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Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 27 2010,02:31) how so SF, killing of animal to killing of a human. there are many texts that read an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. i think there to be more to this law, a clause that states if the owner knew or had been warned about the animal's behavior, punishment then fell upon the owner of the animal.
now if the animal being a danger to the tribe, i could see the animal being put to death, still I cannot see why the animal could not be eaten, unless you reference that animal's can hold spirits, which if you recall, the herd swine that threw itself over the cliff due to recieving unclean spirits.
then you go into gnostics which believe in the demiurge, that can inhabit any creature, due to the fact that it created them.
then you could also reference the importance of animals with sacrifice, apparently this would even not be considered due to the animal would be considered unfit for god.
for something of such a small nature, has alot of thoughts attached to them.
Thats not what im saying at all.What im saying is more psycho-analitical. Maybe IMO, God didnt want the family to have “hate” or a “phobia” for all bulls. and that Justice serves its purpose as well to stone the bull and not the owner of the bull.
If this didnt happen, the family could have went in a rampage to kill all the guys bulls, or a number of things. maybe this is a controlled way of keeping everyone in line.
Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 28 2010,10:34) what are you referencing with the phrase 'indeed'. your being vague Stuart.
“What satan?”Indeed, what satan?
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2010,16:32) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 28 2010,07:46) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2010,18:55) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 27 2010,09:12)
Still, the scriptures have it in for poor old satan, when it was he who did god's dirty work on another occasion…Stuart
Hi Stuart,An atheist through and through.
You know which occasion I mean, don't you Ed!Stuart
Hi Stuart,No; spell it out.
Bump for StuartQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2010,18:06) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2010,16:32) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 28 2010,07:46) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2010,18:55) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 27 2010,09:12)
Still, the scriptures have it in for poor old satan, when it was he who did god's dirty work on another occasion…Stuart
Hi Stuart,An atheist through and through.
You know which occasion I mean, don't you Ed!Stuart
Hi Stuart,No; spell it out.
Bump for Stuart
Read Job 1.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 29 2010,21:26) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2010,18:06) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2010,16:32) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 28 2010,07:46) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2010,18:55) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 27 2010,09:12)
Still, the scriptures have it in for poor old satan, when it was he who did god's dirty work on another occasion…Stuart
Hi Stuart,An atheist through and through.
You know which occasion I mean, don't you Ed!Stuart
Hi Stuart,No; spell it out.
Bump for Stuart
Read Job 1.Stuart
Hi Stuart,YHVH was showcasing Job to all the “Angels” of his love and loyalty!
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Stu @ Dec. 29 2010,17:52)
please pardon my unmannerly forum posting, as of late Stuart, it has become quite crowded when posting, I have never seen such chaos magnified.being quite comfortable with assurance that you will tolerate my following babbling, for you have always been so kind in regards to this.
apologies off topic, there is always a rub Stuart, the humanrace has made their way of life with what is good and what is bad.
some go to text and believe, others like yourself await for all the data collected to decide.
you cannot go through this life without emotions, we are created to do this, we are created to do alot of things, however one of them is not to disregard what another does, for one action causes a reaction, continously.
whether it is an action or reaction that is either given or recieved we are selves are responsible.
people want to place blame or put it upon another for their peace, even though they are putting on their show, their peace is so crumbled they scratch and fight to prove that they are at peace. how can one do this?
we have come a long way Stuart with communicating, i have taken in consideration your view, however you seem not to have taken anything from me.
i am sorry for this Stuart.
Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 30 2010,05:17) Stu,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
please pardon my unmannerly forum posting, as of late Stuart, it has become quite crowded when posting, I have never seen such chaos magnified.being quite comfortable with assurance that you will tolerate my following babbling, for you have always been so kind in regards to this.
apologies off topic, there is always a rub Stuart, the humanrace has made their way of life with what is good and what is bad.
some go to text and believe, others like yourself await for all the data collected to decide.
you cannot go through this life without emotions, we are created to do this, we are created to do alot of things, however one of them is not to disregard what another does, for one action causes a reaction, continously.
whether it is an action or reaction that is either given or recieved we are selves are responsible.
people want to place blame or put it upon another for their peace, even though they are putting on their show, their peace is so crumbled they scratch and fight to prove that they are at peace. how can one do this?
we have come a long way Stuart with communicating, i have taken in consideration your view, however you seem not to have taken anything from me.
i am sorry for this Stuart.
Perhaps the points I missed were too subtle for me. Would you care to make them more obvious for my benefit?Stuart
Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 30 2010,05:17) we have come a long way Stuart with communicating, i have taken in consideration your view, however you seem not to have taken anything from me. i am sorry for this Stuart.
Hi Princess,We must be careful that we do not perceive our inability
to convert someone as their lack of consideration for
our view. Could they not say the same thing about us?Tim
*truly Timothy i do not want to convert Stuart, i would not know what to convert him too.
as always your words are kind and loving, no condemnation, hate or some other form of ill intention, you must assuredly are a blessing to have in one's life.
take care, much love to you.
Quote (TimothyVI @ Dec. 30 2010,21:24) Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 30 2010,05:17) we have come a long way Stuart with communicating, i have taken in consideration your view, however you seem not to have taken anything from me. i am sorry for this Stuart.
Hi Princess,We must be careful that we do not perceive our inability
to convert someone as their lack of consideration for
our view. Could they not say the same thing about us?Tim
Wouldn't that be true and does one need to have consideration for a view they find contemptable other than contempt for that view itself?Quote
Wouldn't that be true
and
does one need to have consideration for a view they find contemptable
other than contempt for that view itself?wouldn't what be true?
consider/contempt, i cannot understand how the two intermingle, due the root cores of the words are a negative/postitive.
however, bd i do not understand your faith.
now your last sentence somewhat is better understood.
stoning bulls over in iraq, some live or die by the sword, a faith that continues to war, saying this is my gods will and i must prove myself.
a god of fear/war, who call the christians pagans, who demands blood, sacrifice, death. who is no different then the ancient armies, like loctus devoring the innocent, sending children through the fire, who feel if ones do not believe that their god is the only god, and if you do not answer correctly, your either die/suffer/be harmed/threaten.how much more blood will be needed so to appease this god.
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the fifth sentence begins a new post, reason is explained in feedback and suggestions. apologies for the inconvenienceQuote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 31 2010,08:13) Quote (TimothyVI @ Dec. 30 2010,21:24) Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 30 2010,05:17) we have come a long way Stuart with communicating, i have taken in consideration your view, however you seem not to have taken anything from me. i am sorry for this Stuart.
Hi Princess,We must be careful that we do not perceive our inability
to convert someone as their lack of consideration for
our view. Could they not say the same thing about us?Tim
Wouldn't that be true and does one need to have consideration for a view they find contemptable other than contempt for that view itself?
You do not understand Bod.
Consideration of your view is not the same as approval of your view.Tim
edit fpr spellingQuote (princess @ Dec. 31 2010,09:42) Quote
Wouldn't that be true
and
does one need to have consideration for a view they find contemptable
other than contempt for that view itself?wouldn't what be true?
consider/contempt, i cannot understand how the two intermingle, due the root cores of the words are a negative/postitive.
however, bd i do not understand your faith.
now your last sentence somewhat is better understood.
stoning bulls over in iraq, some live or die by the sword, a faith that continues to war, saying this is my gods will and i must prove myself.
a god of fear/war, who call the christians pagans, who demands blood, sacrifice, death. who is no different then the ancient armies, like loctus devoring the innocent, sending children through the fire, who feel if ones do not believe that their god is the only god, and if you do not answer correctly, your either die/suffer/be harmed/threaten.how much more blood will be needed so to appease this god.
That's strange and has nothing to do with my faith at all, we both have the same God as all men do, but it is your understanding not mine that God enjoys and is satisfied with Human Sacrifice in-fact you claim your salvation depends upon Human Sacrifice.Quote (TimothyVI @ Dec. 31 2010,11:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 31 2010,08:13) Quote (TimothyVI @ Dec. 30 2010,21:24) Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 30 2010,05:17) we have come a long way Stuart with communicating, i have taken in consideration your view, however you seem not to have taken anything from me. i am sorry for this Stuart.
Hi Princess,We must be careful that we do not perceive our inability
to convert someone as their lack of consideration for
our view. Could they not say the same thing about us?Tim
Wouldn't that be true and does one need to have consideration for a view they find contemptable other than contempt for that view itself?
You do not understand Bod.
Consideration of your view is not the same as approval of your view.Tim
edit fpr spelling
To consider is definitly to give some credence or thought to a view so if a person feels as if a view has absolutely no value there is then nothing to consider. Blasphemy should never be considered at all not even for the sake of argument.So if, for instance, you “feel” that my view that all people have a right to be free has absolutely no value, then you wouldn't even consider it.
Just because you feel that something has no value doesn't mean that it has no value.
If you refuse to at least consider it, you will simply remain ignorant of available knowledge.Your illustration is the definition of a closed minded person.
Tim
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 01 2011,13:00) Quote (princess @ Dec. 31 2010,09:42) Quote
Wouldn't that be true
and
does one need to have consideration for a view they find contemptable
other than contempt for that view itself?wouldn't what be true?
consider/contempt, i cannot understand how the two intermingle, due the root cores of the words are a negative/postitive.
however, bd i do not understand your faith.
now your last sentence somewhat is better understood.
stoning bulls over in iraq, some live or die by the sword, a faith that continues to war, saying this is my gods will and i must prove myself.
a god of fear/war, who call the christians pagans, who demands blood, sacrifice, death. who is no different then the ancient armies, like loctus devoring the innocent, sending children through the fire, who feel if ones do not believe that their god is the only god, and if you do not answer correctly, your either die/suffer/be harmed/threaten.how much more blood will be needed so to appease this god.
That's strange and has nothing to do with my faith at all, we both have the same God as all men do, but it is your understanding not mine that God enjoys and is satisfied with Human Sacrifice in-fact you claim your salvation depends upon Human Sacrifice.
bd,you speak of what you do not know.
take notice no response was given to explain the positive/negative, the only response is of what a blood god desires.
it gives good measure to know where you heart lies. you answer for god, instead of answering with truth.
Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 01 2011,21:12) So if, for instance, you “feel” that my view that all people have a right to be free has absolutely no value, then you wouldn't even consider it.
Just because you feel that something has no value doesn't mean that it has no value.
If you refuse to at least consider it, you will simply remain ignorant of available knowledge.Your illustration is the definition of a closed minded person.
Tim
If the thing that is asked to be considered does not have personal value it should not be considered, if for instance you asked me to consider the point of view that children should be eaten if they are born premature, that would have absolutely no personal value to me but would like me to even consider such a thing?Would you be “open” minded in any good way to consider such a thing?
Quote (princess @ Jan. 02 2011,00:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 01 2011,13:00) Quote (princess @ Dec. 31 2010,09:42) Quote
Wouldn't that be true
and
does one need to have consideration for a view they find contemptable
other than contempt for that view itself?wouldn't what be true?
consider/contempt, i cannot understand how the two intermingle, due the root cores of the words are a negative/postitive.
however, bd i do not understand your faith.
now your last sentence somewhat is better understood.
stoning bulls over in iraq, some live or die by the sword, a faith that continues to war, saying this is my gods will and i must prove myself.
a god of fear/war, who call the christians pagans, who demands blood, sacrifice, death. who is no different then the ancient armies, like loctus devoring the innocent, sending children through the fire, who feel if ones do not believe that their god is the only god, and if you do not answer correctly, your either die/suffer/be harmed/threaten.how much more blood will be needed so to appease this god.
That's strange and has nothing to do with my faith at all, we both have the same God as all men do, but it is your understanding not mine that God enjoys and is satisfied with Human Sacrifice in-fact you claim your salvation depends upon Human Sacrifice.
bd,you speak of what you do not know.
take notice no response was given to explain the positive/negative, the only response is of what a blood god desires.
it gives good measure to know where you heart lies. you answer for god, instead of answering with truth.
I said what was the truth. God said he hates human sacrifice and therefore he said it never even came into his mind:Jeremiah 7:31 (English Standard Version) 31And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is inthe Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire,which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind.
Deuteronomy 12:30-31 (King James Version)
30Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
31Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
Psalm 106:37-39Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
Psalm 106:36-38
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