Swept under the carpet

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ June 22 2013,15:09)

Terraricca, Truth its not only scripture, truth is hidden in scripture, and the ultimate truth its love, because that is what God is. It us not your place to tell each person that they have no truth and that it is “only their opinion”, because you could apply that to yourself too. Truth is more than “what you know” – even the demons believe that God is one and tremble. Obedience, love of God, and love of neighbor, and all else comes into place if you trust in God, not man,

2bee

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and the ultimate truth its love,

love of God is the ultimate truth ,why would that be

our love is not the truth ,this is true ;

Love for God in a true manner set by God as how HIS THE TRUTH .

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Truth is more than “what you know” – even the demons believe that God is one and tremble.

Jas 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

your quote does not reflect what is that James is saying ;ARE YOU TRY TO SAY THAT MY KNOWLEDGE IN SCRIPTURES IS LIMITED TO THE KNOWLEDGE “THAT THEIR IS ONLY ONE GOD IT SEEMS THAT WAY

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Obedience, love of God, and love of neighbor, and all else comes into place if you trust in God, not man,

Jn 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Mk 12:29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Mk 12:30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’
Mk 12:31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”

those scriptures also do not much up with your comment ,

1) God is ONE and it is Christ his son that said it while on earth so he CANNOT BE HIS FATHER IN ANY WAY SOME MAY THINK, it would be false thinking,

2) it is not the LOVE OF GOD ,THAT DOES IT ,you should know by now that God as already shown his LOVE TO US THROUGH HIS SON JESUS CHRIST ,

BUT IT IS THE LOVE WE HAVE FOR GOD THAT WOULD AND WILL MAKE THE DIFFERENCE ;BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT GOD WAITS FOR FROM MEN SO THAT HE COULD SAVE THEM,
AND ONLY IF WE HAVE THAT LOVE FOR GOD AND HIS TRUTH THAT WE CAN SEE THE REAL TRUTH HIDDEN IN SCRIPTURES ;BECAUSE THE REAL TRUTH IS FOR THOSE THAT LOVE GOD IN RETURN FOR WHAT HE DID FOR US ,

FEAR AND OBEDIENCE ARE FOR THE BEGINNERS ,THOSE TWO THINGS WILL DISSOLVE THEMSELVES IN TIME TO MATURITY

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What did Jesus say three times? If you love me, feed my sheep.

THIS CAN ONLY BE DONE IF THE ONES THAT BELIEVE IN GOD ALSO BELIEVE HIS WRITTEN WORDS

NOW YOU CAN TELL ME THAT I DO NOT SEE IT RIGHT OR WHAT NOT ,BUT REMEMBER IF IT IS NOT THE TRUTH IT HIS A LIE THAT SIMPLE

Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

[2besee]

What exactly is your point? You seem to just like to YELL at people. You are annoying me and I am done with you. Bye bye.

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ June 23 2013,09:47)

What exactly is your point? You seem to just like to YELL at people. You are annoying me and I am done with you. Bye bye.

2bee

Sorry I was not yelling at all
I just was making different points,and make them show more evidently by bold letters and capital ,but no yelling intend,

Don't run away ,if I have it wrong ,say so and show it to me ,

[2besee]

Terraricca, you do my head in perhaps we could save it for the another thread, okay? I do not see anything majorly wrong with what you said.

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ June 23 2013,15:35)

Terraricca, you do my head in perhaps we could save it for the another thread, okay? I do not see anything majorly wrong with what you said.

2bee

glad to hear it ,but do you see the difference between what you have said and what I said

do you understand this mean the difference that is

[mikeboll64]

Quote (2besee @ June 21 2013,20:25)

Anyway, let's move on. If you are upset at a post, click the report post button, and if nothing is done, post it here. Fair enough?

That's good for me.

peace,
mike

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ June 23 2013,15:35)

Terraricca, you do my head in perhaps we could save it for the another thread, okay? I do not see anything majorly wrong with what you said.

2bee

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perhaps we could save it for the another thread, okay?

no ,this is a good thread ;it could show all the scriptures that someone sweeps under the carpet

[Ed J]

Quote (2besee @ June 21 2013,20:14)

Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2013,16:53) Hi 2Besee, I think I should do a teaching series on the biblical meaning of why Jesus calls himself the “Alpha & Omega” – do you think the people are ready for it? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed, yes. That sounds interesting.

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[2besee]

Terraricca,

The difference in you and me is that I believe that what pre existed was the Word, also known as the Spirit of Christ, also known as the Spirit of the Son, and also known as the Holy Spirit (there is only one Spirit), which is a part of the one God – it is God's very Spirit – which came on and in the man, Jesus of Nazareth the anointed, and this was fore known that Jesus would be a perfect sinless man. This is all in scripture.

You do not really know what pre existed. You do not know if it was an Angel, or a little God, do you?

So which one is it for you?

[mikeboll64]

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The difference in you and me is that I believe that what pre existed was the Word, also known as the Spirit of Christ, also known as the Spirit of the Son, and also known as the Holy Spirit (there is only one Spirit)………….

So if there is literally only one spirit, should you also add: also known as the spirit of the antichrist?

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ June 25 2013,06:58)

Terraricca, The difference in you and me is that I believe that what pre existed was the Word, also known as the Spirit of Christ, also known as the Spirit of the Son, and also known as the Holy Spirit (there is only one Spirit), which is a part of the one God – it is God's very Spirit – which came on and in the man, Jesus of Nazareth the anointed, and this was fore known that Jesus would be a perfect sinless man. This is all in scripture. You do not really know what pre existed. You do not know if it was an Angel, or a little God, do you? So which one is it for you?

2bee

I can see you do know more of what I know and do not know than myself

so I figure you are assuming more than you really know,

but let see what scriptures says ;
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Paul says who Christ was ,his ,and became ,and if you do not believe those scriptures as they are written ,then you you most likely believe men theory rather than God's written words

looking forward to your answer

as for one spirit ; no there are two spirits 1) the spirit of the evil one

2) the spirit of God the truth ;now within the true spirit their is only one spirit ,NO EVIL CAN BE PART OF IT

[2besee]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2013,14:13)

Quote (2besee @ June 24 2013,18:58) The difference in you and me is that I believe that what pre existed was the Word, also known as the Spirit of Christ, also known as the Spirit of the Son, and also known as the Holy Spirit (there is only one Spirit)…………. So if there is literally only one spirit, should you also add:  also known as the spirit of the antichrist?

Mike,
Please read 1 Corinthians 12 and Ephesians 4 to understand what is meant by “there is only one spirit”.

I will post it here.

1 Corinthians 12
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Ephesians 4
[There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

That is the one spirit that I was talking about.

One Spirit (The Holy Spirit, also known as The Word, also known as The Spirit of the Son, also known as the Eternal Spirit, and also known as the Spirit of Christ, in various scripture)

One Lord Jesus Christ the anointed.

And one God and Father of all.

[2besee]

Terraricca,
I will get to your verse later on but for now, could you answer the question I asked.

You do not really know what pre existed. You do not know if it was an Angel, or a little God, do you?

So which one is it for you?

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ June 25 2013,07:58)

Terraricca, I will get to your verse later on but for now, could you answer the question I asked. You do not really know what pre existed. You do not know if it was an Angel, or a little God, do you? So which one is it for you?

Only Christ as preexistance this means he pre existed his live as an human,

This is what I showed you ,but did not look at it ,and keep asking me the same question ,

It looks more that you try to convince me of what you believe rather than addressing the scriptures,

This is my feeling

[2besee]

Terraricca,

“To us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, on account of whom are all things, and we by Him.

Paul used two completely different words ….. ex-ἐξ for the Father and di'-δι'for the Lord Jesus Christ…..which most versions translate as 'through' in both instances, however, if both meant the same thing then why did Paul chose to use two different Greek words.

The Father = of whom.
Jesus = on account of whom.

And that goes together with the scriptures as a whole, such as that God alone created the Heavens and the Earth (would you like those scriptures again?)

http://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/8-6.htm

The same is in 1 Col, check it out (the word di'-δι')

http://biblesuite.com/greek/1223.htm

If something does not seen right (i.e – if it does not fit in with the rest of scripture), then check it out properly.

For an example: Let me ask you: Do you believe in a God of love torturing people forever and ever? If not, why not? After all, scripture does seem to say at first glance that this is so. But we know from other scripture that something does not seem right – it does not fit. Do you agree?

…………..

Here are some examples of the same word  di'-δι' being used elsewhere in scripture, and they have chosen to translate it differently:

Matthew 6:25
Prep BIB: Διὰ τοῦτο λέγω
NAS: For this reason I say
KJV: Therefore I say unto you,
INT: Because of this I say

Matthew 9:11
Prep BIB: μαθηταῖς αὐτοῦ Διὰ τί μετὰ
NAS: to His disciples, Why is your Teacher
INT: disciples of him because of why

Matthew 9:14
Prep BIB: Ἰωάννου λέγοντες Διὰ τί ἡμεῖς
NAS: to Him, asking, Why do we and the Pharisees
INT: of John saying because of why we

Matthew 10:22
Prep BIB: ὑπὸ πάντων διὰ τὸ ὄνομά
NAS: by all because of My name,
KJV: of all [men] for my name's sake:
INT: by all on account of the name

Matthew 12:27
Prep BIB:τίνι ἐκβάλλουσιν διὰ τοῦτο αὐτοὶ
NAS: cast [them] out? For this reason
INT: whom do they cast out on account of this

Matthew 13:6
Prep BIB: ἐκαυματίσθη καὶ διὰ τὸ μὴ
NAS: they were scorched; and because they had
KJV: and because they had
INT: they were scorched and because of the

Matthew 13:21
Prep BIB: ἢ διωγμοῦ διὰ τὸν λόγον
NAS: arises because of the word,
KJV: ariseth because of the word,
INT: or persecution on account of the word

Matthew 13:52
Prep BIB: εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Διὰ τοῦτο πᾶς
NAS: And Jesus said to them, Therefore every
KJV: he unto them, Therefore every
INT: he said to them because of this every

Matthew 13:58
Prep BIB: δυνάμεις πολλὰς διὰ τὴν ἀπιστίαν
NAS: there because of their unbelief.
KJV: there because of their
INT: works of power many because the unbelief

Matthew 14:2
Prep BIB: νεκρῶν καὶ διὰ τοῦτο αἱ
NAS: from the dead, and that is why miraculous powers
KJV: and therefore mighty works
INT: dead and because of this the

Matthew 14:3
Prep BIB: φυλακῇ ἀπέθετο διὰ Ἡρῳδιάδα τὴν
NAS: him in prison because of Herodias,
KJV: for Herodias' sake, his brother
INT: prison put [him] on account of Herodias the

Matthew 14:9
Prep BIB: ὁ βασιλεὺς διὰ τοὺς ὅρκους
NAS: [it] to be given because of his oaths,
INT: the king but on account of the oaths

Matthew 15:2
Prep BIB: Διὰ τί οἱ
NAS: Why do Your disciples
  INT: because of why the

Matthew 15:3
Prep BIB: εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Διὰ τί καὶ
NAS: and said to them, Why do you yourselves
KJV: of God by your
INT: he said to them because of why also

Matthew 15:3
Prep BIB: τοῦ θεοῦ διὰ τὴν παράδοσιν
NAS: of God for the sake of your tradition?
INT: of God on account of the tradition

Matthew 15:6
Prep BIB: τοῦ θεοῦ διὰ τὴν παράδοσιν
NAS: of God for the sake of your tradition.
KJV: of none effect by your INT: of God on account of the

Matthew 17:20
Prep BIB: λέγει αὐτοῖς Διὰ τὴν ὀλιγοπιστίαν
NAS: And He said to them, because of the littleness of your faith;
KJV: unto them, because of your
INT: he said to them because of the little faith

Matthew 19:12
Prep BIB: εὐνούχισαν ἑαυτοὺς διὰ τὴν βασιλείαν
NAS: eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom
KJV: eunuchs for the kingdom
INT: made eunuchs of themselves for the sake of the kingdom

Romans 4:16
Prep BIB: Διὰ τοῦτο ἐκ
NAS: For this reason [it is] by faith,
KJV: Therefore [it is] of faith,
INT: because of this of

Romans 4:23
Prep BIB: ἐγράφη δὲ δι' αὐτὸν μόνον
NAS: Now not for his sake only
KJV: not written for his sake alone, that
INT: It was written but on account of him only

Romans 4:24
Prep BIB: ἀλλὰ καὶ δι' ἡμᾶς οἷς NAS: but for our sake also, to who
KJV: But for us also,
INT: but also on account of us to whom

Romans 4:25
Prep BIB: ὃς παρεδόθη διὰ τὰ παραπτώμα&
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NAS: was delivered over because of our transgressions,
KJV: Who was delivered for our offences,
INT: who was delievered for the trespasses

Romans 4:25
Prep BIB: καὶ ἠγέρθη διὰ τὴν δικαίωσιν
NAS: and was raised because of our justification.
KJV: was raised again for our
INT: and was raised for the justification

You can find all of the occurrences of the word here:

http://biblesuite.com/greek/strongs_1223.htm

*late edit: added some scriptural examples.

[2besee]

Quote (terraricca @ June 25 2013,15:20)

Quote (2besee @ June 25 2013,07:58) Terraricca, I will get to your verse later on but for now, could you answer the question I asked. You do not really know what pre existed. You do not know if it was an Angel, or a little God, do you? So which one is it for you? Only Christ as preexistance this means he pre existed his live as an human, This is what I showed you ,but did not look at it ,and keep asking me the same question , It looks more that you try to convince me of what you believe rather than addressing the scriptures, This is my feeling

Hi Terraricca,
You still did not answer.

You do not really know what pre existed. You do not know if it was an Angel, or a little God, do you?

So which one is it for you? (an Angel or a God)?

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ June 25 2013,11:36)

Quote (terraricca @ June 25 2013,15:20) Quote (2besee @ June 25 2013,07:58) Terraricca, I will get to your verse later on but for now, could you answer the question I asked. You do not really know what pre existed. You do not know if it was an Angel, or a little God, do you? So which one is it for you? Only Christ as preexistance this means he pre existed his live as an human, This is what I showed you ,but did not look at it ,and keep asking me the same question , It looks more that you try to convince me of what you believe rather than addressing the scriptures, This is my feeling   Hi Terraricca, You still did not answer. You do not really know what pre existed. You do not know if it was an Angel, or a little God, do you? So which one is it for you? (an Angel or a God)?

2bee

Christ ,was both, an angel and a mighty one ,what means a god

But now my questions

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ June 25 2013,11:27)

Terraricca, “To us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, on account of whom are all things, and we by Him. Paul used two completely different words ….. ex-ἐξ for the Father and di'-δι'for the Lord Jesus Christ…..which most versions translate as 'through' in both instances, however, if both meant the same thing then why did Paul chose to use two different Greek words. The Father = of whom. Jesus = on account of whom. And that goes together with the scriptures as a whole, such as that God alone created the Heavens and the Earth (would you like those scriptures again?) http://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/8-6.htm The same is in 1 Col, check it out (the word di'-δι') http://biblesuite.com/greek/1223.htm If something does not seen right (i.e – if it does not fit in with the rest of scripture), then check it out properly. For an example: Let me ask you: Do you believe in a God of love torturing people forever and ever? If not, why not? After all, scripture does seem to say at first glance that this is so. But we know from other scripture that something does not seem right – it does not fit. Do you agree?

The bible does not teach eternal torments,it teach eternal destruction ,this means you are gone ,means total destruction ,

The rest of your comment does not tell me anything just grammar ,

You do not read the bible and so you do not gain nothing ,I know and see that you are familiar with on line bible programs and religion comenteries,

But this is your way,

There are two spirits not one ,but when Paul talks he talks to believers and so what he says to them is the truth ,because for them and all true believers there is only one spirit that feed us ,

God is the only creator I never denied that ,but he did all creation through Christ says the bible,and that is what I believe,

Just as God created us through our parents ,

But what God created first was his son ,and he called him the Word,and he was an almighty after his father ,almighty is translated from the Hebrew word ,EL, god in English is it not

[2besee]

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The bible does not teach eternal torments,it teach eternal destruction ,this means you are gone ,means total destruction The rest of your comment does not tell me anything just grammar

Good. So how did you come to that conclusion? Through study? through word study?
Well to you, word study when something does not fit in with scripture seems wrong. It is not wrong. We have no excuses today as we have the Internet.

God ALONE created the Heavens and the Earth. Nobody was beside him, there was no little god there. Because THAT is what scriptures say, so rather then see a contradiction and TRY to change other scriptures to fit that contradiction, further inspection is needed. So that is what I posted.

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You do not read the bible and so you do not gain nothing

That is a lie!

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I know and see that you are familiar with on line bible programs and religion comenteries, But this is your way,

Another story which you are making up.

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God is the only creator I never denied that ,but he did all creation through Christ says the bible,and that is what I believe,

Through Christ is through his spirit, not another little god. Scripture does not say that.

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Just as God created us through our parents , But what God created first was his son ,and he called him the Word,and he was an almighty after his father ,almighty is translated from the Hebrew word ,EL, god in English is it not

That is only your opinion and the doctrines of men.

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ June 26 2013,06:40)

Quote The bible does not teach eternal torments,it teach eternal destruction ,this means you are gone ,means total destruction The rest of your comment does not tell me anything just grammar Good. So how did you come to that conclusion? Through study? through word study? Well to you, word study when something does not fit in with scripture seems wrong. It is not wrong. We have no excuses today as we have the Internet. God ALONE created the Heavens and the Earth. Nobody was beside him, there was no little god there. Because THAT is what scriptures say, so rather then see a contradiction and TRY to change other scriptures to fit that contradiction, further inspection is needed. So that is what I posted. Quote You do not read the bible and so you do not gain nothing That is a lie! Quote I know and see that you are familiar with on line bible programs and religion comenteries, But this is your way, Another story which you are making up. Quote God is the only creator I never denied that ,but he did all creation through Christ says the bible,and that is what I believe, Through Christ is through his spirit, not another little god. Scripture does not say that. Quote Just as God created us through our parents , But what God created first was his son ,and he called him the Word,and he was an almighty after his father ,almighty is translated from the Hebrew word ,EL, god in English is it not That is only your opinion and the doctrines of men.

2bee

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God ALONE created the Heavens and the Earth. Nobody was beside him, there was no little god there. Because THAT is what scriptures say, so rather then see a contradiction and TRY to change other scriptures to fit that contradiction, further inspection is needed. So that is what I posted.

for the above reason I told you this ;

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Quote You do not read the bible and so you do not gain nothing

and this is the truth ;because if we do not read the scriptures we will never know God our creator

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Through Christ is through his spirit, not another little god. Scripture does not say that.

does scriptures say it is through Jesus Christ spirit NO

but it says ;Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

read this about 20 times and think on every word and what Paul really means and say

don't ad or retract any thing

and understand that the word God means “EL” in Hebrew and that word means “almighty” but it is translated in English and other languages as “god” or God”

so ;

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the almighty, and the Word was a almighty
Jn 1:2 He was with the almighty in the beginning.
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.

SEE I HAVE CHANGED THE WORD “GOD” AND REPLACE IT WITH “ALMIGHTY” so do you understand this better

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