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TO ALL,
On the “Satan is NOT the God of this age” thread I demonstrated that satan is not the God who blinds the minds of men. Satan is no God at all. Paul said that it was the veil that Moses put over his face that blinded men's minds to the glory of God. He said that the “same veil remains unlifted to this day” (Paul's day). Then he said that it was God [by instrumentation of the same veil] who blinded the minds of men to the glory of Christ.
Satan had nothing to do with blinding the minds of men in Moses' day. And he had nothing to do with it in Paul's day.
Now t8 and his lil pup Mikeboll are resisting this truth tooth and nail. They're even saying that satan is in control of the world and not God and Jesus. This is satan worship for sure!
This is where you can detect their fuzzy math. In the days of His flesh when He had only a LIMITED power Jesus overcame the devil and kicked him and his demons around.
It began with the temptation of Christ in the wilderness. Satan made several attempts to bring Christ down but failed. The end result was that satan “left Him” with his tail between his legs.
Jesus had only a LIMITED power at this time.
On another occasion Jesus merely approached near to some devils and they freaked out about it. They said, “Have you come here to torment us Son of God.” They feared harm coming to them just by His presence alone! The devils had to ask permission to be cast into swine. So Jesus said, “Sure, why not.” But the devils did not figure that the swine would jump into the lake and that they would perish with the swine.
Jesus had only a LIMITED power at this time.
Then there was the occasion when Jesus cast out devils and loosed a man from satan's power. Jesus likened what He did to “plundering the strong's man's house.” Jesus robbed satan of men and of power.
Jesus had only a LIMITED power at this time.
Then through His own death Jesus destroyed him who had the power of death, that is, the devil. The word “destroyed” means “to make powerless.” Believers don't go to hades now. They go straight to be with Christ. Therefore, satan no longer posessses the power of death.
Jesus had only a LIMITED power at this time.
Okay, so Jesus did all these things having only a LIMITED power. But then He was exalted and given ALL power and authority in heaven and in earth and suddenly He has no more power over the devil. Jesus was exalted and given ALL power in heaven and in earth and satan is the one who takes control.
So Jesus had more power when He had LIMITED power than He does having ALL power because His having ALL power really means that He has NO power.
Does this fuzzy math make sense? Of course not! T8 and Mikeboll want you to just accept that
Limited power + ALL power = No power
KJ
Jack,
Don't run away from our questions in the other thread by starting a new one. Come back, stand, and defend.
JK……….Notice how they do not answer you posts but change the subjects , and even use a put down language like they would have us believe they even have an inkling of what they are talking about. When they have no answers that is there MO here , and what is even more pathetic is T8 just sit there and says nothing to them , but let them complain and we get tiles , this is a JOCK AT BEST> A novice and his ignorant Co-Hart, its no wonder this site can not advance in understanding and grow in Gods Word. IMO
I do agree with you on this issue JK, Peace and Love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 26 2012,16:09) its no wonder this site can not advance in understanding and grow in Gods Word.
Gene,I've witnessed people on this site advancing in understanding and growning in God's word all around you for over two years now.
Everyone keeps growing except for you.
Remember that when Jesus came in the flesh, he emptied himself and humbled himself to the point of death. But God's Spirit dwelt in him too.
During his time here he said:
By myself I can do nothing – Jesus Christ.Then when he died and was risen from the dead he said:
All power has been given to me – Jesus Christ.Also ask yourself. Who is greater, the giver or the receiver? Surely it is the giver.
And then understand that Joseph had power over all of Egypt, but not power over Pharaoah.
He was subject to Pharaoah in that sense and Pharoah used his own power to give authority over all things in his kingdom.Once again KJ, you accuse us of something completely irrelevant.
Now go back to the relevant questions that you have yet to answer or admit that your doctrine is a dead duck in the water.
NOTE: You can always tell the works of a desperate person when they start a campaign against the person, when they can't refute what the person is saying.
You are just embarrassing yourself further KJ. Before opening your mouth, you should think first of the repercussions. It is not wise to put your foot in your own mouth time and time again. Show fruit of the spirit KJ, not carnal thinking that leads to division.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 27 2012,09:09) JK……….Notice how they do not answer you posts but change the subjects , and even use a put down language like they would have us believe they even have an inkling of what they are talking about. When they have no answers that is there MO here , and what is even more pathetic is T8 just sit there and says nothing to them , but let them complain and we get tiles , this is a JOCK AT BEST> A novice and his ignorant Co-Hart, its no wonder this site can not advance in understanding and grow in Gods Word. IMO I do agree with you on this issue JK, Peace and Love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Gene,Yeah! Mikeboll called a lady an “idiot.” He hurled this insult at Princess. But I see no tile under his name. This is why I call him t8's “lil pup.”
On the “Go Baltimore Raven's” thread age 4, 5th post down Mike said:
Quote Princess, If she ever calls back (she said “five minutes”), then I will take my 10 year old son with me (he is playing some online game with friends right now in his room).
Nor do I give a rat's ass what YOU think of me. Nor do I know why you would think so highly of yourself to imagine that your opinion of me is so important that I would lie to you about my ex-girlfriend. Personally, I think you're an idiot and a smart ass.
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….8;st=30Last edit on January 21. If you see an edit after I post this, then Mike deleted it so you can't see it.
My tile is from Mike for allegedly misrepresenting him. Yet he calls a lady an “idiot” and father t8 does nothing about it.
KJ
Is that it, Jack? More personal attacks?
Go back to the other thread, stand, and defend.
(Btw, I got a warning from t8 about using that word. I won't do it anymore. The majority of warnings are without tiles the first time, Jack. You should know, I gave you untiled warnings before you ever got your tile. A tile, btw, that I asked t8 to remove later. You're welcome.
)JK………..I have notices that also they Mike and Pierre and Irene also could get away with insulting and ridiculing people bu never get a tile for it , I believe T8 most of the time is cordial and understanding, I am not saying Irene was that way all the time becasue she was not, and at times we all get a little testy here, Sometimes Mike will mellow out though, but i think Pierre is the worst at accusing the brethren but that could be a language problem to I hope so, i think he misunderstand what i post sometimes. But i Love everybody here even though at time you would never know it. I just wish we could all just stay on Points and not get Personal and attack each others character. Perhaps more more notices when people are crossing the line and that goes for our Monitors and their buddies also.
If we could only produce Scriptures and what we believe they are saying and leave all the other stuff out, I notice i tend to get worked up when some one starts to attack my Character, but i am trying to work on that more it's kind of hard at times, becasue i have a hard time backing away , but with help of the LORD i can control myself better. I do believe we are to have Salt in ourselves though and not just be a push over, so there is a balance to all this. IMO
peace and love to you and yours KJ…………………………………….gene
gene
Quote but i think Pierre is the worst at accusing the brethren but that could be a language problem to I hope so, i think he misunderstand what i post sometimes. But i Love everybody here even though at time you would never know it. I just wish we could all just stay on Points and not get Personal and attack each others character. Perhaps more more notices when people are crossing the line and that goes for our Monitors and their buddies also. Gene,there are no personal attacks ,the attacks are directed at the unscriptural reasoning and only after you have gone so much off the scriptures ,your refusal to answer questions this is what you like to do ,I believe purposely ,and I hope I am wrong,
for two years we have discus the the body /spirit topic you have refused to answer repeatedly too simple question like only 2 or 3 ,
and tell us in the mean time that we are out of our mind in what we saying even with scriptures on hand ,
and you complaining
Pierre
Hi Everyone,
here in an Ed J parable with scriptural referencing: (Psalms 146:9, Isaiah 24:1, Luke 16:15-17)The “Kingdom of Heaven” (on Earth) is likened unto an “hourglass” that is flipped.
“The LORD preserveth the strangers; he relieveth the fatherless and widow:
but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.” (Psalms 146:9)“Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste,
and turneth it ('the world': topic here) upside down,” (Isaiah 24:1)Note: Isaiah 24:1 is NOT talking about a Global poll-shift, but
rather compares to and augments Psalms 146:9! continuing…The kingdom of Heaven (on Earth) is likened unto an “hourglass”,
it is our place to “flip” this hourglass”, which is called Repent”;
meaning to change direction as in to “flip” the hourglass”.The parable explained: “The world” is the bottom half where all the sand has collected.
And the top (or perceived empty part) is the “Kingdom of Heaven”.
The entire hourglass is The Earth (or 'old man').Jesus is the focal point or skinny part on our hourglass.
When we understand this, we repent or flip our hourglass.Luke 16:15-17 Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts:
for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the “Kingdom of God” is preached, AND EVERY MAN PRESSETH INTO IT.
And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
We, as the “New Man”, then watch (for ourselves) as all the sand comes trickling in.He(satan is) a king(the god) over all the children of pride(of the world). (Job 41:34)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2012,18:28) Hi Everyone,
here in an Ed J parable with scriptural referencing: (Psalms 146:9, Isaiah 24:1, Luke 16:15-17)The “Kingdom of Heaven” (on Earth) is likened unto an “hourglass” that is flipped.
“The LORD preserveth the strangers; he relieveth the fatherless and widow:
but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.” (Psalms 146:9)“Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste,
and turneth it ('the world': topic here) upside down,” (Isaiah 24:1)Note: Isaiah 24:1 is NOT talking about a Global poll-shift, but
rather compares to and augments Psalms 146:9! continuing…The kingdom of Heaven (on Earth) is likened unto an “hourglass”,
it is our place to “flip” this hourglass”, which is called Repent”;
meaning to change direction as in to “flip” the hourglass”.The parable explained: “The world” is the bottom half where all the sand has collected.
And the top (or perceived empty part) is the “Kingdom of Heaven”.
The entire hourglass is The Earth (or 'old man').Jesus is the focal point or skinny part on our hourglass.
When we understand this, we repent or flip our hourglass.Luke 16:15-17 Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts:
for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the “Kingdom of God” is preached, AND EVERY MAN PRESSETH INTO IT.
And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
We, as the “New Man”, then watch (for ourselves) as all the sand comes trickling in.He(satan is) a king(the god) over all the children of pride(of the world). (Job 41:34)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi EdI don't understand? Are you re-writing the bible?
That's a funny parable you made up.
And the top (or perceived empty part) is the “Kingdom of Heaven”.
That's a strange way of explaining the Kingdom of heaven=empty?
Psalms 146:9 The Lord preserveth the strangers; he relieves the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked he turns upside down
Psalms 146:10 The Lord shall reign forever, even thy God, O Zion, unto all generations> Praise ye the Lord.
The Lord will do this at his 2nd coming. In Zion.
The ones who never knew him, he will have mercy
The ones without a Father, he will be their Father
The Widow who had no husband, he will provide for her
but the WICKED he will cut down.Regarding Isaiah 24:1
Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.Isaiah 24:2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest as with the servant, so with his master; as wit the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
Isaiah 24:3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled, for the Lord hath spoken this word.
This is talking about Babylon the great. The Land. Her system, commerce. She will be no more, when Christ returns.
Hi Wake-up,
What part of the parable did you not understand?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (journey42 @ Jan. 27 2012,20:34) Hi Ed Are you re-writing the bible?
Hi Wake-up,What do you mean?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,00:38) Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 27 2012,20:34) Hi Ed Are you re-writing the bible?
Hi Wake-up,What do you mean?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi EdI'm not wakeup.
Is that your own parable? If so, I can't see how your parable about the hour glass has anything to do with those scriptures? It's not about repenting, although we should of course, but God is telling it the way it will be.
It will be turned upside down. Everything changed. A few examples,
he that exalts himself will be abased,
the proud will be humbled,
the rich will be poor,
the poor will be rich,
the hungry will be fed,
where there is no knowledge, there will be knowledge,
where there was no hope, there will be salvation
where there was corruption, there will be justice
where there were lies, there will be truth
etc etcBabylon the great, gone. Everything changed. Turned upside down.
Isaiah 25:5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.
Isaiah 25:6 And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
Isaiah 25:11 And he shall spread forth his hands in the midst of them, as he that swimmeth spreadeth forth his hands to swim: and he shall bring down their pride together with the spoils of their hands.
Isaiah 25:12 And the fortress of the high fort of thy walls shall he bring down, lay low, and bring to the ground, even to the dust.
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 26 2012,10:41) TO ALL, On the “Satan is NOT the God of this age” thread I demonstrated that satan is not the God who blinds the minds of men. Satan is no God at all. Paul said that it was the veil that Moses put over his face that blinded men's minds to the glory of God. He said that the “same veil remains unlifted to this day” (Paul's day). Then he said that it was God [by instrumentation of the same veil] who blinded the minds of men to the glory of Christ.
Satan had nothing to do with blinding the minds of men in Moses' day. And he had nothing to do with it in Paul's day.
Now t8 and his lil pup Mikeboll are resisting this truth tooth and nail. They're even saying that satan is in control of the world and not God and Jesus. This is satan worship for sure!
This is where you can detect their fuzzy math. In the days of His flesh when He had only a LIMITED power Jesus overcame the devil and kicked him and his demons around.
It began with the temptation of Christ in the wilderness. Satan made several attempts to bring Christ down but failed. The end result was that satan “left Him” with his tail between his legs.
Jesus had only a LIMITED power at this time.
On another occasion Jesus merely approached near to some devils and they freaked out about it. They said, “Have you come here to torment us Son of God.” They feared harm coming to them just by His presence alone! The devils had to ask permission to be cast into swine. So Jesus said, “Sure, why not.” But the devils did not figure that the swine would jump into the lake and that they would perish with the swine.
Jesus had only a LIMITED power at this time.
Then there was the occasion when Jesus cast out devils and loosed a man from satan's power. Jesus likened what He did to “plundering the strong's man's house.” Jesus robbed satan of men and of power.
Jesus had only a LIMITED power at this time.
Then through His own death Jesus destroyed him who had the power of death, that is, the devil. The word “destroyed” means “to make powerless.” Believers don't go to hades now. They go straight to be with Christ. Therefore, satan no longer posessses the power of death.
Jesus had only a LIMITED power at this time.
Okay, so Jesus did all these things having only a LIMITED power. But then He was exalted and given ALL power and authority in heaven and in earth and suddenly He has no more power over the devil. Jesus was exalted and given ALL power in heaven and in earth and satan is the one who takes control.
So Jesus had more power when He had LIMITED power than He does having ALL power because His having ALL power really means that He has NO power.
Does this fuzzy math make sense? Of course not! T8 and Mikeboll want you to just accept that
Limited power + ALL power = No power
KJ
Good post.According to t8, Mike and others Jesus is not possessor and ruler of all things by having all authority and power in his own hands.
But instead to them he is still merely a puppet on a string who has no power on his own rather than the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS as the scriptures proclaim!
All things were made by him and for him and he possesses it all and by him all things consist. (Col 1:16, 17)
But they will not honor him as such, but instead give more credence to satan as “the God” of this world/age than Jesus though he says with his own lips…
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and IN EARTH. Matt 28:18
It is amazing to me how they are so quick to confess satan as the God of this world/age yet cannot call Jesus their God though they believe he is “a God”.
The truth always wins out.
Blessings WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 31 2012,14:22) But instead to them he is still merely a puppet on a string who has no power on his own…………….
We don’t call him a “puppet on a string”, Keith. But scriptures call him a servant of his God – even after he was exalted to a higher position than the one he left to become flesh.And Jesus has exactly the amount of power that his own God GAVE him – just like every other living being in existence.
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 27 2012,10:35) Yeah! Mikeboll called a lady an “idiot.” He hurled this insult at Princess. But I see no tile under his name. This is why I call him t8's “lil pup.”
This was dealt with in the usual fashion.
As far as tiles go, they are given out after repeated offending, not for one occasion.Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 27 2012,10:35) Last edit on January 21. If you see an edit after I post this, then Mike deleted it so you can't see it. My tile is from Mike for allegedly misrepresenting him. Yet he calls a lady an “idiot” and father t8 does nothing about it.
KJ
As mentioned before it was dealt with in the usual fashion.Please stop putting your foot in your mouth, you must have a real salty tongue by now.
Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Stop rushing at conclusions before you have all the facts. You are embarrassing yourself again KJ. Has anyone ever said to you, “look before you leap”, if so, they were likely trying to help you.
KJ, you don't need to jump to the conclusion that YHWH is the God of this world because Jesus is greater than all the authorities of the world combined. You just need to understand that the Kingdom of God is greater than all the kingdoms of the world. It is as simple as that.
The God of this age is Satan and that is why we should not love the world as instructed in scripture. We are in the world but not of it. If the world was OF God, then we too should be OF the world.
Some common sense is all that is needed KJ.
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