Sword of the Spirit

[NickHassan]

Hi,
The sword of the Spirit is a vital piece of our armour.

Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

The Word is even more effective than a sword.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Being twoedged it is capable of both defense and offense.
The work of Satan is to get us to doubt
and then discard our sword.

[Not3in1]

Do you think Paul (or who ever wrote Hebrews), thought that his letters were the word of God? Do you think he was referring to the dried ink or the spirit who speaks God?

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Who knows?
He was a humble servant.
But those who came after recognised the light of Christ shining from his words and collected them.

[Not3in1]

My point was that you are taking this passage in Hebrews literally. What if Paul (or whoever) was referring to something other than the bible?

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Like what?
Jesus?
The Word is a lamp to our feet.
Jesus is the Word and the light of the World.
We are to feed on scripture till his light shines in our heart.[2Peter 1.19]

[Not3in1]

I dunno.
Look, I ask questions….I don't answer them!

Seriously though, I'm not sure. I mean, perhaps he was referring to the holy spirit of God that speaks to each one of us? But more likely he was referring to the OT because it was “written” then. Paul had no idea a book would be put together centered on his writings.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
The Spirit is never called the Word.
Yes the OT but now we should know his writings too are inspired too.

[Not3in1]

How come his (Paul) writings get to be inspired now after the fact (the OT). Why not other writings too?

The Word of God is who God is. God is holy spirit. But we've had this debate before.
“I am my word.” “My word is bond.” That sort of thing.

Well, I'm out until this evening. Have to run to the tax-man and file. Really cutting it close this year but we've been so busy.
Take care Nick.
Mandy

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
If you do not share the Spirit you may be led to believe any man is inspired.
Many do.

[NickHassan]

Hi colter,
Why not ask Peter?

2Peter3
15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

18But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

[NickHassan]

Hi colter,
So Peter was not inspired?
Jesus would disagree.

Mt16
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Paul and Peter brought no new gospel.
Jesus spoke to the Jews revealing much to them about the Law.

Peter and the apostles were given the inspired task of expounding the truth in practical terms to all.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2008,09:49)

Hi not3, If you do not share the Spirit you may be led to believe any man is inspired. Many do.

Now are you talking about the holy spirit of God, or are you talking about the sword of the Spirit?

I have God' holy spirit as a deposit guarentee that I am his. The “Sword of the Spirit” is in question whether or not it is the actual words of the book or something else.

[Not3in1]

Colter,

Your avatar is freaking me out again!

Just kidd'en ya! You didn't have to change it, but it's nice to see who you are. I tried to upload a true picture of me and my daughter once over on Kevin's site, but it didn't work. I'm just not that computer savvy.

[Not3in1]

Sorry, Colter, for the corn-fusion, I'm Mandy.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Colter @ April 10 2008,23:19)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2008,13:03) Hi colter, So Peter was not inspired? Jesus would disagree. Mt16 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.   Paul and Peter brought no new gospel. Jesus spoke to the Jews revealing much to them about the Law. Peter and the apostles were given the inspired task of expounding the truth in practical terms to all. Hi Nick, Peter was human, review his actions. The indwelling spirit revealed to the apostles that Jesus was the Son of God. The spirit is ministering to people all the time, that does not make everything they do and say “inspired”. Paul brought his own religious baggage into the rapidly evolving new gospel  about Jesus. Paul was not one of the twelve taught for three years by Christ. Peter fell somewhat under Paul's charismatic spell (entirely sincere I'm sure) but the “Kingdom of heaven” became a religious institution and the rest is Christianity. Colter

Hi colter,
So in your view all men are born blessed with the Spirit of God?

That is a new gospel.

Jesus told us we must be reborn of the Spirit and rejoiced when Peter showed that fruit. Why should that stop this vessel from being human or from manifesting sin?

All sin.

Paul left his pharisaic rubbish behind to walk in the Spirit of Christ.

Philippians 3:8
More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ,

[NickHassan]

Hi colter,
So the psalm of David, the anointed king and prophet, in context reads

” 10Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

11Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.”

Are all men anointed in the Holy Spirit of God?
No

[NickHassan]

Hi colter,
Indeed the Spirit will be poured out on all flesh.

Jl 2
22Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.

23Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.

24And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil.

25And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

26And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.

27And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.

32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

On the remnant of Israel
in the Millenial kingdom.

Ez 39
Ezekiel 39:29

29″I will not hide My face from them any longer, for I will have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel,” declares the Lord GOD.

Is 32
15Until the Spirit is poured out upon us from on high,
And the wilderness becomes a fertile field,
And the fertile field is considered as a forest.

Zech12
10″I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.

[NickHassan]

Hi colter,
Natural man needs inner cleansing.

1Peter3
20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

It is the work of the anointing Spirit
1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
2 Corinthians 7:1

We must cooperate.
2Cor7
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

[NickHassan]

Hi colter,
You say
“The will of God is abroad in the universe as the Father has sent a fragment of himself (pure spirit) to live in men and women”
Not according to Genesis2.
” 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. “

Made of soil by the breath and not the Spirit of God.
Only the second Adam became a living spirit.

1Cor 15
” 45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. “

[NickHassan]

Hi colter,
Indeed God has never been far from men.
They owe their life to Him as source.
He is the father of Adam
Acts 17

27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

That derivation makes all no less children of wrath.
And He wants a closer relationship yet.

Christ was anointed with the Spirit of God and by submission beacme one with God in will.
We must follow him into his death and resurrection rebirth of water and the Spirit.

Rom6
3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

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