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Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 12 2009,21:34) Hi BD,
You claim to be able to read the mind of Jesus without even sharing his Holy Spirit?
You have no clues really and rely on instinct and presumption.
You like insulting me but don't care to know the truth.Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,03:34) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2009,17:48) Hi BD,
Did you lose the thread?
That generation has long since passed and nothing occured, you tell everyone here to stick to what's written and now you won't stick to what's written if you don't have an explanation it would be more honest and God fearing to simply say Yyou don't know.That generation has long sinced passed away. Jesus thought he would return in his own generation.
Thinker claim that Jesus returned in AD 70 but that would make no sense because if that was true he would have had to do it secretly because no one has written about Jesus coming in the clouds with the Holy Angels and Judging each man according to his works. I think somebody would have seen something and the world wouldn't quite be like this now would it?
IMO Jesus returned just the way he said he would. You must be recreated spiritually in your mind to understand (see) that the Kingdom of God came with Jesus. Jesus did return and established the Kingdom now within all spirit believers. Luke 17:20—The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:v21—Neither shall they say Lo here or lo there! for, behold the kingdom of God is within you. Thats what Jesus taught. If you are looking for a physical manifestation of the Kingdom of God it isn't going to happen. We must be born of spirit. The words of God are Spirit. Jesus brought the Spirit words of God to earth in the Truth. If we consume or partake of the words of God we are born of Spirit and the Truth is in us. You are what you eat! Jesus was the manifestation of the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom is reference to the ruling of God in the earth (eathen vessels, physical bodies, mankind). Actually love cannot rule for love accepts and expresses itself by forgiving, accepting,fairness, integrity, gentlenes etc.! Jesus actually returned just as he said he would in their generation both spiritually and physically. He came back and forth to the earth realm and manifested himself physically to many at that time and it was better that he leave physically so that spiritually he(the word of God) dwells in each believing and accepting human being. Actually God, Jesus and the whole spirit have made their abode (home) inside each believer.We are the Kings of our own Kingdom of God. We are Priests of our own Temple of God. We are the Church which is his body. Jesus is as close as your breath as is God the father and the spirit. Jesus fulfilled all. He finished Gods work. The work for God is over, now we enter their rest by faith.Why is it so hard to picture Jesus returning in the clouds/in spirit, as the trump of God with his holy Angels/words or messengers judging each man by his works of faith or laboring to please God. He plainly said the world will not be able to see, but his desciples would see. All will see that see with spiritual eyes of understanding. Peace to all, TKQuote (Tim Kraft @ July 12 2009,22:29) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2009,03:34) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2009,17:48) Hi BD,
Did you lose the thread?
That generation has long since passed and nothing occured, you tell everyone here to stick to what's written and now you won't stick to what's written if you don't have an explanation it would be more honest and God fearing to simply say Yyou don't know.That generation has long sinced passed away. Jesus thought he would return in his own generation.
Thinker claim that Jesus returned in AD 70 but that would make no sense because if that was true he would have had to do it secretly because no one has written about Jesus coming in the clouds with the Holy Angels and Judging each man according to his works. I think somebody would have seen something and the world wouldn't quite be like this now would it?
IMO Jesus returned just the way he said he would. You must be recreated spiritually in your mind to understand (see) that the Kingdom of God came with Jesus. Jesus did return and established the Kingdom now within all spirit believers. Luke 17:20—The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:v21—Neither shall they say Lo here or lo there! for, behold the kingdom of God is within you. Thats what Jesus taught. If you are looking for a physical manifestation of the Kingdom of God it isn't going to happen. We must be born of spirit. The words of God are Spirit. Jesus brought the Spirit words of God to earth in the Truth. If we consume or partake of the words of God we are born of Spirit and the Truth is in us. You are what you eat! Jesus was the manifestation of the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom is reference to the ruling of God in the earth (eathen vessels, physical bodies, mankind). Actually love cannot rule for love accepts and expresses itself by forgiving, accepting,fairness, integrity, gentlenes etc.! Jesus actually returned just as he said he would in their generation both spiritually and physically. He came back and forth to the earth realm and manifested himself physically to many at that time and it was better that he leave physically so that spiritually he(the word of God) dwells in each believing and accepting human being. Actually God, Jesus and the whole spirit have made their abode (home) inside each believer.We are the Kings of our own Kingdom of God. We are Priests of our own Temple of God. We are the Church which is his body. Jesus is as close as your breath as is God the father and the spirit. Jesus fulfilled all. He finished Gods work. The work for God is over, now we enter their rest by faith.Why is it so hard to picture Jesus returning in the clouds/in spirit, as the trump of God with his holy Angels/words or messengers judging each man by his works of faith or laboring to please God. He plainly said the world will not be able to see, but his desciples would see. All will see that see with spiritual eyes of understanding. Peace to all, TK
The Kingdom of God certainly is within, however that was not the point we were discussing a prophecy that did not occur. The work of Jesus was to glorify God on earth and he did just that. Regarding the prophecy that did not happen you have not read the signs and your answer is mystical which is okay with me as long as you realize that the prophecy was actual.Is sin and death still present? Tim, it is okay to be a mystic but it is better to be an honest mystic.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,06:48) Hi BD,
Who appointed you to judge the Spirit of God?
I didn't!Hi BD,
Really?
Then why do you attack the Spirit of God's work's done in Jesus and the apostles?
Do you know another god and have no fear of our God?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,06:57) Hi BD,
Really?
Then why do you attack the Spirit of God's work's done in Jesus and the apostles?
Do you know another god and have no fear of our God?
I have not attacked anything, I have shown the scriptures if they offend you then you are being a hypocrite pretending to study them honestly. God did not tell Jesus when the time of the hour will be.Didn't you read where Jesus said “He didn't know” if he didn't know then the Spirit of God didn't reveal it to him, right?
I asked you before do you think Paul used deception under the power of the Spirit or was it as he said “The sin in him”?
You don't study the scriptures with a pure heart, you are like the pharisees who decided their own way instead of the way of God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,07:25) Hi BD,
You offer you heart as pure while you attack the works of God?
You just don't want to see the truth, thee is no attack.Why do you attack what WJ and TT teach? Why do you doubt what Tim Kraft says? Why are you trying to guide the thoughts of JN?
They are all loving God as much as you or I but you are trying to get them to see the truth for better results and so I am doing the same to you. Judge not less ye be Judged.
Hi BD,
We know where truth is to be found and it is not in your false documents.The words we cherish are life and light and truth.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,22:00) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 12 2009,21:34) Hi BD,
You claim to be able to read the mind of Jesus without even sharing his Holy Spirit?
You have no clues really and rely on instinct and presumption.
You like insulting me but don't care to know the truth.
Hi BD,
So how do you claim to know the thoughts of the Son of God??Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,11:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,22:00) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 12 2009,21:34) Hi BD,
You claim to be able to read the mind of Jesus without even sharing his Holy Spirit?
You have no clues really and rely on instinct and presumption.
You like insulting me but don't care to know the truth.
Hi BD,
So how do you claim to know the thoughts of the Son of God??
I only quote the scriptures you have accused others of inference but you are in-fact guilty of inference yourself.I give you the scriptures you reject them according to you rinference. You are like thinker who wants to be right so bad he confessed to not “knowing” if God is eternal saying it is inferred, how ignorant.
He took the word elom and took it out of the context of God who when He says as far as he can see literally means without end and applies it to humans which would mean literally as far as they can see which is not that far into the future. He has judged ignorantly.
Hi BD,
You told us WHAT JESUS THOUGHT.You are either a mindreader or deceived.
Which is it and can you be sure of your insights without the Spirit?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,12:39) Hi BD,
You told us WHAT JESUS THOUGHT.You are either a mindreader or deceived.
Which is it and can you be sure of your insights without the Spirit?
You are so silly
What do you know about the spirit have you ever experienced the Spirit, NO! Not many people do
Hi BD,
So tell us how reading scripture tells us the thoughts of Jesus?
They are not written are they?
What spirit do you have?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,13:33) Hi BD,
So tell us how reading scripture tells us the thoughts of Jesus?
They are not written are they?
What spirit do you have?
The Spirit of God is what I have. I have not tried to read the thoughts of Jesus and I do not need to.Hi BD,
That isn't true or you would not judge Jesus or Paul.
So what spirit do you have that reads minds as you claimed you could?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,14:17) Hi BD,
That isn't true or you would not judge Jesus or Paul.
So what spirit do you have that reads minds as you claimed you could?
The scriptures are there judge for yourself but keep in mind you don't judge me you judge the scriptures that you read yourself. I speak nothing of myself.
Hi Bd,
No judgement from us though the scriptures do judge your situation.
Outside the kingdom, refusing to enter and trying to trip those who do.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2009,18:29) Hi Bd,
No judgement from us though the scriptures do judge your situation.
Outside the kingdom, refusing to enter and trying to trip those who do.
No tripping at all.I said that Jesus was not crucified or killed if that is true that would mean that Jesus could in fact say that some standing here will not taste death till all these things are fulfilled and be correct being that God raised him Alive never having “TASTED DEATH”
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