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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2010,13:46) On the contrary Irene, Martian's post deserves a pat on the back, not a tile. 
By his failure to respond to solid points, he has by default admitted that he can't.
He will not ever be able to explain how someone who already was a human being can be made into one, and so his ONLY defense is to run and hide from the question.
He will NEVER be able to tell us about some “ACT OF KINDNESS” that he perfomed that he wouldn't have been able to perform if Jesus pre-existed, and so he will run and hide.
And he will never be able to tell us who the “Word” – who was made flesh, dwelled among us, and had the glory of an only begotten son – was if it wasn't Jesus. So he will run and hide.
So even if he leaves HN and surrounds himself with nothing but non-preexisters, those three little “bugs” we've put in his ear will always be nagging at him. Who knows, maybe he'll someday rethink his doctine.
peace and love,
mike
I had to return just long enough to call you a silly little person. You did exactly what I predicted. I took a few pages of your monkey responses to show around a ministerial council and you got a good laugh. You should try absurd comedy for job.
What a putz. Ohhh maybe the other moderators will kick me off for that. LOLMike Boll 64,
You wrote:Quote I have shown you what the scripture CLEARLY says, and despite MANY tedious replies from you, not once have you tried to explain how someone who already is a human being can be made in the likeness of a human being.
The teacher Paul answers your question by stating that those who are in Christ and perhaps other human beings bear the likeness of human beings. It is self evident not only from what Paul teaches but from the fact a human being bears the likeness of a human being. In case you do not realize it, so do some angels.
1 Corinthians 15:49(NIV) reads:
Quote And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we[a] bear the likeness of the man from heaven.
We also know scripture cannot be broken.
You assume that the Word is a person. It is instead the Spirit or very breath of God and the Hebrew word translated to “Word” can also be translated to “breath”. One title for Jesus could be “The Breath of God” for God lives in him and acts through him as Jesus acts by God’s authority.
Hi Martian,
1. In between the laughing outbursts, were any of the council members able to figure out how someone who already is a human being can be made in the likeness of a human being?
2. Were any of them able to produce evidence of one single teaching of Jesus they ever followed in their entire life that they couldn't have followed if Jesus pre-existed?
3. Were any of them able to explain who this “Word” was who came in the flesh, dwelled among us, and had the glory of an only begotten son?
4. Were any of them able to explain how Jesus had glory in his God's presence before the world was created………THROUGH HIM?
Why don't you print THIS post and take it to your council? I would be interested in their answers. Or better yet, give them the HN address and ask them to come talk with me. Maybe they'll do better then silly insults.
peace and love to you my angry friend,
mikeHi Kerwin,
You quote 1 Cor 15:49. This says, “We have ONE kind of likeness now, but we will have ANOTHER kind of likeness later.”
It does not say that someone who IS a human being will be MADE INTO ONE.
Here's a riddle for ya:
I once had a cat. But then it was declawed and MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF A CAT.
What does that mean? Can it possibly make any sense? If so, could you show me how?
You said:
Quote You assume that the Word is a person. It is instead the Spirit or very breath of God and the Hebrew word translated to “Word” can also be translated to “breath”. One title for Jesus could be “The Breath of God” for God lives in him and acts through him as Jesus acts by God’s authority.
Did “The Breath of God” become flesh? Did God's Breath dwell among us? Was God's Breath His only begotten Son? If so, who is Jesus? Who is the one called “the Word of God” in Revelation? That same one is called “Lord of lords and King of kings”. Is God's Breath our Lord? Will all knees bow to God's Breath?peace and love,
mikeMike,
your riddle answer…
The cat died – and was stuffed.
Stuffing the cat made into only into the image of a cat – not an actual [living] cat…
'declawed' can be used as a term for 'being dead' because it can no longer scratch you of it's own willing.
Can the Image of someone hurt you? (well, the memory of what the image reminds you of may do mindfully)
No, the image of a person is his reflection – the reflection has no power of it's own – only that which another gives it.Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 08 2010,18:17) Mike, your riddle answer…
The cat died – and was stuffed.
Stuffing the cat made into only into the image of a cat – not an actual [living] cat…
'declawed' can be used as a term for 'being dead' because it can no longer scratch you of it's own willing.
JAwhat mike try to say is he use a cat but it could be any other thing;the full unit is considered full,but if you remove some of his figures it will no longer be full unit only a look a like of that figure.
thats what i understood any way.
Pierre
Hey guys,
It wasn't a real riddle. I was trying to prove that if something already IS a cat, then it can't be made in the likeness of a cat, for it is already IN the likeness of a cat.
If Jesus already was a human being in Phil 2:6, then he couldn't possibly be made in the likeness of a human being in Phil 2:7, for he was already IN that likeness to begin with.
So “being in the form of God” must mean he was in the “likeness” of something OTHER THAN a human being or else he couldn't have been said to be made IN the likeness of a human being.
I don't know how many ways I can say it for these non-preexisters, but here's one more anyway.
Nothing can be made in likeness of a human being unless it was in the likeness of something OTHER THAN a human being previously.
Good answers though Pierre and JA
peace and love,
mikeMikeboll64,
Yes, Scripture does declare that we are made in the likeness of man. The type of man it describes before we are resurrected is “earthly” and after resurrection is “heavenly”. I have not looked to make sure that “man” equals “human being”.
In addition Paul’s teaching to the Romans confirms this with the following passages.
Romans 8:3(NIV) reads:
Quote For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man,
Romans 8:29 reads:
Quote For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
In all three scriptures it is clear Jesus is man-like and that the human brothers of Christ are man-like.
Here is a riddle to answer your riddle. When I was in my mother’s reproduction system God formed, i.e. made, me into human likeness even though I have been a human being since my conception.
It is true that the breath of God took on reality when Jesus was conceived. It is also true that God came to dwell among us by inhabiting the person of Christ and so could be said to have become the individual known as Jesus, i.e., referred to as the flesh in John 1.
Mike………..again you keep jabbering about the Form or nature of a man , when Paul was showing us that Jesus did nopt think to rob GOD by stealing His Glory was the real issue . Jesus could very easily Have stole GOD'S gory by letting People think He was the one doing the Miracles instead of God Doing them, as when Moses stole Glory from God at the waters of Meriba and Breaking Faith with Him. Jesus never did that but kept himself humble and maintained the Human Nature of Man , why because He was a Man, not a Morphed Being of any kind. That was Paul's Point and nothing More as you Wrest scriptures to support your false dogmas of Preexistences which separates us from Jesus' Identity, it is most definitely Antichrist teachings, Separatist thinking is the very Spirit (intellect)of the Antichrist no two ways about it.
peace and love………………………….gene
What's it take to get kicked off of here. You moderators would be doing me a service to do so. Kick me off and block me from getting back on.
Come on get your monkeys to work and kick me off. Come on you idiots. Do it. I dare you.
Fix it so I will never be able to give into the temptation to do this sin any more.
Come on you monkey ministry.Quote (martian @ Oct. 09 2010,05:42) What's it take to get kicked off of here. You moderators would be doing me a service to do so. Kick me off and block me from getting back on.
Come on get your monkeys to work and kick me off. Come on you idiots. Do it. I dare you.
Fix it so I will never be able to give into the temptation to do this sin any more.
Come on you monkey ministry.
Hi Martian,Matt.15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth
come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
You plan on leading beginner Christians?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMartian,
Do not call evil what is good in your frustration. Instead trust in God and show that patience through suffering others that disagree with you as God uses them to test you.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 09 2010,09:16) Quote (martian @ Oct. 09 2010,05:42) What's it take to get kicked off of here. You moderators would be doing me a service to do so. Kick me off and block me from getting back on.
Come on get your monkeys to work and kick me off. Come on you idiots. Do it. I dare you.
Fix it so I will never be able to give into the temptation to do this sin any more.
Come on you monkey ministry.
Hi Martian,Matt.15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth
come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
You plan on leading beginner Christians?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And God destroyed thousands in bloody conflict for the greater good. I am trying to get the moderators to block me from getting on here. Every time I get on here it is a sin, yet I feel an unnatural (possibly demonic) drawing to continue in these vain pursuits. The antagonistic atmosphere and the casting pearls before the swine doctrinalists like Mike is a sin to me.
There is nothing but religion and death in these forums and I want life. the forums serve no purpose any more then taking drugs yet they are just as addictive.
I beg the moderators to cut off the supply of forum drug to me. I want it no more.Quote (martian @ Oct. 10 2010,04:03) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 09 2010,09:16) Quote (martian @ Oct. 09 2010,05:42) What's it take to get kicked off of here. You moderators would be doing me a service to do so. Kick me off and block me from getting back on.
Come on get your monkeys to work and kick me off. Come on you idiots. Do it. I dare you.
Fix it so I will never be able to give into the temptation to do this sin any more.
Come on you monkey ministry.
Hi Martian,Matt.15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth
come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
You plan on leading beginner Christians?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And God destroyed thousands in bloody conflict for the greater good. I am trying to get the moderators to block me from getting on here. Every time I get on here it is a sin, yet I feel an unnatural (possibly demonic) drawing to continue in these vain pursuits. The antagonistic atmosphere and the casting pearls before the swine doctrinalists like Mike is a sin to me.
There is nothing but religion and death in these forums and I want life. the forums serve no purpose any more then taking drugs yet they are just as addictive.
I beg the moderators to cut off the supply of forum drug to me. I want it no more.
HI Martian,I suggest you stop sinning.
Ask the “HolySpirit” to help you in this endeavor.
Life comes from (within) the “HolySpirit”! I will pray for you as well!
Father: take the scales away from Martians eyes that he may see “The Truth” of your word!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (martian @ Oct. 09 2010,05:42) What's it take to get kicked off of here. You moderators would be doing me a service to do so. Kick me off and block me from getting back on.
Come on get your monkeys to work and kick me off. Come on you idiots. Do it. I dare you.
Fix it so I will never be able to give into the temptation to do this sin any more.
Come on you monkey ministry.
Hi Martian,I was watching the History Channel Thursday evening. They have a new series called “Stan Lee's Superhumans”. They comb the globe and do little bits on certain human beings who do something “superhuman”.
This was one of the episodes that night:
Ultimate Climber Jyothi Rai
Hometown: Chitradurga, IndiaJyothi Rai is known as India's very own Spiderman-scaling walls at an unbelievable speed.
Jyothi has always had a passion for climbing. Growing up, he saw troops of monkeys swinging through the forests near his home. Taking inspiration from these agile animals, he began climbing up scaffolding while working on a building site. It was here that he perfected his climbing techniques.
After discovering that his spider-like climbing abilities drew in crowds of onlookers, Jyothi started to push himself further by climbing higher and higher structures, always without a net or safety rope. Today, he is able to run up a six-story structure in a matter of seconds.
http://www.history.com/shows/stan-lees-superhumans/bios/#slide-16
Can you imagine how hard I laughed when I saw before me the realization of the analogy I gave you?
Monkey Ministries strikes again!
Have you no ambition at all to answer the four points in my last point? Let's start with the simplist one. You non-preexisters want Jesus to be exactly like us because you think you can then follow him more exactly.
So tell me one teaching of Jesus you have ever followed in your life that you couldn't have followed if Jesus pre-existed.
That's for Gene and Kerwin too.
peace and love my angry friend,
mikeKerwin:
Quote Yes, Scripture does declare that we are made in the likeness of man. The type of man it describes before we are resurrected is “earthly” and after resurrection is “heavenly”. I have not looked to make sure that “man” equals “human being”.
Hello my friend. Look at what you wrote. We ARE “earthly” men, but WILL BE MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF “HEAVENLY” MEN. Do you see? Someone CAN be made in the likeness of something they aren't already. But no one can be made in the likeness of something they ALREADY ARE.A cat CANNOT be made in the likeness of a cat. Do you understand this concept?
And you quoted Romans 8:3 which just furthers my belief. It says God sent someone who was His own Son…….IN THE LIKENESS OF A HUMAN BEING to be a sin offering.
And Romans 8:29 again talks of persons who are in one form eventually BEING MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF JESUS.
And about your riddle: Once you ARE a human being, you can no longer be MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF A HUMAN BEING. And therein lies the answer to the apparent misunderstanding you have of Phil 2:6. It clearly says that Jesus was in one form, and then was made into a human being. And if Jesus already WAS a human being while “existing in the form of God”, it couldn't then be said that he was made into human being after the fact.
I do want to address your “God's Breath” issue, for it has no legs to stand on. But let's get through Phil 2:6 first, okay?
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 10 2010,04:48) Quote (martian @ Oct. 10 2010,04:03) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 09 2010,09:16) Quote (martian @ Oct. 09 2010,05:42) What's it take to get kicked off of here. You moderators would be doing me a service to do so. Kick me off and block me from getting back on.
Come on get your monkeys to work and kick me off. Come on you idiots. Do it. I dare you.
Fix it so I will never be able to give into the temptation to do this sin any more.
Come on you monkey ministry.
Hi Martian,Matt.15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth
come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
You plan on leading beginner Christians?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And God destroyed thousands in bloody conflict for the greater good. I am trying to get the moderators to block me from getting on here. Every time I get on here it is a sin, yet I feel an unnatural (possibly demonic) drawing to continue in these vain pursuits. The antagonistic atmosphere and the casting pearls before the swine doctrinalists like Mike is a sin to me.
There is nothing but religion and death in these forums and I want life. the forums serve no purpose any more then taking drugs yet they are just as addictive.
I beg the moderators to cut off the supply of forum drug to me. I want it no more.
HI Martian,I suggest you stop sinning.
Ask the “HolySpirit” to help you in this endeavor.
Life comes from (within) the “HolySpirit”! I will pray for you as well!
Father: take the scales away from Martians eyes that he may see “The Truth” of your word!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Do you actually believe that you are in any place to give advise or council or that I would be so foolish as to take that advise from the likes of you? Has your special form of numerology really whacked you out that much? I am so over all of you miscreants and numb skulls.Martian, I know how you feel. But despite the ones who do cause anger, frustration and hurt, there are also nice people who show christian behaviour,
Hi Shimmer,
I just don't understand you sometimes. You seem to enjoy defending and supporting the ones who are acting the most un-Christian-like on this site.
JA engages in what amounts to a verbal fistfight against one of his Christian brothers……..and you are there to root him on and coddle him.
Martian is pushing the envelope as far as he can by slinging derogatory insults in a self-admitted effort to be kicked off this site altogether…….and you “identify” with and coddle him.
You sometimes post awesomely beautiful things, and I am glad you are here. I just sometimes think your “moral compass” is a little out of alignment.
peace and love,
mike
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