Terraricca and 2b

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,20:52)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,01:28) I have stopped religion formatting 40 years ago Were you a JW 40 years ago?

No I was studying with the Armstrong ,the so called Church of God'

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,02:00)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,20:53) So that's a “Yes” then, right? Meaning you were trying to explain 2 Cor 6:16 to me in the post dated  Aug. 02 2013,10:49. Edj That is not the only post to you about the verse ,right

Hi Pierre,

Correct that is not the only post you posted about the verse I asked you to explain, but
it is the only post that you actually attempted to explain your understanding of 2Cor.6:16!      (Which is what I asked you to do from the get-go!)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,02:02)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,20:52) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,01:28) I have stopped religion formatting 40 years ago Were you a JW 40 years ago? No I was studying with the Armstrong ,the so called Church of God'

Armstrong got a lot of things right!

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,01:46)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,01:28) Quote (2besee @ Aug. 03 2013,17:41) Terraricca, How much JW literature have you read? Please be honest! 2bee Why do I have to be honest, am I an liar or dishonest most of the time And what are the JW or ? To do with anything I have stopped religion formatting 40 years ago, but I have read ancient religions and the origin of them and the changes they have taken through men's history, and other things Hi Pierre, Saying that God's “Holy-Spirit” is a force like electricity s JW doctrine and we all know this; NO SECRET THERE! So is Jesus being a little god and Micheal the archAngel. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hey WJ,

Expect the JW's to change this verse in their next revision of God's word. It doesn't look like we have electricity here!

John 16:7 (NWT): “Nevertheless, I am tell YOU the truth, It is for your benefit that I am going away.
For if I do not go not away, the helper will by no means come to YOU; but if I do go my way,
I will send him unto YOU.”     (Looks like they slipped up here)

Your brother    
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 02 2013,08:09)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 01 2013,19:02) If the Spirit and the Father and the Son are three DIFFERENT persons, then what does it mean to say “the Son is the Spirit”; or “the Father is the Spirit”? Mike it means the scripture says…”THE SPIRIT IS “THE LORD”. QUESTION YOU MUST ASK…. ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE IS THE SPIRIT “THE LORD”? If you can be honest and answer this question then we can move on to another verse about the person of the Holy Spirit. WJ

I can clearly see that the Greek words say “the lord is the spirit”.

But before you bypass my query and move on to other scriptures, I need to know WHO the “lord” is in this verse.

If you say the lord is Jehovah, then what does it mean to say “Jehovah is the spirit”?

If you say the lord is Jesus, then what does it mean to say, “Jesus is the spirit”?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 03 2013,02:57)

Terraricca, (and Mike). When we pray, is God with us, or is God a long way away, what is your opinion?

God dwells in heaven. He is always in heaven. He can be metaphorically “with us” during prayer via His Holy Spirit.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 03 2013,03:13)

Also…. Describe for me what this “power like electricity” is. Thanks.

God breathed into Adam and animated him as a living being. The spirit of God by which men are animated (the one that goes back to God when we die) cannot be the Holy Spirit – or else all men have, and live by, the Holy Spirit.

If that is the case, then the Holy Spirit cannot be a gift given by God to only certain men – because we would all have it from birth.

So the spirit God gives all men – the spirit by which we are animated – could be likened to electricity that powers us.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 03 2013,05:32)

The one and the same spirit is called: The Spirit of God, The Holy Spirit, The Eternal Spirit, The Spirit of Christ, The Spirit of the Son. As Paul explained, there is only ONE SPIRIT – it us ONE AND THE SAME SPIRIT.

If you do not include the “spirit of the antichrist” in with this “one spirit”, then what makes you think you can include the “spirit of Christ” with the “Holy Spirit”?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 03 2013,07:21)

Was David confused when he says… Ps 139:7 Where can I go from your Spirit?

Was David confused when he called it “YOUR spirit”?

WHOSE spirit is it, Keith? God's, right?

So if David refers to it as “YOUR spirit”, then he is listing the Spirit of God as something OTHER THAN God Himself.

Otherwise, we could invent a doctrine where God's righteousness is another member in the Godhead. Or God's wisdom. Or God's faithfulness. Or God's thoughts. Etc.

[mikeboll64]

Is the Holy Spirit OF God an active force by which GOD accomplishes His purposes on occasion?  YES or NO?

Because that is what the JWs call it:  God's active force.

So the question is:  Does God SEND HIS Holy Spirit on occasion?  Or does God Himself come and perform those tasks?  Which one does scripture bear out?

John 14:16
I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you forever –

Who is this “advocate”, if not the Holy Spirit of God?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,03:59)

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 03 2013,05:32) The one and the same spirit is called: The Spirit of God, The Holy Spirit, The Eternal Spirit, The Spirit of Christ, The Spirit of the Son. As Paul explained, there is only ONE SPIRIT – it us ONE AND THE SAME SPIRIT. If you do not include the “spirit of the antichrist” in with this “one spirit”, then what makes you think you can include the “spirit of Christ” with the “Holy Spirit”?

Hi Mike,

I don't think 2Besee will understand your question. This is an easier way to put it…  

“Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us,
 and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in  
 subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” (Heb 12:9)

     Which of these spirits is “the spirit of Christ”?

           1. The Father of Spirits
           2. Spirits that the Father of spirits is father of.

I say the “HolySpirit” is #1, and
“the spirit of Christ” is #2;
what say you Mike?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[2besee]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,04:02)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,20:52) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,01:28) I have stopped religion formatting 40 years ago Were you a JW 40 years ago? No I was studying with the Armstrong ,the so called Church of God'

Hi Terraricca,
For how long?

They believe as the JWs do, regarding the Holy Spirit.

[2besee]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,04:55)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,01:46) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,01:28) Quote (2besee @ Aug. 03 2013,17:41) Terraricca, How much JW literature have you read? Please be honest! 2bee Why do I have to be honest, am I an liar or dishonest most of the time And what are the JW or ? To do with anything I have stopped religion formatting 40 years ago, but I have read ancient religions and the origin of them and the changes they have taken through men's history, and other things Hi Pierre, Saying that God's “Holy-Spirit” is a force like electricity s JW doctrine and we all know this; NO SECRET THERE! So is Jesus being a little god and Micheal the archAngel. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hey WJ, Expect the JW's to change this verse in their next revision of God's word. It doesn't look like we have electricity here! John 16:7 (NWT): “Nevertheless, I am tell YOU the truth, It is for your benefit that I am going away. For if I do not go not away, the helper will by no means come to YOU; but if I do go my way, I will send him unto YOU.”     (Looks like they slipped up here) Your brother     in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

John  

14:16 I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, that he may be with you forever,–  14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world can't receive; for it doesn't see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.
 14:18 I will not leave you orphans. I will come to you.

[2besee]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,06:15)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,03:59) Quote (2besee @ Aug. 03 2013,05:32) The one and the same spirit is called: The Spirit of God, The Holy Spirit, The Eternal Spirit, The Spirit of Christ, The Spirit of the Son. As Paul explained, there is only ONE SPIRIT – it us ONE AND THE SAME SPIRIT. If you do not include the “spirit of the antichrist” in with this “one spirit”, then what makes you think you can include the “spirit of Christ” with the “Holy Spirit”? Hi Mike, I don't think 2Besee will understand your question. This is an easier way to put it…   “Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us,  and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in    subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” (Heb 12:9)      Which of these spirits is “the spirit of Christ”?            1. The Father of Spirits            2. Spirits that the Father of spirits is father of. I say the “HolySpirit” is #1, and “the spirit of Christ” is #2; what say you Mike? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Mike and Ed J,

Please read these verses carefully and read every word, not just the boldest parts.

There is only one true spirit in believers.
Paul tells us this in 1 Corinthians.

12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no man speaking by God's Spirit says, “Jesus is accursed.” No one can say, “Lord Jesus,” but by the Holy Spirit.  
12:4 Now there are various kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit.  
12:5 There are various kinds of service, and the same Lord.  
12:6 There are various kinds of workings, but the same God, who works all things in all.  
12:7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the profit of all.
12:8 For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom, and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit;
 12:9 to another faith, by the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, by the same Spirit;
12:10 and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits; to another different kinds of languages; and to another the interpretation of languages.  
12:11 But the one and the same Spirit works all of these, distributing to each one separately as he desires.
12:12 For as the body is one, and has many members, and all the members of the body, being many, are one body; so also is Christ.
12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all given to drink into one Spirit.

The one spirit is called:

The Spirit of God,
The Holy Spirit,
The Eternal Spirit
The Spirit of Christ,
The Spirit of the Son,

1 Peter

1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets sought and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,  
1:11 searching for who or what kind of time the Spirit of Christ, which was in them, pointed to, when he predicted the sufferings of Christ, and the glories that would follow them.  
1:12 To them it was revealed, that not to themselves, but to you, they ministered these things, which now have been announced to you through those who preached the Good News to you by the Holy Spirit sent out from heaven; which things angels desire to look into.

Hebrews  

9:14 how much more will the blood of the Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

John  

14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and will remind you of all that I said to you.

Galatians  

4:6 And because you are children, God sent out the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!”

Romans

 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.

And, in 1 Corinthians 2, it is God's own Spirit!

1 Corinthians  

2:10 But to us, God revealed them through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
2:11 For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of the man, which is in him? Even so, no one knows the things of God, except God's Spirit.
2:12 But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that were freely given to us by God.
 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual things.  
2:14 Now the natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
2:15 But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one.
2:16 “For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him?” But we have Christ's mind.

 

[2besee]

Mike,
I will return to your other posts later on.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,23:15)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,03:59) Quote (2besee @ Aug. 03 2013,05:32) The one and the same spirit is called: The Spirit of God, The Holy Spirit, The Eternal Spirit, The Spirit of Christ, The Spirit of the Son. As Paul explained, there is only ONE SPIRIT – it us ONE AND THE SAME SPIRIT. If you do not include the “spirit of the antichrist” in with this “one spirit”, then what makes you think you can include the “spirit of Christ” with the “Holy Spirit”? Hi Mike, I don't think 2Besee will understand your question. This is an easier way to put it…   “Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us,  and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in    subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” (Heb 12:9)      Which of these spirits is “the spirit of Christ”?            1. The Father of Spirits            2. Spirits that the Father of spirits is father of. I say the “HolySpirit” is #1, and “the spirit of Christ” is #2; what say you Mike? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

what is the spirit in those verses and in your question

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 04 2013,05:00)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,04:02) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,20:52) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,01:28) I have stopped religion formatting 40 years ago Were you a JW 40 years ago? No I was studying with the Armstrong ,the so called Church of God' Hi Terraricca, For how long? They believe as the JWs do, regarding the Holy Spirit.

2bee

this is not the place to expose my private live ,so your questions have to be centered on scriptures ,truth is found in the scriptures not in religion ,

so answer my questions or accept that you do not know it ,

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 04 2013,05:37)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,06:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,03:59) Quote (2besee @ Aug. 03 2013,05:32) The one and the same spirit is called: The Spirit of God, The Holy Spirit, The Eternal Spirit, The Spirit of Christ, The Spirit of the Son. As Paul explained, there is only ONE SPIRIT – it us ONE AND THE SAME SPIRIT. If you do not include the “spirit of the antichrist” in with this “one spirit”, then what makes you think you can include the “spirit of Christ” with the “Holy Spirit”? Hi Mike, I don't think 2Besee will understand your question. This is an easier way to put it…   “Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us,  and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in    subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” (Heb 12:9)      Which of these spirits is “the spirit of Christ”?            1. The Father of Spirits            2. Spirits that the Father of spirits is father of. I say the “HolySpirit” is #1, and “the spirit of Christ” is #2; what say you Mike? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Mike and Ed J, Please read these verses carefully and read every word, not just the boldest parts. There is only one true spirit in believers. Paul tells us this in 1 Corinthians. 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no man speaking by God's Spirit says, “Jesus is accursed.” No one can say, “Lord Jesus,” but by the Holy Spirit.   12:4 Now there are various kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit.   12:5 There are various kinds of service, and the same Lord.   12:6 There are various kinds of workings, but the same God, who works all things in all.   12:7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the profit of all. 12:8 For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom, and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit;  12:9 to another faith, by the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, by the same Spirit; 12:10 and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits; to another different kinds of languages; and to another the interpretation of languages.   12:11 But the one and the same Spirit works all of these, distributing to each one separately as he desires. 12:12 For as the body is one, and has many members, and all the members of the body, being many, are one body; so also is Christ. 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all given to drink into one Spirit. The one spirit is called: The Spirit of God, The Holy Spirit, The Eternal Spirit The Spirit of Christ, The Spirit of the Son, 1 Peter 1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets sought and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,   1:11 searching for who or what kind of time the Spirit of Christ, which was in them, pointed to, when he predicted the sufferings of Christ, and the glories that would follow them.   1:12 To them it was revealed, that not to themselves, but to you, they ministered these things, which now have been announced to you through those who preached the Good News to you by the Holy Spirit sent out from heaven; which things angels desire to look into. Hebrews   9:14 how much more will the blood of the Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? John   14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and will remind you of all that I said to you. Galatians   4:6 And because you are children, God sent out the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!” Romans  8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his. And, in 1 Corinthians 2, it is God's own Spirit! 1 Corinthians   2:10 But to us, God revealed them through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 2:11 For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of the man, which is in him? Even so, no one knows the things of God, except God's Spirit. 2:12 But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that were freely given to us by God.  2:13 Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual things.   2:14 Now the natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 2:15 But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one. 2:16 “For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him?” But we have Christ's mind.

2bee

again you are quoting many scriptures that I am well familiar with and so are the others ,but what I am looking for is your understanding of what the word SPIRIT means and does it mean in all circumstances the same things

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,21:09)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,02:02) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,20:52) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,01:28) I have stopped religion formatting 40 years ago Were you a JW 40 years ago? No I was studying with the Armstrong ,the so called Church of God' Armstrong got a lot of things right!

edj

so are the JW, but most of it was already known by other even prior to the existence of those sects ,don't get things wrong ,many of the original funders were truthful people ,

they where like pioneers among a wicked and corrupt world

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,11:56)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,23:15) Hi Mike, I don't think 2Besee will understand your question. This is an easier way to put it…   “Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us,  and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in    subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” (Heb 12:9)      Which of these spirits is “the spirit of Christ”?            1. The Father of Spirits            2. Spirits that the Father of spirits is father of. I say the “HolySpirit” is #1, and “the spirit of Christ” is #2; what say you Mike? God bless Ed J edj what is the spirit in those verses and in your question

Hi Pierre,

I don't know what you are asking? Can you ask
it again, but this time using different words?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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