Smart scientists who believed in God.

[terraricca]

Quote (charity @ Nov. 18 2011,02:00)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 17 2011,08:09) Quote (charity @ Nov. 17 2011,04:30) do you think Mose's felt guilty when he stopped to think about abraham's promise, relies as many as the stars in the heavens, wow what stands out a mile ..is  Moses blamed the solder's for killing there brother's on his command.. He brakes the 6th commandment an goeth on to dish up loads of death sentences for sin…sin on the brain! Jesus killing was a breach of the sixth commandment, an active of sacrifice. charity you are mixing many different things in one pot and and then ask what it could be ? I don't know ,but this is not how God is working ,the word of God is directed toward the salvation of men (humans)so it as to be understood in that way, but many do not like the way God save men and so find it ,not to their tast or at their satifaction ,so I say what is it that God own to anyone that he as to repay ? Pierre oh its a big Pot sir, precept upon precept, you cant start half way threw an expect to understand what has been an how it came to this…

Charity

actualy it is an small pot ,it is only big in the eyes of those who do not know what they looking for ,

Pierre

[942767]

Any scientist that believes in God is a smart scientist, and any one scientist or not is not very smart.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Stu]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 18 2011,11:33)

Any scientist that believes in God is a smart scientist, and any one scientist or not is not very smart. Love in Christ, Marty

No true Scotsman…

Stuart

[TimothyVI]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 18 2011,02:32)

Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 18 2011,04:07) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 17 2011,08:20) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 17 2011,12:21) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2011,02:17) What is it that belong to you to us that his so rightfully ours Pierre Hi T, If you feel that nothing that you have worked for is rightfully your own, then I can't answer your question. Am I to assume that if a group of thugs came into your house and took everything that you had, you would be perfectly content since nothing is rightfully yours to begin with. Tim thimIV can show me anything that you possessed when you came in this world ? and tell me how many things you will take with you when you leave ?? anything you have handled in between that time did not really belong to you ,this is only you believing that they do. and so you have not come to know what is it that really belongs to you no matter what Pierre Hi T, You had nothing when you came into this world and you will have nothing when you leave, so you deserve nothing while you are here. Is that your logic? What belongs to me is what is in my possession while I am here. You have no right to take it. Tim Tim that is what the men on WALL street in NY said as well ,and see what happen(economy) Pierre

Now you are just making stuff up T.
Show me one quote where any men on Wall St said that.
In fact the problem is that they thought the exact opposite.
They thought that what belonged to other people should be theirs also.

I must admit, it may be nice to be as irresponsible as you sound about protecting your assets.
You don't need to waste money on insurance against damage or loss, because nothing belongs to you anyway.
There is no need for you to ever bother the police if something is stolen from you , because it wasn't yours to begin with.

I think that people who live in a nice warm home, with a nice bed, a computer and other luxuries, who spout this garbage about nothing belongs to them while they are on this earth are either hypocrites, and an insult to people who truly have nothing, or merely regurgitating something that they heard in church.

When you die it can go back to God, While you are here you are expected to treat it as if it were yours. Because while you are here, it is.

Just my opinion.

Tim

[terraricca]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 19 2011,04:19)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 18 2011,02:32) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 18 2011,04:07) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 17 2011,08:20) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 17 2011,12:21) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2011,02:17) What is it that belong to you to us that his so rightfully ours Pierre Hi T, If you feel that nothing that you have worked for is rightfully your own, then I can't answer your question. Am I to assume that if a group of thugs came into your house and took everything that you had, you would be perfectly content since nothing is rightfully yours to begin with. Tim thimIV can show me anything that you possessed when you came in this world ? and tell me how many things you will take with you when you leave ?? anything you have handled in between that time did not really belong to you ,this is only you believing that they do. and so you have not come to know what is it that really belongs to you no matter what Pierre Hi T, You had nothing when you came into this world and you will have nothing when you leave, so you deserve nothing while you are here. Is that your logic? What belongs to me is what is in my possession while I am here. You have no right to take it. Tim Tim that is what the men on WALL street in NY said as well ,and see what happen(economy) Pierre Now you are just making stuff up T. Show me one quote where any men on Wall St said that. In fact the problem is that they thought the exact opposite. They thought that what belonged to other people should be theirs also. I must admit, it may be nice to be as irresponsible as you sound about protecting your assets. You don't need to waste money on insurance against damage or loss, because nothing belongs to you anyway. There is no need for you to ever bother the police if something is stolen from you , because it wasn't yours to begin with. I think that people who live in a nice warm home, with a nice bed, a computer and other luxuries, who spout this garbage about nothing belongs to them while they are on this earth are either hypocrites, and an insult to people who truly have nothing, or merely regurgitating something that they heard in church. When you die it can go back to God, While you are here you are expected to treat it as if it were yours. Because while you are here, it is. Just my opinion. Tim

TimothyVI

so my question still not answered ??

and so you have not come to know what is it that really belongs to you no matter what ?

but you are well versed in the material world and so behave like a man of the this world ,in this way you are right ,those are your possessions for the time of your life,

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 17 2011,21:02)

Hi Ed, And since God failed at his plan, his only option was to have the Hebrews go in and murder everyone there. Is that how it happened? Tim

Hi Tim,

Did you never read in Genesis, it because of Adam's disobedience that he had to work.
It was because the Hebrews didn't listen to God that they had to do the work themselves.
Perhaps you were never told the truth about YHVH, and how YHVH operates; huh, TimothyVI?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 18 2011,02:01)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 17 2011,14:35) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 17 2011,02:37) Hey Ed, Can God “decide” that rape is good? Just curious. Hi WIT, God has told us that rape is wrong, perhaps you were not aware of this? (Deut.22:25-26) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org That wasn't the question Ed.  You presumably believe that God determines what is right and wrong, and it's completely up to him.  So my question is: Can God decide that rape is good? I am not asking what he did.  I am asking what he can do. Is God able to make a law that declares rape good?  Or is he limited by some objective standard? Think about it.

Hi WIT,

He hath shown thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee,
but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?  (Micah 6:8)
God has shown us what is Good. Why don't you listen to him; “What is True”?
The standard is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[TimothyVI]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 19 2011,04:46)

Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 17 2011,21:02) Hi Ed, And since God failed at his plan, his only option was to have the Hebrews go in and murder everyone there. Is that how it happened? Tim Hi Tim, Did you never read in Genesis, it because of Adam's disobedience that he had to work. It was because the Hebrews didn't listen to God that they had to do the work themselves. Perhaps you were never told the truth about YHVH, and how YHVH operates; huh, TimothyVI? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I understand now Ed.
God doesn't know what is going to happen, so he said he would do one thing and then had to change his mind because he did not know that the Hebrews would not listen to him.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Tim

[terraricca]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 19 2011,14:21)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 19 2011,04:46) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 17 2011,21:02) Hi Ed, And since God failed at his plan, his only option was to have the Hebrews go in and murder everyone there. Is that how it happened? Tim Hi Tim, Did you never read in Genesis, it because of Adam's disobedience that he had to work. It was because the Hebrews didn't listen to God that they had to do the work themselves. Perhaps you were never told the truth about YHVH, and how YHVH operates; huh, TimothyVI? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org I understand now Ed. God doesn't know what is going to happen, so he said he would do one thing and then had to change his mind because he did not know that the Hebrews would not listen to him. Thanks for clearing that up. Tim

frank

is not beautifull to have freewill ,I mean the freedom to chose if we want to obey Gods will or not ??

this is more than some country's give to their own people and yet the rulers are also men who probably are more corrupt than the people they rule over,and the laws they make are for their own benefit

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 19 2011,07:21)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 19 2011,04:46) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 17 2011,21:02) Hi Ed, And since God failed at his plan, his only option was to have the Hebrews go in and murder everyone there. Is that how it happened? Tim Hi Tim, Did you never read in Genesis, it because of Adam's disobedience that he had to work. It was because the Hebrews didn't listen to God that they had to do the work themselves. Perhaps you were never told the truth about YHVH, and how YHVH operates; huh, TimothyVI? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org I understand now Ed. God doesn't know what is going to happen, so he said he would do one thing and then had to change his mind because he did not know that the Hebrews would not listen to him. Thanks for clearing that up. Tim

Hi Tim,

No problem.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[WhatIsTrue]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 18 2011,23:52)

Hi WIT, He hath shown thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?  (Micah 6:8) God has shown us what is Good. Why don't you listen to him; “What is True”? The standard is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Let me cut to the chase.

Is there something known as Truth that is above God, or can God declare anything that he wants to be true?

If the former is true, then God is subject to Truth, not the author of it.  If the latter is true, then there is no Truth, (i.e. “truth” is subject to God's whims).

By the way, according to the bible, it's the latter.  That which was true for Moses was not true for Jesus, (Deuteronomy 24:1-4 vs Matthew 5:31-32), and that which was true for Jesus was not true for Paul, (Matthew 5:19 vs Galations 3:11).  “Truth” changes quite a bit throughout the bible.

[terraricca]

wit

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By the way, according to the bible, it's the latter. That which was true for Moses was not true for Jesus, (Deuteronomy 24:1-4 vs Matthew 5:31-32), and that which was true for Jesus was not true for Paul, (Matthew 5:19 vs Galations 3:11). “Truth” changes quite a bit throughout the bible.

the truth was always the same but Moses recieved permission to give slack to the hardness of the people heart .this when Christ came was now over no more slack you have to learn to live by the spirit of truth no longer living in a lie and bias, men could divorce and women ?

Pierre

[TimothyVI]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 19 2011,07:34)

is not beautifull to have freewill ,I mean the freedom to chose if we want to obey Gods will or not ?? this is more than some country's give to their own people and yet the rulers are also men who probably are more corrupt than the people they rule over,and the laws they make are for their own benefit Pierre

Hi T,

Even the most corrupt rulers give their people the same free will as does God.

The only difference is that they say ” you have the free will to not obey me, but I will then have to torture you and kill you.

While God says, ” you have the fee will to not obey me, but I will then have to kill you and torture you forever after you are dead.

Either way, it's your choice.

Tim

[terraricca]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 20 2011,04:28)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 19 2011,07:34) is not beautifull to have freewill ,I mean the freedom to chose if we want to obey Gods will or not ?? this is more than some country's give to their own people and yet the rulers are also men who probably are more corrupt than the people they rule over,and the laws they make are for their own benefit Pierre Hi T, Even the most corrupt rulers give their people the same free will as does God. The only difference is that they say ” you have the free will to not obey me, but I will then have to torture you and kill you. While God says, ” you have the fee will to not obey me, but I will then have to kill you and torture you forever after you are dead. Either way, it's your choice. Tim

tim

yes ,but God gives 70 or 80 years to make up your mind and try to help you ,what the rulers give you one chance and you are gone ,history,dead.

witch one do you prefer ??

Pierre

[TimothyVI]

When you are given a choice to do something or be tortured and killed, it is not really a free will choice regardless of how long it takes to make up your mind.
So I prefer neither one.

Tim

[terraricca]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 20 2011,14:11)

When you are given a choice to do something or be tortured and killed, it is not really a free will choice regardless of how long it takes to make up your mind. So I prefer neither one. Tim

tim

you see, and understand that you have already now pick one of the two options

think about it

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 19 2011,14:59)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 18 2011,23:52) Hi WIT, He hath shown thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?  (Micah 6:8) God has shown us what is Good. Why don't you listen to him; “What is True”? The standard is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Let me cut to the chase. Is there something known as Truth that is above God, or can God declare anything that he wants to be true? If the former is true, then God is subject to Truth, not the author of it.  If the latter is true, then there is no Truth, (i.e. “truth” is subject to God's whims). By the way, according to the bible, it's the latter.  That which was true for Moses was not true for Jesus, (Deuteronomy 24:1-4 vs Matthew 5:31-32), and that which was true for Jesus was not true for Paul, (Matthew 5:19 vs Galations 3:11).  “Truth” changes quite a bit throughout the bible.

Hi Wit.

1. The truth doesn't change, only your perception of truth.
    I hope these points answer your questions. If not feel free to ask more; OK?
    God has told us what “The Truth” is; when one does not listen, the consequences are our own doing.

    (Deuteronomy 24:1-4 vs Matthew 5:31-32)
2. No contradiction at all, you need to study a bit more! See Mark 10:5…
    For the hardness of your heart he(Moses) wrote you this precept. (Mark 10:5)

    (Matthew 5:19 vs Galatians 3:11)
3. If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?
    Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked;
    but that the wicked turn from his way and live. (Ezek.33:10-11) Paul taught repentance!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 19 2011,21:28)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 19 2011,07:34) is not beautifull to have freewill ,I mean the freedom to chose if we want to obey Gods will or not ?? this is more than some country's give to their own people and yet the rulers are also men who probably are more corrupt than the people they rule over,and the laws they make are for their own benefit Pierre Hi T, Even the most corrupt rulers give their people the same free will as does God. The only difference is that they say ” you have the free will to not obey me, but I will then have to torture you and kill you. While God says, ” you have the fee will to not obey me, but I will then have to kill you and torture you forever after you are dead. Either way, it's your choice. Tim

Hi Tim,

Seems you have been listening to the wrong people.
Can you prove what you say about God? (1Thess.5:21)
1Thess.5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[shimmer]

Hi WhatIsTrue

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That which was true for Moses was not true for Jesus, (Deuteronomy 24:1-4 vs Matthew 5:31-32), and that which was true for Jesus was not true for Paul, (Matthew 5:19 vs Galations 3:11).  “Truth” changes quite a bit throughout the bible.

Jesus said: “It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life”. John 6:63:

“And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free”. John 8:32:

So no matter what you believe, it pays to go back to the words of Jesus. Not man, nor religeon, or anyone else.

[princess]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 14 2011,02:36)

hi princess I hope all is good with you and your , to answer your many arguments I will try to do what I know for sure, first the CG,as you call him,is the only true God ,why do I say this ?lets go with the bible from the beginning where creation takes place ,witch god others than the true God make things and then create a garden of eden to finally create and put his top creation in it ? no other gods ever did that ,in this we can see the intention that the CG is full of love for what he ad create has beings,but yes free will was given to men ,but the question did they use it with intelligence ?it seems to be no, and as we go down into history we see that there is a difference between the men that are approved by that CG compered to all other gods (men made or others )even in the nation that he chose it seems quite clear that it was righteousness that he was looking for in men not corruption in both carnal or spirit and heart ,so that he can keep the soul of men alive ,and out of judgement , there is no other god in the universe that had and is doing for men than the CG(Christian God) but in his word many men have found peace in their soul but also many men have found their personal gain for exploitation of others as well,and in this the truth of the CG as been drawn in the mud and righteousness as been found to not a way to pursue in live ,because wickedness (ways of men )has become more attractive with all the glory of the flesh for a temporary time,the CG offers everlasting live to the righteous ,for those who love him and his ways ,but only but a few are taking this way ,and so only a few do understand scriptures the way it has to be understood , but all can reach for it and would understand it if their hearts would be in the truth of the CG who his the only true God Jehovah I do not follow religion ,but i do follow scriptures and love the God of the scriptures , I have learn the ways of men I am 71 years old ,and I remember what it was when I was 10 years old this is the 50 ts now  ,did men improve his situation on the planet ??  we (men) have come to the brinks of calamity sins then , we have learn nothing from the two previous wars 14/45/ look at the world and the powers of country's sins then,it is a mess ,who is to blame the gods no only men own corruption . Quote The same can be applied with all religions, each has their own prophets or men of their God. The names just change, the story remains the same. NO, the same does not apply to the God of scriptures and his prophets are not the same than from other gods (men made or other) the truth about the CG has been written long ago and never changed and will not change ,and their is no men in charge over his truth ,what is written is what it is ,the truth from 3000 years ago still the truth today ,this is the truth that i like ,men's truth only lives as long has the men who install it lives so this mean it was only this men truth , and princess the way you talked to me I use to think that as well ,but I did my research and read the bible and took notice my self of what it says in it about the CG and no let thing others whit their opinions to show me their falls  truth . Pierre

T,

I understand you only pull from the canonized catholic bible, however, not all do. So with all due respect, the nursery rhythm 'because the bible tells me so' is long forgotten as being a truth.

The matter of creation is a prime example of CG thinking, creation is part of my belief, now saying that I am a ok Christian, then I add my belief is that I was created from a lotus flower, now I become a no so ok Christian. There is nothing simplistic about Christianity. There is a consist domino pattern of acceptance. The opening line is accept Jesus into your heart as being your lord and savior and all your sins are forgiven. Then after this is accepted, rituals, obligations and such follow, then as you proceed further into the religion, then more is to understand, one being you become a priori (accepting without question) that God can and do what he wants to humanity due to He created it and humanity rebelled against Him, and due to this action humanity will suffer not only in this life but the next, so without accepting this God fully with what has been established by man, then you are worthless.

Then you come to understand due to your actions before you became a Christian, is the reason why the world is why it is, due to the human you were before you came to Christianity, and now that you are a Christian you are saved from the world that you help create and you are to use your remaining time to make up for all your wrong doing, not because of your choice to accept, but due to the God you serve. So base line is, you made the choice to accept Christianity, however it was not really your choice it was Gods, it was not your choice to turn away from your former life, it was Gods and the power of this God is what creates the change of heart. You have nothing to do with it, even though the choice was yours in the first place.

Now, let's get into being possessed by the Holy Spirit, now as time goes on, being possessed by a spirit, is considered demonic, the only case where it is not is when the spirit is considered to be Holy, this spirit is allowed to possess a body of an individual and be considered 'right'. Perhaps one should really consider the allowance of calling upon a spirit to possess their mind and body, one does not really know which spirit is listening and being deceiving . To me it is a dangerous practice, and one should reconsider the ritual of such a practice. As much as ones disagree with Gene, they should perhaps re read his post regarding the matter.

The following two passages are a good example:

Exo 32:27  and he saith to them, `Thus said Jehovah, God of Israel, Put each his sword by his thigh, pass over and turn back from gate to gate through the camp, and slay each his brother, and each his friend, and each his relation.'

Mat 26:52  Then saith Jesus to him, `Turn back thy sword to its place; for all who did take the sword, by the sword shall perish;

Now, which is it? the Son of God, declare His fathers words are void and null? Or once again, due to one does not question anything, it is what it is. Why do you think it is so easy for ones to place Pauls words over Jesus'? Tis how one is taught with Christianity. That as prophet come along and proclaim they now have the truth the full truth and nothing but the truth one must play twister to make it look like a masterpiece of a statue and say this is a masterpiece can't you see it, you can't? Then you do not have the true spirit and the devil has you.

Jesus reads from the book of is it Isiah, I think to prove that He is the true Son of God, then in turn tells the reader that you search the scriptures for truth and will not find them.

I am not one to turn anyone away from the faith they have, tis not mine to do. What brings one true peace in their life is meant for them, to try to remove this is foolish on anyone part.

Am I saying that truth cannot be found in the bible, not at all there are many truths, however truth cannot be contained to just one. Christianity is the faith you have taken as being closes
t to the truth as you know it, and you fully accept the bible as being the adherent word of God. I do not. What I do rebuke is one that tells me that since I do not believe in such that I am wrong and will burn in hell for not believing in such.

T,

I admire and respect your years of studying and being where you are now, tis yours and yours alone, and no one can take that from you. I am very much for this, however, there are areas of the faith you carry that will be questioned, and the 'it is what it is' answer is not sufficient for a seeker of truth, they will continue to search with the purity of their heart and mind and not stop.

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