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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2011,06:40) Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 01 2011,21:12) So if, for instance, you “feel” that my view that all people have a right to be free has absolutely no value, then you wouldn't even consider it.
Just because you feel that something has no value doesn't mean that it has no value.
If you refuse to at least consider it, you will simply remain ignorant of available knowledge.Your illustration is the definition of a closed minded person.
Tim
If the thing that is asked to be considered does not have personal value it should not be considered, if for instance you asked me to consider the point of view that children should be eaten if they are born premature, that would have absolutely no personal value to me but would like me to even consider such a thing?Would you be “open” minded in any good way to consider such a thing?
Mohammed and the Koran have absolutely no personal value to me.
However until I considered what they had to say I could not
judge them unacceptable.You on the other hand decide that things have no personal value without even considering them to know that they have no personal value. I don't even know why you made up some ludicrous story about eating premature babies to make a non valid point about our discussion. If you were proposing such a thing I would consider it just long enough to tell you that it was preposterous and that you needed some serious psychiatric help.
That is O.K. Bod.
You go right ahead never considering anything except what you have already made up your mind about.Some day, if not already, you will discover that somewhere along the line you stopped learning anything new.
I am through discussing this subject with you. We got off on this tangent because you didn't understand something that I said to Princess, but she understood it quite well.
Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 02 2011,10:43) Quote Mohammed and the Koran have absolutely no personal value to me.
However until I considered what they had to say I could not
judge them unacceptable.That makes no sense or do you mean examine means to consider?
Quote You on the other hand decide that things have no personal value without even considering them to know that they have no personal value. You seem to be lost in semantics, you can examine something and then decide to not consider it or consider it to have value.
Quote I don't even know why you made up some ludicrous story about eating premature babies to make a non valid point about our discussion. I'm glad you have examined what I said and considered it non-valid. In doing so you have proved my point that you would never even consider eating premature babies.
Quote If you were proposing such a thing I would consider it just long enough to tell you that it was preposterous and that you needed some serious psychiatric help. You are confused about what the word consider means, if you knew what ot meant you would be saying that you would give “value” to eating babies just long enough to relate to me it is an awful thing to do. If it is that awful why would you have even considered it at all?
Quote That is O.K. Bod.
You go right ahead never considering anything except what you have already made up your mind about.As I said you don't understand the word you are using
Quote Some day, if not already, you will discover that somewhere along the line you stopped learning anything new. I'ne never considered that
Quote I am through discussing this subject with you. We got off on this tangent because you didn't understand something that I said to Princess, but she understood it quite well. You didn't understand what to be considerate or to give consideration meant.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2011,13:38) Quote If you were proposing such a thing I would consider it just long enough to tell you that it was preposterous and that you needed some serious psychiatric help. You are confused about what the word consider means, if you knew what ot meant you would be saying that you would give “value” to eating babies just long enough to relate to me it is an awful thing to do. If it is that awful why would you have even considered it at all?
con·sid·er/kənˈsidər/Verb
1. Think carefully about (something), typically before making a decision.bd,
the psalms you mention reflects on mosheh at this time. now maybe if you went to the prophets of the hebrew scriptures you would have a better arguement, however your references are not parrallel nor can be compared to the subject at hand.
ekah 2/21
young and old lie on the ground in the streets
my maidens and my young men have fallen by the sword
you have slain them in the day of your displeasure
you have slaughtered without compassiondo not think i hold your faith as the only one that does this, this is repeatative history of the world, it never stops.
all for god. all for i have it right and you have it wrong.how can religions preach peace and bring war, any insight?
Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 02 2011,22:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2011,13:38) Quote If you were proposing such a thing I would consider it just long enough to tell you that it was preposterous and that you needed some serious psychiatric help. You are confused about what the word consider means, if you knew what ot meant you would be saying that you would give “value” to eating babies just long enough to relate to me it is an awful thing to do. If it is that awful why would you have even considered it at all?
con·sid·er/kənˈsidər/Verb
1. Think carefully about (something), typically before making a decision.
Exactly! So why would I need to “think carefully “about eating babies before making a decision? It should not even be considered.Now that you have presented the definition you should understand completely my point that some things need not be considered.
Quote (princess @ Jan. 03 2011,00:56) bd, the psalms you mention reflects on mosheh at this time. now maybe if you went to the prophets of the hebrew scriptures you would have a better arguement, however your references are not parrallel nor can be compared to the subject at hand.
ekah 2/21
young and old lie on the ground in the streets
my maidens and my young men have fallen by the sword
you have slain them in the day of your displeasure
you have slaughtered without compassiondo not think i hold your faith as the only one that does this, this is repeatative history of the world, it never stops.
all for god. all for i have it right and you have it wrong.how can religions preach peace and bring war, any insight?
Peace is the outcome of Obedience and war is the outcome of disobedience and arrogance it is the same whether it is the Bible or the Quran, even Jesus says:But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Luke 19:26-28and this is the same Jesus who said:
Matthew 5:38-40 (King James Version)
38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.So what we find is Mercy is better than Vengeance and Mischief and disobedience is worse than Slaughter.
We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. and if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #45)And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #191)A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
Ecclesiastes 3:2-4Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2011,13:38) That makes no sense or do you mean examine means to consider? You seem to be lost in semantics, you can examine something and then decide to not consider it or consider it to have value.
You are confused about what the word consider means, if you knew what ot meant you would be saying that you would give “value” to eating babies just long enough to relate to me it is an awful thing to do. If it is that awful why would you have even considered it at all?
As I said you don't understand the word you are using
You didn't understand what to be considerate or to give consideration meant.
These are some of the things you said in a previous reply.
You are lost in symantics, or possibly just writing your own definitions of words in the English language.
You ask if I think examine means consider.
This from an internet dictionary.
consider
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: turn over in one's mind
Synonyms: acknowledge, allow for, assent to, chew over, cogitate, concede, consult, contemplate, deal with, deliberate, dream of, envisage, examine,Stop telling me that I do not understand English when you are just making up your own version and giving a tunnel vision meaning to a common word.
Is English your primary language?
Congratulations Bod, you suckered me in.
By making rediculous unintelligent statements you got me to comment again when I said I was through. Good work!
I need to bite my tongue and count to three before allowing myself to be goaded like that in the future.
Tim
TimothyVI,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
selah timvi,what amazement it can be to discover, places peace in ones heart.
however, i disagree giving bd any credit for you attaining a truth.
meditation of our words before speaking can be a lost art, however, i feel confident that you have just now attained this art or gift whichever you prefer.
love divine intervention.
Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 03 2011,04:33) Congratulations Bod, you suckered me in. By making rediculous unintelligent statements you got me to comment again when I said I was through. Good work!
I need to bite my tongue and count to three before allowing myself to be goaded like that in the future.
Tim
Actually, I was not trying to get you to respond I was just stating that time doesn't need to be spent on Considering or Examining what has no personal value but you seem to think that is close minded but I find it to be extremely reasonable.If a homosexual is making a pass at me should I really entertain the idea? Or should I just say no thank you and keep going forward?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2011,09:15) If a homosexual is making a pass at me should I really entertain the idea? Or should I just say no thank you and keep going forward?
Doesn't your religion demand that you drive him out of the city? (7:80-82)Do you own a car that could be put to such purpose?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 03 2011,12:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2011,09:15) If a homosexual is making a pass at me should I really entertain the idea? Or should I just say no thank you and keep going forward?
Doesn't your religion demand that you drive him out of the city? (7:80-82)Do you own a car that could be put to such purpose?
Stuart
Actually, that is incorrect. Jews were ordered to stone homosexuals, gentiles were simply oredered not to engage in the act of homosexuality.I do understand that you did not know the difference so God Bless you and may you learn
Not my problem if you want to ignore the verse I gave you.
Allah might not be that pleased with you though.
Stuart
bd,
alas my first attempt for a response went to cyber space, hopefully someone will find it and return it to me, however in searching i found something that was quite surprising, the form of writing in the koran (tuz, ayah's, fawaith/going from memory) is the same form the catholic's use.
what is more astonding as you search, that the isalmic religion is a very physical or outshowing of faith, as the catholics, well this is not limited to other faiths by any means, however comparing isalmic faith to another faith I would be confident that it is a good comparison.
the use of christian text intermingled with arabic text, with the side notes of this is what god is saying is a perfect match. wow, this truth was awesome when experienced.
traditions, customs, icons i am sure can be compared for one to take the time to do, however i do not have the time. so in all reality the isalmic faith is not far from the catholic faith.
even to go so far to say that the catholic faith derived from rome, isalmic faith derived from persia. fyi, do you know that the chinese from of writing has not changed from it original, an interesting fact to know.
i do have a question though, you know what the advent, watchtower ect are, what software program do you use to search and attain your information from?
you may declare no human sacrifice is needed to atone for sins, however the isalmic faith teaches this is not the duty of god to do, it is his servants duty to protect and serve his name. for it is gods will. amazing, just as the catholic tell their congregations, only a certain few can understand so we will tell you what god wants from you, do not try to figure it out yourselves for you are lower in status.
any thoughts on this?
Quote If a homosexual is making a pass at me should I really entertain the idea? Or should I just say no thank you and keep going forward? bd,
you always use this one with Stuart, why not try something new, BD, you see a muslim man beating his wife with a rod, do you entertian the idea of joining him, helping her or just keep going forward.let me know, you response should be quite interesting.
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 03 2011,18:04) Not my problem if you want to ignore the verse I gave you. Allah might not be that pleased with you though.
Stuart
You will never come across the idea to stone homosexuals in the Quran.Quote (princess @ Jan. 04 2011,01:51) Quote If a homosexual is making a pass at me should I really entertain the idea? Or should I just say no thank you and keep going forward? bd,
you always use this one with Stuart, why not try something new, BD, you see a muslim man beating his wife with a rod, do you entertian the idea of joining him, helping her or just keep going forward.let me know, you response should be quite interesting.
It would be a crime and a very unusual thing to see, no different then a Christian man doing the same thing.Quote (princess @ Jan. 04 2011,01:44) bd, alas my first attempt for a response went to cyber space, hopefully someone will find it and return it to me, however in searching i found something that was quite surprising, the form of writing in the koran (tuz, ayah's, fawaith/going from memory) is the same form the catholic's use.
what is more astonding as you search, that the isalmic religion is a very physical or outshowing of faith, as the catholics, well this is not limited to other faiths by any means, however comparing isalmic faith to another faith I would be confident that it is a good comparison.
the use of christian text intermingled with arabic text, with the side notes of this is what god is saying is a perfect match. wow, this truth was awesome when experienced.
traditions, customs, icons i am sure can be compared for one to take the time to do, however i do not have the time. so in all reality the isalmic faith is not far from the catholic faith.
even to go so far to say that the catholic faith derived from rome, isalmic faith derived from persia. fyi, do you know that the chinese from of writing has not changed from it original, an interesting fact to know.
i do have a question though, you know what the advent, watchtower ect are, what software program do you use to search and attain your information from?
you may declare no human sacrifice is needed to atone for sins, however the isalmic faith teaches this is not the duty of god to do, it is his servants duty to protect and serve his name. for it is gods will. amazing, just as the catholic tell their congregations, only a certain few can understand so we will tell you what god wants from you, do not try to figure it out yourselves for you are lower in status.
any thoughts on this?
Any time you want to tell me what the Islamic faith is about you will have to give me some sort of verse from the Quran, otherwise it will seem like you are simply getting this from some source that has no authority.bodhitharta,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
bd,alas, your response to my post does reveal certian qualities you lack, a comparision was being discussed with the form of writing with the koran/catholic bible, how they are similiar in form, also comparing icons, traditions, customs.
you are in the understanding how to answer a question, while still be able to state your opinion yes?
to state you in the process of learning these techquines and are not quite certian at the moment, is alright, for this to be the case then please accept my apologies.
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