Smart scientists who believed in God.

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Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 22 2011,07:52)

T8,

Your ability to miss the point is legendary.

Ed,

Never mind.

As I recall, we have done this dance a few times before, and it never ends up being productive.

Hi WIT,

Please do continue, it may benefit other readers.
Though the theme has been the same, our subject matter has been different each and every time.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 21, 2011 at 10:41 pm#262917

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 22 2011,02:33)

I don't think there is any dispute that Paul teaches men not to observe the law which is exactly what Jesus taught against in Matthew 5:19. Repentance has nothing to do with it.[/quote]
The Apostle Paul(Shaool) was NOT teaching them to break God's commandments,
he was telling them that the statutes were done away with in Christ, Jesus.
Do understand what that this means, or should I explain it to you?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

So the statutes were done away with.

Didn't Jesus say ” For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”

And in Luke 16:17 it was said ” For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”

The law was the word of God in the times of Isaiah, and Isaiah said ” The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever.”
Is forever just until Ed decides something cancels it?

I guess that Jesus and Isaiah didn't know what they were talking about.

Tim

November 21, 2011 at 10:54 pm#262919

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When a plane flies, the law of gravity is not done away completely, rather it is just superseded by aerodynamics.
Grace supersedes the law but doesn't do away with it completely.

The law will not be needed when there is no sin to invoke the law.

November 22, 2011 at 10:50 am#264908

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Quote (t8 @ Nov. 22 2011,08:54)

When a plane flies, the law of gravity is not done away completely, rather it is just superseded by aerodynamics.
Grace supersedes the law but doesn't do away with it completely.

The law will not be needed when there is no sin to invoke the law.

Is there no sin now?
If there is still sin, should the law be superseded?
How is it grace to supercede a law for only a few?

Tim

November 22, 2011 at 6:39 pm#264937

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Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 22 2011,08:41)

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 22 2011,02:10)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 22 2011,02:33)

I don't think there is any dispute that Paul teaches men not to observe the law which is exactly what Jesus taught against in Matthew 5:19. Repentance has nothing to do with it.

The Apostle Paul(Shaool) was NOT teaching them to break God's commandments,
he was telling them that the statutes were done away with in Christ, Jesus.
Do understand what that this means, or should I explain it to you?

God bless
Ed J

(1)So the statutes were done away with.

I guess that Jesus and Isaiah didn't know what they were talking about.

Tim

Hi Tim,

Statutes are not laws, I figured you didn't know the difference.

No, more like you don't know what you're talking about.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 22, 2011 at 8:51 pm#264944

terraricca

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Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 23 2011,03:50)

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 22 2011,08:54)

When a plane flies, the law of gravity is not done away completely, rather it is just superseded by aerodynamics.
Grace supersedes the law but doesn't do away with it completely.

The law will not be needed when there is no sin to invoke the law.

Is there no sin now?
If there is still sin, should the law be superseded?
How is it grace to supercede a law for only a few?

Tim

tim

if you sin ,because you are sinning you are putting your self under the law and so be judged by that law,

but if you stop sinning and commit your self to the grace of God this would mean that you now have changed and no longer practice sin,for that reason all your prior sins are wiped off and so you have now no sin and sins you do not sin any longer you have placed your self out from the law and live a righteous live in the eyes of God ,

Pierre

November 23, 2011 at 12:02 am#264967

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Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 22 2011,20:50)

Is there no sin now?
If there is still sin, should the law be superseded?
How is it grace to supercede a law for only a few?

Tim

Yes there is sin just as there is the law of gravity.
If there is still gravity, should that be superseded with aerodynamics? Yes if you choose to invoke areodynamics.
Grace supersedes law for those who accept God's grace. His grace has allowed for our salvation. It is a gift, but like all gifts, you have to receive it. God doesn't force you to accept his salvation. God respects our free will because true love can only exist where there is a choice to love or not.

November 23, 2011 at 3:07 am#264983

princess

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 23 2011,04:39)

Hi Tim,

Statutes are not laws, I figured you didn't know the difference.

No, more like you don't know what you're talking about.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

stat·ute
noun
1. Law .
a. an enactment made by a legislature and expressed in a formal document.

b. the document in which such an enactment is expressed.

2. International Law . an instrument annexed or subsidiary to an international agreement, as a treaty.

3. a permanent rule established by an organization, corporation, etc., to govern its internal affairs.

November 23, 2011 at 7:31 am#264991

Stu

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Quote (t8 @ Nov. 22 2011,08:54)

When a plane flies, the law of gravity is not done away completely, rather it is just superseded by aerodynamics.
Grace supersedes the law but doesn't do away with it completely.

The law will not be needed when there is no sin to invoke the law.

How does aerodynamics supersede gravity? It depends on gravity.

Stuart

November 23, 2011 at 7:37 am#264992

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Quote (Stu @ Nov. 23 2011,17:31)

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 22 2011,08:54)

When a plane flies, the law of gravity is not done away completely, rather it is just superseded by aerodynamics.
Grace supersedes the law but doesn't do away with it completely.

The law will not be needed when there is no sin to invoke the law.

How does aerodynamics supersede gravity? It depends on gravity.

Stuart

I will make it clearer.

Gravity should force a metal body weighing tons from the sky toward the Earth's surface. But aerodynamics can allow it to fly instead, even travel higher. Supersede doesn't necessarily mean negate. I made the point earlier that gravity is still there doing its thing.

Similarly, the Law of God is still there too, even if we are under the grace of God.

November 23, 2011 at 7:40 am#264993

Stu

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Quote (t8 @ Nov. 23 2011,10:02)

God doesn't force you to accept his salvation. God respects our free will because true love can only exist where there is a choice to love or not.

Romans 13:1-2

Stuart

November 23, 2011 at 7:50 am#264994

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The fact that you can rebel is proof enough.
Nice to know the consequences though.

However, you are free to not believe and not believe the consequences.

It is called free will. With it you can face the truth, or live in your own dreamland temporarily.

November 23, 2011 at 12:02 pm#265001

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 23 2011,04:39)

Statutes are not laws, I figured you didn't know the difference.

No, more like you don't know what you're talking about.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

There you go again, arguing semantics.
Whenever you have nothing of value to contribute, you nit pick a word that has no bearing on the subject.

All statutes are law. The statutes in the old testament are secondary laws that go further and expand upon the commandments.

Tim

November 23, 2011 at 12:52 pm#265008

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Quote (princess @ Nov. 23 2011,13:07)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 23 2011,04:39)

Hi Tim,

Statutes are not laws, I figured you didn't know the difference.

No, more like you don't know what you're talking about.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

stat·ute
noun
1. Law .
a. an enactment made by a legislature and expressed in a formal document.

b. the document in which such an enactment is expressed.

2. International Law . an instrument annexed or subsidiary to an international agreement, as a treaty.

3. a permanent rule established by an organization, corporation, etc., to govern its internal affairs.

Thank you dear princess for contributing to the education
of our friend Ed.

You know of course that he is going to come back and tell us all about how statutes are all about the ceremonial laws and only applied to the Jews to begin with don't you?

Tim

November 23, 2011 at 4:12 pm#265016

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Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 23 2011,22:02)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 23 2011,04:39)

Statutes are not laws, I figured you didn't know the difference.

No, more like you don't know what you're talking about.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

There you go again, arguing semantics.
Whenever you have nothing of value to contribute, you nit pick a word that has no bearing on the subject.

All statutes are law. The statutes in the old testament are secondary laws that go further and expand upon the commandments.

Tim

Hi Tim,

The difference in semantics is the difference between understanding truth from error.
You must understand the Apostle Paul's usage of the word “laws” as it pertains to the context of the subject.
SORRY for the confusion, I meant the difference between commandments(God's laws) and statutes(laws which represented Jesus).

Were the 10 commandments done away with? Of course NOT!

Deut.6:1-2 Now these are the “commandments”, the “statutes”, and the “judgments”,
which the LORD(YHVH) your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them
in the land whither ye go to possess it: That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God,
to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and
thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.

In the mount of transfiguration we find three people who illustrate these three.

Moses: The Commandments; “TEN” Old, “TWO” New.
Elijah: The Judgments; rewards and punishments.
Jesus: The Statues; Jesus fulfilled the statues
(contained in ordinances), and done away with them.

Eph.2:15: Having abolished in his flesh the enmity,
even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 23, 2011 at 4:15 pm#265017

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Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 23 2011,22:02)

you have nothing of value to contribute

Hi Tim,

'Don't bother me with the facts, because I already have my mind made up.' ~ the atheists credo

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 23, 2011 at 5:08 pm#265024

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2011,02:15)

Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 23 2011,22:02)

you have nothing of value to contribute

Hi Tim,

'Don't bother me with the facts, because I already have my mind made up.' ~ the atheists credo

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

At least quote the entire sentence Ed.
Your tendency to quote mine could have something to do with your difficulty understanding what is being said.

Using your technique of conveniently ommiting part of the sentence I could accurately quote Ed as having said,
“Don't bother me with the facts, because I already have my mind made up.”

Of course, even if that is how you behave, that is not what you said.

Tim

November 23, 2011 at 5:13 pm#265025

Participant

I apologize Ed.
I think that I got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
Been in a bad mood all day, I shouldn't take that out on you.

I am quiet now.

Tim

November 23, 2011 at 5:23 pm#265027