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Quote The second point is HIS because Israel is a single nation.
YHWH is HE because YHWH is a single unity.Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,18:05) Well, is Adam called the 'son of God?' Not technically from what I can recall. Maybe I missed something. Anyway, it is besides the point. I wasn't proving that Adam was or was not called the 'son of God,' I was proving that Adam the father could name his son Adam and they would both be identified as Adam with the qualities of adam.
Then there would be Adam the father and Adam the son.
His name is Yeshua not Yahweh.If you don't believe that Yeshua is the messiah then I cannot help you as you reject the only name under the sun that can save you.
And if you look at the genealogies you will see that he is called the son of God in at least one gospel. Likely because he was directly created as opposed to procreated like us.
Your view that YHWH called his son YHWH is fictional. You are writing the pages of this fiction as you go along.
As I have said before. You have no credibility and you are deceiving yourself.
Adam is not called the son of God in the genealogies check your interlinear the word 'son' is not there.
YHWH the Son is what HE is and Yeshua is what He came to be called in His incarnation.
YHWH is the name of the Father, is it not? Yeshua is not the name of the Father. The Father gave His Son His name YHWH before creation. The Father gave Him another name also 'YHWH saves' which is pronounced as Yeshua when He sent Him to come in flesh in order to save His people.
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,19:09) Quote The second point is HIS because Israel is a single nation.
YHWH is HE because YHWH is a single unity.
Technically that could work, but it completely contradicts scripture making you wrong. These prove you are wrong and as I said before they also prove that Trinitarians are wrong. I could prove you wrong hundreds of times with the simplest of ease.Here is a taster for you. You oppose these for a start.
1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God; ….1 Timothy 1:17
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.
Amen.1 Corinthians 8:5-6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.1 Corinthians 11:3
Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.1 Corinthians 3:23
and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God…Ephesians 4:6
one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.Revelation 1:1
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave himQuote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,19:17) Adam is not called the son of God in the genealogies check your interlinear the word 'son' is not there.
Okay I will check it out. It was not an important point however. It was a side note as to what I was saying.Yes son is not there. It is just 'of'. Although all the others are not said to be sons either, even though they are.
Which was [the son] of Joanna, which was [the son] of Rhesa, which was [the son] of Zorobabel, …
The point is that he was from God, but the point didn't relate anything to what we were discussing anyway.
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,19:17) The Father gave His Son His name YHWH before creation.
There you go dreaming again.When are you going to wake up.
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,19:09) Quote The second point is HIS because Israel is a single nation.
YHWH is HE because YHWH is a single unity.
So you admit that Israel is HIM because Israel is one nation.Why don't you just say it was right instead of not publicly acknowledging it and trying to enforce another point that just happened to also be wrong according to what scripture says.
Let it be a win, not for me of course, but for the truth so others can be blessed by this. Are you too proud to do that Kathi?
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,00:19) Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,19:09) Quote The second point is HIS because Israel is a single nation.
YHWH is HE because YHWH is a single unity.
Technically that could work, but it completely contradicts scripture making you wrong. These prove you are wrong and as I said before they also prove that Trinitarians are wrong. I could prove you wrong hundreds of times with the simplest of ease.Here is a taster for you. You oppose these for a start.
1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God; ….1 Timothy 1:17
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.
Amen.1 Corinthians 8:5-6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.1 Corinthians 11:3
Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.1 Corinthians 3:23
and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God…Ephesians 4:6
one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.Revelation 1:1
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him
I can pass this test, no problem.
I have told you that in some contexts 'God/the God' will be the Father, in some contexts 'God/the God' will be the Son (which proves your doctrine wrong) and in some contexts 'God/the God' will be the unity.When the scripture says 'only God' it might refer to the fullness of God/ the YHWH Echad, the eternal unity…or the Father or Son as being compared to the gods of the nations or to distinguish between the one God and one Lord of YHWH.
Thomas says to Jesus “The God of me and the Lord of me” which proves your doctrine wrong. Context shows that Thomas is talking just to Jesus, not to Jesus and the Father which would not make sense anyway since Thomas is confessing a 'new' belief.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,00:40) Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,19:09) Quote The second point is HIS because Israel is a single nation.
YHWH is HE because YHWH is a single unity.
So you admit that Israel is HIM because Israel is one nation.Why don't you just say it was right instead of not publicly acknowledging it and trying to enforce another point that just happened to also be wrong according to what scripture says.
Let it be a win, not for me of course, but for the truth so others can be blessed by this. Are you too proud to do that Kathi?
I have not said anything different but unlike you, I realize that a unity takes a singular pronoun which is my point. A nation is a unity of many members…a unity when being referred to as the unity itself takes on a singular pronoun. When the YHWH unity is being referred to it takes on a singular pronoun too.I'm not too proud to admit I'm wrong…on this point I am not wrong…a unity takes on a singular pronoun.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,00:35) Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,19:17) The Father gave His Son His name YHWH before creation.
There you go dreaming again.When are you going to wake up.
There is a second power called YHWH and the video about two powers proves it with scriptures. Did you watch it?Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,20:28) I can pass this test, no problem.
I have told you that in some contexts 'God/the God' will be the Father, in some contexts 'God/the God' will be the Son (which proves your doctrine wrong) and in some contexts 'God/the God' will be the unity.
But there are also angels, men, false gods too and your unity doesn't include them even though they are actually called elohim/theos.And even if we ignore that omission, you cannot answer this scripture for a start.
e.g., “That they may know the ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom HE has sent.
So let's take your view that you can slot in any of the 3 combinations of persons.
You see the problem is that the Father is called THE ONLY TRUE GOD and HIM. And NO amount of swapping out or changing the combination of members in your Binity changes this fact:
THAT THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
If you make it Jesus, then he is the only true God to the omission of the Father. And if you make it the Father and Son Unity that you dreamed up, then that unity has a son called Jesus Christ. Because that HIM unity sent another Jesus Christ.
So now we have 2 Jesus Christs. But scripture says that there is only 1.When you tell a lie, you need to stretch the truth more and more as time goes on. And you went beyond ridiculous some time ago. Imagine how you sound to other people now.
You are embarrassing yourself again. Who in their right mind would believe anything you say now.
You need to seek help.
Jesus was not comparing the Father to Himself but to the gods being worshiped all around Jesus in the world. Jesus was including Himself in who was to be known for eternal life.
“That they may know the ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom HE has sent.
Funny how something as clear as that can be twisted by a person with a twisted view.
A person of sound mind can see the manipulation as clear as day.
You need help Kathi. This is not a game. It is eternal life.
The first commandment will give you a huge clue. And look at it in light of this verse and you know who that God is.
Of course there are hundreds of other scriptures too.
I will answer again.
One THEOS of all who is the Father. I don't know how many times I need to repeat this, but I don't get sick of it because it is true.
This THEOS delegates his authority through Christ, angels, and men who are also BTW called theos by nature or authority, but not THE one true Most High Theos who is exclusively the Father.
If you cared to read all of scripture, you will see this is so.
And how many devils am I against? All of them.
And likewise there is one who is the Devil and under him are all the devils who are under his command. One who is the Devil and many who are devils by nature and character.See, that is how the language of the New Testament works.
When you understand that, then you will know too that there is one God the Father who delegates.
What I say is true and can easily verified by scripture.
What you say can easily be shown to be contradictory to scripture.
For US there is one God the Father.
For YOU, this is not the case.Wrong, you lose the bonus round!
1 John 5:9We accept man’s testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
“Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar” is exactly what I was conveying.
Read my post again.
My point was that if you believe in God and don't believe his testimony, (like the Jews as you said) then you don't really believe..
I didn't offer any more or any less than that, and what I said is true even to the scripture you quoted.
You are really desperate now. Trying to find fault with me.
What's next. Get some false witnesses when you have exhausted all avenues?Have another go Kathi. Maybe one day you will actually have a valid point.
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