

The vision was about the future kingdoms.(1). medes.(2).persia,(3).greecia,(4).rome; BUT THE VERY END TIME KINGDOM OF ROME;the last kingdom of man.
We are living in a greco roman system today.(the 7th head).
The 8th is coming soon(the dreadful beast with 10 horns),and will be cast into the lake of fire.(rev.19:20).

You asked me about the little horn.

The dreadful beast in dan.7:7.had 10 horns on his (one) head, then a little horn came up LATER.(not together ,but later).
And this dreadful beast,was cast into the lake of fire.(end of beast and little horn).verse11.

DAN.7:11.I BEHELD THEN BECAUSE OF THE VOICE OF THE GREAT WORDS WHICH THE HORN SPAKE: I BEHELD EVEN –TILL THE BEAST WAS SLAIN AND HIS BODY DESTROYED,AND GIVEN TO THE BURNING FLAME.(THE END OF THE LITTLE HORN AND BEAST).

THIS HAPPENED IN REV.19:20 WHEN THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.(the end of them)
Is this so hard to follow?

And dont say it is MY DOCTRINE; just follow it up in your bible.
and have an honest heart.I am not making money out of this.
I am not selling books or videos.

wakeup.

March 29, 2012 at 12:56 am#288627

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Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 29 2012,11:49)

And dont say it is MY DOCTRINE; just follow it up in your bible.
and have an honest heart.I am not making money out of this.
I am not selling books or videos.

wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

March 29, 2012 at 12:57 am#288631

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 29 2012,11:49)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 24 2012,08:09)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 23 2012,17:12)

EDJ.

One more time.

LION IS NOT BABYLON BUT THE KING OF THE MEDES;DARIOUS.

The bear is the kingdom of the persians.
Thee leopard is greece.
This is where names are not mentioned anymore.
But the ram=persia. the goat=greecia.
Rome was not mentioned by name.

wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

Please state why you believe what you do
instead of just repeating it over and over.
You repeating it does NOT make it true?

I asked you to explain something else here as well.
But is seems instead of explaining why you believe
what you do, you would rather just tell us what to believe; this is NOT a wise approach!

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 22 2012,03:35)

I am learning your approach,and you mine.

If this is your approach, THEN YOUR APPROACH STINKS!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

EDJ.

The old doctrine that you have in your mind needs to be cleared; it seems that it is clogging up your mind.(no heart feelings brother).

For I have explained it as simple as possible, but it just will not compute with you.

The lion with the wings is the kingdom of the medes and the kings name is DARIUS.

Why can it not be babylon??

Because babylon existed for many,many years,and Daniel was living in that final moment of babylon,when he saw the vision.For soon after that; Belshazzar was killed by Darius.

You asked me about the little horn.

THIS HAPPENED IN REV.19:20 WHEN THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.(the end of them)
Is this so hard to follow?

And dont say it is MY DOCTRINE; just follow it up in your bible.
and have an honest heart.I am not making money out of this.
I am not selling books or videos.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Thanks for you explanation!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

March 29, 2012 at 1:03 am#288635

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,11:56)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 29 2012,11:49)

And dont say it is MY DOCTRINE; just follow it up in your bible.
and have an honest heart.I am not making money out of this.
I am not selling books or videos.

wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Edj.

Is that all you have to say about my explanation?
After you asking me to explain about the little horn.
And all you say is; what has it got to do with the price of tea in china. I thought you were serious.

wakeup.

March 29, 2012 at 1:15 am#288643

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 29 2012,12:03)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,11:56)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 29 2012,11:49)

And dont say it is MY DOCTRINE; just follow it up in your bible.
and have an honest heart.I am not making money out of this.
I am not selling books or videos.

wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Edj.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

I didn't think you were interested in what I believe it means? …are you?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

March 29, 2012 at 1:52 am#288660

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,12:15)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 29 2012,12:03)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,11:56)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 29 2012,11:49)

And dont say it is MY DOCTRINE; just follow it up in your bible.
and have an honest heart.I am not making money out of this.
I am not selling books or videos.

wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Edj.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

I didn't think you were interested in what I believe it means? …are you?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

And what is your believe?
The muslems are going to take the world?
The pope is the little horn?
Babylon the great is the vatican?
please explain.

wakeup.

March 30, 2012 at 1:03 am#288880

Pastry

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 29 2012,12:03)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,11:56)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 29 2012,11:49)

And dont say it is MY DOCTRINE; just follow it up in your bible.
and have an honest heart.I am not making money out of this.
I am not selling books or videos.

wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Edj.

wakeup.

, do I hear an echo?

March 31, 2012 at 12:45 am#288996

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 29 2012,11:49)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 24 2012,08:09)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 23 2012,17:12)

EDJ.

One more time.

LION IS NOT BABYLON BUT THE KING OF THE MEDES;DARIOUS.

The bear is the kingdom of the persians.
Thee leopard is greece.
This is where names are not mentioned anymore.
But the ram=persia. the goat=greecia.
Rome was not mentioned by name.

wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

Please state why you believe what you do
instead of just repeating it over and over.
You repeating it does NOT make it true?

I asked you to explain something else here as well.
But is seems instead of explaining why you believe
what you do, you would rather just tell us what to believe; this is NOT a wise approach!

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 22 2012,03:35)

I am learning your approach,and you mine.

If this is your approach, THEN YOUR APPROACH STINKS!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

EDJ.

The old doctrine that you have in your mind needs to be cleared; it seems that it is clogging up your mind.(no heart feelings brother).

For I have explained it as simple as possible, but it just will not compute with you.

The lion with the wings is the kingdom of the medes and the kings name is DARIUS.

Why can it not be babylon??

Because babylon existed for many,many years,and Daniel was living in that final moment of babylon,when he saw the vision.For soon after that; Belshazzar was killed by Darius.

You asked me about the little horn.

THIS HAPPENED IN REV.19:20 WHEN THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.(the end of them)
Is this so hard to follow?

And dont say it is MY DOCTRINE; just follow it up in your bible.
and have an honest heart.I am not making money out of this.
I am not selling books or videos.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Yes, I asked you to explain the 'little horn',
but I don't see any explanation here?

Only the events leading up to the 'little horn',
and what you believe will happen to it afterward.

Neither of these things are part of the question I asked you?
I simply asked you to explain the 'little horn',
so will you now please do so?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

March 31, 2012 at 3:32 am#289012

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2012,11:45)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 29 2012,11:49)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 24 2012,08:09)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 23 2012,17:12)

EDJ.

One more time.

LION IS NOT BABYLON BUT THE KING OF THE MEDES;DARIOUS.

The bear is the kingdom of the persians.
Thee leopard is greece.
This is where names are not mentioned anymore.
But the ram=persia. the goat=greecia.
Rome was not mentioned by name.

wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

Please state why you believe what you do
instead of just repeating it over and over.
You repeating it does NOT make it true?

I asked you to explain something else here as well.
But is seems instead of explaining why you believe
what you do, you would rather just tell us what to believe; this is NOT a wise approach!

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 22 2012,03:35)

I am learning your approach,and you mine.

If this is your approach, THEN YOUR APPROACH STINKS!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

EDJ.

The old doctrine that you have in your mind needs to be cleared; it seems that it is clogging up your mind.(no heart feelings brother).

For I have explained it as simple as possible, but it just will not compute with you.

The lion with the wings is the kingdom of the medes and the kings name is DARIUS.

Why can it not be babylon??

Because babylon existed for many,many years,and Daniel was living in that final moment of babylon,when he saw the vision.For soon after that; Belshazzar was killed by Darius.

You asked me about the little horn.

THIS HAPPENED IN REV.19:20 WHEN THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.(the end of them)
Is this so hard to follow?

And dont say it is MY DOCTRINE; just follow it up in your bible.
and have an honest heart.I am not making money out of this.
I am not selling books or videos.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Yes, I asked you to explain the 'little horn',
but I don't see any explanation here?

Only the events leading up to the 'little horn',
and what you believe will happen to it afterward.

Neither of these things are part of the question I asked you?
I simply asked you to explain the 'little horn',
so will you now please do so?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Hi Edj

I hope Wakeup answers this soon. In the meantime,
there are only events leading up to the little horn, for he has not emerged yet. How can wakeup explain who he is when the exact man is not revealed yet. All we know is that he will come up out of the 10 kings. We have a good idea those kings are the kings of the north (europe) as per scripture, and we know the Jews won't accept a messiah who is not a Jew. We can only speculate that this man will be a Jew, and may not even be from Israel who will lead.

If the future for you is already past…and you are wrong, then you will be deceived. You will not identify the false prophet when he comes, along with the whole world, as he deceives even if it were possible, the very elect.

You seem to be forgetting that this is the end-time beast that will be thrown into the lake of fire at Christ's coming…..
so doesn't that mean it is future?
This is what wakeup has been trying to tell you all along. It can't be past because of this clue. So it must be future, because Jesus has not returned yet, and he will throw this beast into the lake of fire at the same time when he destroys Babylon the Great, and Babylon the Great is still here.

March 31, 2012 at 5:36 pm#289036

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2012,11:45)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 29 2012,11:49)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 24 2012,08:09)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 23 2012,17:12)

EDJ.

One more time.

LION IS NOT BABYLON BUT THE KING OF THE MEDES;DARIOUS.

The bear is the kingdom of the persians.
Thee leopard is greece.
This is where names are not mentioned anymore.
But the ram=persia. the goat=greecia.
Rome was not mentioned by name.

wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

Please state why you believe what you do
instead of just repeating it over and over.
You repeating it does NOT make it true?

I asked you to explain something else here as well.
But is seems instead of explaining why you believe
what you do, you would rather just tell us what to believe; this is NOT a wise approach!

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 22 2012,03:35)

I am learning your approach,and you mine.

If this is your approach, THEN YOUR APPROACH STINKS!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

EDJ.

The old doctrine that you have in your mind needs to be cleared; it seems that it is clogging up your mind.(no heart feelings brother).

For I have explained it as simple as possible, but it just will not compute with you.

The lion with the wings is the kingdom of the medes and the kings name is DARIUS.

Why can it not be babylon??

Because babylon existed for many,many years,and Daniel was living in that final moment of babylon,when he saw the vision.For soon after that; Belshazzar was killed by Darius.

You asked me about the little horn.

THIS HAPPENED IN REV.19:20 WHEN THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.(the end of them)
Is this so hard to follow?

And dont say it is MY DOCTRINE; just follow it up in your bible.
and have an honest heart.I am not making money out of this.
I am not selling books or videos.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Yes, I asked you to explain the 'little horn',
but I don't see any explanation here?

Only the events leading up to the 'little horn',
and what you believe will happen to it afterward.

Neither of these things are part of the question I asked you?
I simply asked you to explain the 'little horn',
so will you now please do so?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

EDJ.

What about you explaining your doctrine?
Its time that you do,for everyone sake.
You have a lot of explaining to do,for you have been ignoring scripture after scripture.

1). 7 mountains, and there are 7 kings this is what the scripture says.

But EdJ says no: not 7kings but 10 kings.

2). The little horn(false prophet) will come, and will be in existence at the 2nd coming, and cast into the lake of fire.

But Edj says no: he came 1400 years ago,and his name is mohamad.(if not mohamad,then what was his role,and who is the little horn since you have included him as one of the 10 horns).

3). The scripture says the 10horns are on the one and same head.

But Edj says no: the 10 horns are one on each of the 7heads
and the 3kings are alexanders generals, and the one little horn,which is mohamad.

(this makes it 12 in total: 7kings+4generals+1little horn=12).??

4). The scripture says; christ will reign for a1000yrs.

But EDJ says no: 1000 yrs could mean 2000yrs.

5). The scripture says that every EYE shall see the second coming of christ,and they also who pierced him.(jews)and they are not born again.

But EDj says no: Only the born again christians can see him,with their spiritual eye.

6).The scripture says; Christ will come at the last(7th)trump.

But EdJ says no: Christ came 2000yrs ago at pantecost.

It seems that the great delusion is come for some.

Do some explaining Ed.

wakeup.

March 31, 2012 at 6:32 pm#289049

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Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 29 2012,12:52)

EdJ.

And what is your believe?
(1)The muslems are going to take the world?
(2)The pope is the little horn?
(3)Babylon the great is the vatican?
please explain.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

What is your believe? …that's what threads are for

1) No (Link)
2) No
3) No

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

April 1, 2012 at 1:59 am#289130

Pastry

Participant

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 31 2012,14:32)

Hi Edj

Journey

The problem with most people, including you, is, you don't pay attention to what scripture is saying; case in point.

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Now, if you don't understand that this beast represents Rome, than we have a problem.
But I shall continue, assuming you do.
You do know that a “”horn”” symbolizes a king/ruler, right?
Now, if you could understand that “”ten”” is not a number for 10 individuals, but rather a number of completion, meaning ALL included, it would be much easier to explain. These “”ten”” kings/rulers are all the kings that would rule Rome.

Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise:…

You see, it says, ten horns, ten kings, OUT OF “”THIS”” (ROME) KINGDOM.

Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Now look what it says, “”there came up among them””; among all the horns, a “”LITTLE”” horn/ruler.
There are two things that are overlooked;
ONE, this “little” horn had its beginning during the Roman empire.
TWO, he had a small and insignificant beginning.

Only after the western leg of the empire collapsed, 565 AD, did he begin to rule.

This little horn/ruler is no longer future, in fact he has stopped ruling.

Georg

April 1, 2012 at 7:37 am#289169

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Quote (Pastry @ April 01 2012,12:59)

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 31 2012,14:32)

Hi Edj

Journey

The problem with most people, including you, is, you don't pay attention to what scripture is saying; case in point.

Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise:…

You see, it says, ten horns, ten kings, OUT OF “”THIS”” (ROME) KINGDOM.

Only after the western leg of the empire collapsed, 565 AD, did he begin to rule.

This little horn/ruler is no longer future, in fact he has stopped ruling.

Georg

Hi Georg

Thanks for your explanation.

If this little horn has already been and gone, then who was he?
when was he thrown into the lake of fire? because Christ is the one who throws him into the lake of fire at his 2nd coming.

Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgement was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon the earth, which shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Georg, I don't see this as being Rome back then. I see it as a new type of future Rome. Rome will be included among the ten rulers. Rome did not tread down and break in pieces the whole earth, but this beast will…future. This is the beast that the little horn will come up out of – the false prophet. He is the little horn that issues the mark of the beast, and these people who accept that mark from the beast, receive the plagues from the 7 trumpets. It all ties into the end times.

April 2, 2012 at 2:34 am#289364