Spirit nature

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 14 2013,16:33)

you like doctrine that is not WRITTEN

Kerwin and I believe the doctrine that says Jehovah our God is one, and He has a Son named Jesus. I believe that is written all throughout scripture, jammin.

But how about YOUR doctrine that Jehovah our God is THREE, and Jesus is a PART OF that triune Godhead? Where exactly is that doctrine written in scripture?

Give us the verse.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 13 2013,23:25)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2013,13:32) What then, DOES the word “God” refer to when Jesus is called “the Son of God”? Does it refer to a PERSON?  A LIVING BEING?  What? Christ is the son of GOD (father)

So the word “God” refers to “the Father”?

And is “the Father” a LIVING BEING/PERSON – or a NATURE?

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 15 2013,04:33)

Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2013,05:01) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2013,08:30) really? you do understand the bible even if you cant read your imagination/doctrine in the bible. good for you. that is what you call a true gospel. a gospel that cant be read in the bible Jammin, It can be understood by those that being led by the Spirit seek to understand the language of Scripture, even when its words are in their own tongue.   It just requires a different viewpoint than is common to humanity. yah right. those people being led by the spirit of the devil. unfortunately, you are one of them. you like stories and not scriptures. you like doctrine that is not WRITTEN

Jammin,

You honor me more than I deserve as I am but a student hoping and seeking to learn the truth of the one God who is not 3 persons. The same is the God of Jesus.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 15 2013,10:06)

Quote (jammin @ May 13 2013,23:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2013,13:32) What then, DOES the word “God” refer to when Jesus is called “the Son of God”? Does it refer to a PERSON?  A LIVING BEING?  What? Christ is the son of GOD (father) So the word “God” refers to “the Father”? And is “the Father” a LIVING BEING/PERSON – or a NATURE?

the father is a person and his nature is GOD.

do you understand that?

ill give you example.
this is very basic boy

you are a person and your nature is human

do you get it?

if you still did not get it then look for a psychiatrist boy. ou need that

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2013,10:26)

Quote (jammin @ May 15 2013,04:33) Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2013,05:01) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2013,08:30) really? you do understand the bible even if you cant read your imagination/doctrine in the bible. good for you. that is what you call a true gospel. a gospel that cant be read in the bible Jammin, It can be understood by those that being led by the Spirit seek to understand the language of Scripture, even when its words are in their own tongue.   It just requires a different viewpoint than is common to humanity. yah right. those people being led by the spirit of the devil. unfortunately, you are one of them. you like stories and not scriptures. you like doctrine that is not WRITTEN Jammin, You honor me more than I deserve as I am but a student hoping and seeking to learn the truth of the one God who is not 3 persons.  The same is the God of Jesus.

kerwin,

i give you verse, you give me stories.

is that fair?

what do you think?

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 15 2013,08:37)

Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2013,10:26) Quote (jammin @ May 15 2013,04:33) Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2013,05:01) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2013,08:30) really? you do understand the bible even if you cant read your imagination/doctrine in the bible. good for you. that is what you call a true gospel. a gospel that cant be read in the bible Jammin, It can be understood by those that being led by the Spirit seek to understand the language of Scripture, even when its words are in their own tongue.   It just requires a different viewpoint than is common to humanity. yah right. those people being led by the spirit of the devil. unfortunately, you are one of them. you like stories and not scriptures. you like doctrine that is not WRITTEN Jammin, You honor me more than I deserve as I am but a student hoping and seeking to learn the truth of the one God who is not 3 persons.  The same is the God of Jesus. kerwin, i give you verse, you give me stories. is that fair? what do you think?

Jammin,

You give me a verse and then your words that show you do not understand it. When I share what I am learning you reject it out of hand; as if you are afraid it will cause you to feel insecure.

[jammin]

kerwin,
i do not reject it. i cant read your words in the bible.

the best thing you should do is read the bible and make sure that you can read your doctrine. if you cant read your doctrine, then change your belief

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 15 2013,09:15)

kerwin, i do not reject it. i cant read your words in the bible. the best thing you should do is read the bible and make sure that you can read your doctrine. if you cant read your doctrine, then change your belief

Jammin,

It is there but you do not see or hear it since it is not the teaching of the Trinity, a teaching that evolved over time.

[jammin]

kerwin,

you say that if you can read your doctrine in the bible. if not, change your belief

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 15 2013,11:04)

kerwin, you say that if you can read your doctrine in the bible. if not, change your belief

Jammin,

There is no God the Son in Scripture.
There is no God the Spirit in Scripture.
There is God the Father.

Why do you choose to believe what is not God's Word?

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (jammin @ May 13 2013,09:37)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 13 2013,01:11) Jammin…………….You believe God was “IN” Jesus you do well, becasue Jesus said He was IN” him, but you problem is your making the God who was “IN” him HIM. Now that is the Trinitarian Lie that you have been suckered into believing. Jesus is a Man he is not a GOd not Now or ever will be a GOD of any kind. For we have ONE God and one Mediator between God and Man “THE MAN” Jesus, the christ. notice it does not say the God Jesus Christ why is that jammin? God was truly “IN” him, but that does not make him the GOd that was “IN” him . IMO peace and lvoe to you and yours……………………………………………….gene what you are saying is not the whole truth thomas said to jesus, MY LORD AND MY GOD> do you believe that

Jammin……..It is the whole truth if you can come to see that God the Father was present “IN” Jesus as spirit . Just as Jesus said he was, the Father who is “IN” me “HE” does the works, and again, “believe you not that the father is “IN” me, if you do not then believe in the miracles.

Because people do not understand what spirit is, they can't understand how a spirits can literally be in and coexist with a person. God the father was literally in Jesus, and considered his body as a temple he could co-exist with Jesus “IN” , But none of that made Jesus a God himself of any kind .  

You people “confess God , but deny the power thereof” how, by not believing He can actually co-exist in our bodies with us , or don't you believe this ” know you not, that your “BODIES” are the temples of the LIVING GOD some here do not believe that , how about you boy?

Peace and love to you and yours boy………………………..gene

[jammin]

gene,

do you believe thomas said to jesus, MY LORD AND MY GOD?
yes or no?

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2013,16:20)

jammin,May wrote: kerwin, There is no God the Spirit in Scripture. There is God the Spirit.

pls read again your sentence.
maybe you need enough sleep

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 14 2013,20:36)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 15 2013,10:06) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2013,23:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2013,13:32) What then, DOES the word “God” refer to when Jesus is called “the Son of God”? Does it refer to a PERSON?  A LIVING BEING?  What? Christ is the son of GOD (father) So the word “God” refers to “the Father”? And is “the Father” a LIVING BEING/PERSON – or a NATURE? the father is a person

FANTASTIC!

So when scripture says Jesus is the Son of “God”, it is saying he is the Son of A PERSON, because “God” is A PERSON.  Very good.

And isn't it true that 99% percent of the time the word “God” is used in scripture, it is talking about A PERSON?  Of course it is.  In fact, I can't think of one time in the NT where the word “God” is NOT talking about A PERSON.

So why then do you assume the word “God” is talking about A NATURE in Phil 2:6………. instead of A PERSON like it means all the other times?

Is it because you HAVE TO assume this?  Of course it is.

But is there any scriptural precedence for assuming as much?  Of course not.

The bottom line is that the word “God” in Phil 2:6 refers to the same exact PERSON it refers to in Matthew 16:16.

So in 16:16, Peter has it revealed to him by the Father in heaven that Jesus is the Son of God.  And in Phil 2:6, Paul tells us that Jesus was existing in the form of that same God – before he was made into a human being.

And even if you prefer the word “nature” over “form” in Phil 2:6, you must acknowledge that the Greek words say he was existing in the nature OF God.  

That is the final nail in the coffin, jammin.  The word “theos” in Phil 2:6a is GENITIVE.  That means the word “OF” needs to precede it in English.

It cannot possibly mean “who being in very nature God” – as the NIV falsely interprets it, because “theos” is written in the genitive form.  Their version, were they to be true to the Greek word form, would go like this:  “who being in very nature OF God”.

See what I mean?  So even if you want “morphe” to mean “nature”, it STILL says Jesus was existing with the nature OF God.  And one can't sensibly say “God” was existing with the nature OF “God”.  For anyone to exist with the nature OF “God”, that person must first be someone OTHER THAN “God”.

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 16 2013,04:40)

gene, do you believe thomas said to jesus, MY LORD AND MY GOD? yes or no?

Jammin,

Thomas did indeed respond to Jesus' instructions to believe God resurrected him by saying “my Lord and my God”. You on the other hand choose to believe he was calling Jesus “my Lord and my God” even though it is not written.

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 16 2013,04:42)

Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2013,16:20) jammin,May wrote: kerwin, There is no God the Spirit in Scripture. There is God the Spirit. pls read again your sentence. maybe you need enough sleep

Jammin,

It is final week and I am somewhat short on sleep. I meant to write that there is God the Father in Scripture. I have now corrected my earlier post.

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,10:45)

Quote (jammin @ May 16 2013,04:40) gene, do you believe thomas said to jesus, MY LORD AND MY GOD? yes or no? Jammin, Thomas did indeed respond to Jesus' instructions to believe God resurrected him by saying “my Lord and my God”.  You on the other hand choose to believe he was calling Jesus “my Lord and my God” even though it is not written.

thomas said that to jesus.
do not put your own words to thomas'mouth.

make your own bible

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2013,10:32)

Quote (jammin @ May 14 2013,20:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 15 2013,10:06) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2013,23:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2013,13:32) What then, DOES the word “God” refer to when Jesus is called “the Son of God”? Does it refer to a PERSON?  A LIVING BEING?  What? Christ is the son of GOD (father) So the word “God” refers to “the Father”? And is “the Father” a LIVING BEING/PERSON – or a NATURE? the father is a person FANTASTIC! So when scripture says Jesus is the Son of “God”, it is saying he is the Son of A PERSON, because “God” is A PERSON.  Very good. And isn't it true that 99% percent of the time the word “God” is used in scripture, it is talking about A PERSON?  Of course it is.  In fact, I can't think of one time in the NT where the word “God” is NOT talking about A PERSON. So why then do you assume the word “God” is talking about A NATURE in Phil 2:6………. instead of A PERSON like it means all the other times? Is it because you HAVE TO assume this?  Of course it is. But is there any scriptural precedence for assuming as much?  Of course not. The bottom line is that the word “God” in Phil 2:6 refers to the same exact PERSON it refers to in Matthew 16:16. So in 16:16, Peter has it revealed to him by the Father in heaven that Jesus is the Son of God.  And in Phil 2:6, Paul tells us that Jesus was existing in the form of that same God – before he was made into a human being. And even if you prefer the word “nature” over “form” in Phil 2:6, you must acknowledge that the Greek words say he was existing in the nature OF God.   That is the final nail in the coffin, jammin.  The word “theos” in Phil 2:6a is GENITIVE.  That means the word “OF” needs to precede it in English. It cannot possibly mean “who being in very nature God” – as the NIV falsely interprets it, because “theos” is written in the genitive form.  Their version, were they to be true to the Greek word form, would go like this:  “who being in very nature OF God”. See what I mean?  So even if you want “morphe” to mean “nature”, it STILL says Jesus was existing with the nature OF God.  And one can't sensibly say “God” was existing with the nature OF “God”.  For anyone to exist with the nature OF “God”, that person must first be someone OTHER THAN “God”.

you cut my post boy.

here is my post

GOD the father is a person

the son is like his father. the son is also GOD just like his father.

are you a son of man?
if yes, are not you a man?
yes or no?

you should my answer my question. this is the 4th time im asking you about this question.

[jammin]

mike,

you dot know greek.
make your own bible.

NIV says nature GOD and there is nothing wrong with because that is the nature of the son.
that is the nature of his father/ they are both GOD>

just like you and your father. you are both HUMAN.
do you understand that?
that is your nature, HUMAN.

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 16 2013,13:10)

Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,10:45) Quote (jammin @ May 16 2013,04:40) gene, do you believe thomas said to jesus, MY LORD AND MY GOD? yes or no? Jammin, Thomas did indeed respond to Jesus' instructions to believe God resurrected him by saying “my Lord and my God”.  You on the other hand choose to believe he was calling Jesus “my Lord and my God” even though it is not written. thomas said that to jesus. do not put your own words to thomas'mouth. make your own bible

Jammin,

The evil one is stealing the words ” answered and” from your mind. “answered” tells us Thomas is addressing Jesus' words with his response.

John 20:28
King James Version (KJV)

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

What does the words “and Mike answered Jammin, and said my Lord and my God” mean if Jammin asked him who Jehovah is?

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