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Charity The Question here is who blieves in God and who bliefs in Jesus. It has very little to do with Love. I have not always gone with Ken on to many points , but on this one I agree. It is not wise to have a conversation on a Christian Website about if there even is a God or if Jesus is our Savior? To me that makes no sense. That I can do on the outside world. I came here to conversate with Christians, not that I constantly have to defend my Faith. I have no intrest in that. So it has comes down to that Christains take the side of an unbeliever rather then another Christian. That I am sorry makes me very sad. Oh, well I have lost friends before because of my beliefs, I can again. I will always stand for the right things, that is God and our Savior Jesus Christ. On that Rock I will stand forever. He has called me and I will follow. How about you?
Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 26 2007,10:56) t8,
If an unbeliever is not allowed in the Scripture thread, how will he possibly become a Christian? By only being allowed in threads with other non-believer's? This doesn't quite make sense, and possibly I'm misunderstanding you? Will the non-beliver's be able to view the thread but not post? But then what if they have a question? Are they not able to ask a Christian anything? HmmmmI agree with Tim and Kejonn that if some here want an inclusive (or exclusive) club for Christians – there are plenty out there for them to join. What if this site only allowed those who don't believe in the Trinity? Then we would not have fellowship with WJ and other's who are Trinitarian. What a huge loss that would be!
I still stand by my suggesstion to enlarge the rules to include the respect of God and his nature. If non-believer's cannot follow the rules, then after the appropriate warnings received…….they're out! That way, if they are harrassing anyone – they won't be able to do it for long.
To be perfectly honest, how do you determine a “believer” anyway? Some “believe” that Jesus is God – other's do not. Are the ones that believe he is God believer's and the other's non-believer's? Or is it just those who consider themselves “Christians” that would be allowed full posting privileges? I know some folks who by my definition are non-believer's but they consider themselves “Christians.”. Who would decide what being a Christian means? Would there be definition posted and an evaluation form to fill out? You see where I'm going with this.
Besides, it's human nature to surround controversy. It's why we slow down on the Interstate to “look” at the mangled car wreck. It's why we love drama. It's why our 5 O'clock news is filled with murder and mayhem versus good samaritan stories. If we had threads only open to non-believer's…….I bet they would be popular threads (used by non and believer's alike). It would become the place where you would feel free to talk about anything. Kind of like what we enjoy NOW.
Hi Not3in1 and everyone else.I am not saying that it is my way or the highway, but I am expressing my opinion and am actually also happy to keep it the way it is with rules that bar users from changing the subject. Although I made the point that this would be very hard to administer.
As far as non-believers forums, I wasn't thinking along those lines. Rather forums for all that includes believers and non-believers alike. These forums would be suitable for debating things like is there a God, what one must do to obtain salvation, or science etc.
Just to make the record straight. Heaven Net discussions are sorted this way:
BBS > Categories > Forums > Discussions/threads
An example of the above is:
Heaven Net > GENERAL STUFF > Creation & Science > BananasSo a forum is really a grouping of discussions and not the whole BBS (Bulleting Board).
So if there was a believer only area, it could take place at Category level. Something like:
- SCRIPTURE & DOCTRINE for believers only.
- GUESTBOOK, PRAYER & ADVICE , GENERAL STUFF, HELPDESK for all members (believer and non-believer alike).
Or it could be that some forums are open to believers only, such as “Scripture & Biblical Doctrine”, Truth or Tradition?, Biblical Prophecy, & Bible Trivia while all others are open to all members, which includes: “The Bible” too. As I think that non-believers can contribute good things regarding biblical texts, etc.
The reason of course is to allow believers a non-hindered experience when talking about scriptural teachings.
It seems to me that so far, we cannot really progress beyond defending the basics such as does God exist, in many of the scriptural discussions.I would assume that the enemy will just bring more unbelievers to stop us from making any kind of progress in this forum. I tend to think this weaknesses will only be exploited more and more, as it is within the nature of our adversaries to do so. Remember that one of the antichrist's tactics is to wear down the saints.
I know I spend a good amount of time deleting spammers who register here, and time wasters are only increasing here and in the rest of the WWW too. I also think people who post the same thing in unrelated discussions are spammers too.
That said, another option is to make people stick to the topic of the discussion. For this to work however, members would need to report posts that are not related to the topic. A blind eye could be turned for most, as they may only be slight deviations or a deviation to prove a point that is ultimately related to the topic. But when someone speaks bad about God or a person, then if it were reported to a moderator, it could lead to increasing the warning level of that member. After 5 warnings, that member would lose posting rights and thus there would be a weeding out of trouble makers.
However, a believer only “Scripture & Doctrine” category (or at least some of the forums contained therein) could eliminate most of the administration and also make it easier, clearer, and more interesting for others to read the discussions without having to contend with unbelievers who will try and stop progress of a discussion or degrade the quality of a discussion.
You know what never mind
I would want to be the one who would be stopping the weeds being pulled! My guess their won't be
much wheat left.Who am I to think that I can stop a rotten tree from falling!
Really I wash my hands of the whole thing perhaps even heaven net. Scripture says what to do in matters as these. Is washing my hands the same as shaking the dust off my feet.:)
Now don't get your hopes up I said PERHAPS!
Humpty Dumpty
No Charity it is YOU who are right! Not Jesus OR John!You don't say what you mean and mean what you don't say, then call it “rhymes”. I have seen your “knock it off” attitude it's showing now!
Whatever folks!
You are a very judgmental Christian Ken. With more people like you combined with the fallacy of Christianity, I can see why more and more people are leaving churches. Keep up the good work. You probably turn more people away from Jesus that I ever could.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 26 2007,12:56) However, a believer only “Scripture & Doctrine” category (or at least some of the forums contained therein) could eliminate most of the administration and also make it easier, clearer, and more interesting for others to read the discussions without having to contend with unbelievers who will try and stop progress of a discussion or degrade the quality of a discussion.
Again, I hate to sound like a broken record here, but how would you determine who are the “believer's” and who are the “un-believer's”?Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 26 2007,12:51) Charity The Question here is who blieves in God and who bliefs in Jesus. It has very little to do with Love.
I think this is one of the saddest sentences I have read yet!Mandy I just don't get it, is it not about who believes in God and Jesus? That is what the subject has been, that is what we have been having to do, defending our Faith with Tow and Stu, is it not that what it is all about? This time I am going to give you these scriptures. Please do not get angry with me, I still love everybody, but the Subject is not Love.
John 1:9-11 I hope you will put these with your studies
1 Col. 3:18Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 26 2007,14:16) Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 26 2007,12:51) Charity The Question here is who blieves in God and who bliefs in Jesus. It has very little to do with Love.
I think this is one of the saddest sentences I have read yet!
Want a responce…
!Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 26 2007,13:52) You are a very judgmental Christian Ken. With more people like you combined with the fallacy of Christianity, I can see why more and more people are leaving churches. Keep up the good work. You probably turn more people away from Jesus that I ever could.
Are you judging? Don't worry I have a felling I'll be out your way!Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 26 2007,14:45) Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 26 2007,14:16) Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 26 2007,12:51) Charity The Question here is who blieves in God and who bliefs in Jesus. It has very little to do with Love.
I think this is one of the saddest sentences I have read yet!
Want a responce… !
Brother,What about being a Christian has “very little to do with love”? I ask you……. You who is all about the commandments; which is the greatest commandment?
Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 26 2007,12:51) Charity The Question here is who blieves in God and who bliefs in Jesus. It has very little to do with Love. I have not always gone with Ken on to many points , but on this one I agree. It is not wise to have a conversation on a Christian Website about if there even is a God or if Jesus is our Savior? To me that makes no sense. That I can do on the outside world. I came here to conversate with Christians, not that I constantly have to defend my Faith. I have no intrest in that. So it has comes down to that Christains take the side of an unbeliever rather then another Christian. That I am sorry makes me very sad. Oh, well I have lost friends before because of my beliefs, I can again. I will always stand for the right things, that is God and our Savior Jesus Christ. On that Rock I will stand forever. He has called me and I will follow. How about you? Peace and Love Mrs.
This site isn't Christian any longer!If this was a church you were attending would you stay if the pastor allowed a heathen AntiChrist to bash Jesus every time you visited!
Is this what this site has come too?Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 26 2007,14:41) Mandy I just don't get it, is it not about who believes in God and Jesus? That is what the subject has been, that is what we have been having to do, defending our Faith with Tow and Stu, is it not that what it is all about? This time I am going to give you these scriptures. Please do not get angry with me, I still love everybody, but the Subject is not Love.
John 1:9-11 I hope you will put these with your studies
1 Col. 3:18Peace and Love Mrs.
Whenever you speak of our dear Lord – the subject is always LOVE.I am not angry with you – not in the slightest. I am saddened by your lack of love.
And let me say this, you don't “have to” defend your faith with Tow and Stu…..you can simply take your own advice and not read their posts or answer them.
Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 26 2007,15:06) Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 26 2007,12:51) Charity The Question here is who blieves in God and who bliefs in Jesus. It has very little to do with Love. I have not always gone with Ken on to many points , but on this one I agree. It is not wise to have a conversation on a Christian Website about if there even is a God or if Jesus is our Savior? To me that makes no sense. That I can do on the outside world. I came here to conversate with Christians, not that I constantly have to defend my Faith. I have no intrest in that. So it has comes down to that Christains take the side of an unbeliever rather then another Christian. That I am sorry makes me very sad. Oh, well I have lost friends before because of my beliefs, I can again. I will always stand for the right things, that is God and our Savior Jesus Christ. On that Rock I will stand forever. He has called me and I will follow. How about you? Peace and Love Mrs.
This site isn't Christian any longer!If this was a church you were attending would you stay if the pastor allowed a heathen AntiChrist to bash Jesus every time you visited!
Is this what this site has come too?
A pastor wouldn't allow that behavior – no. However, a pastor wouldn't allow you to question the Trinity either. You can't have your cake and eat it too.Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 26 2007,15:00) Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 26 2007,14:45) Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 26 2007,14:16) Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 26 2007,12:51) Charity The Question here is who blieves in God and who bliefs in Jesus. It has very little to do with Love.
I think this is one of the saddest sentences I have read yet!
Want a responce… !
Brother,What about being a Christian has “very little to do with love”? I ask you……. You who is all about the commandments; which is the greatest commandment?
GOD!!! Scripture says to avoid people like this! Jesus said to shake the dust off your feet! But all you guys want to do is give them the floor so they can spread their plagues! Are you blind!John said if you give them an greeting than you are as THEY! Or is that what you want?
I've said my peace for this thread. I am for keeping the board as it is and allowing folks to use their good judgement when dealing with other's. Tightening up the rules a bit, but other than that keeping things as they are. I like it here…….weeds and all.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 26 2007,12:56) Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 26 2007,10:56) t8,
If an unbeliever is not allowed in the Scripture thread, how will he possibly become a Christian? By only being allowed in threads with other non-believer's? This doesn't quite make sense, and possibly I'm misunderstanding you? Will the non-beliver's be able to view the thread but not post? But then what if they have a question? Are they not able to ask a Christian anything? HmmmmI still stand by my suggesstion to enlarge the rules to include the respect of God and his nature. If non-believer's cannot follow the rules, then after the appropriate warnings received…….they're out! That way, if they are harrassing anyone – they won't be able to do it for long.
To be perfectly honest, how do you determine a “believer” anyway? Some “believe” that Jesus is God – other's do not. Are the ones that believe he is God believer's and the other's non-believer's? Or is it just those who consider themselves “Christians” that would be allowed full posting privileges? I know some folks who by my definition are non-believer's but they consider themselves “Christians.”. Who would decide what being a Christian means? Would there be definition posted and an evaluation form to fill out? You see where I'm going with this.
Besides, it's human nature to surround controversy. It's why we slow down on the Interstate to “look” at the mangled car wreck. It's why we love drama. It's why our 5 O'clock news is filled with murder and mayhem versus good samaritan stories. If we had threads only open to non-believer's…….I bet they would be popular threads (used by non and believer's alike). It would become the place where you would feel free to talk about anything. Kind of like what we enjoy NOW.
Hi Not3in1 and everyone else.I am not saying that it is my way or the highway, but I am expressing my opinion and am actually also happy to keep it the way it is with rules that bar users from changing the subject. Although I made the point that this would be very hard to administer.
As far as non-believers forums, I wasn't thinking along those lines. Rather forums for all that includes believers and non-believers alike. These forums would be suitable for debating things like is there a God, what one must do to obtain salvation, or science etc.
Just to make the record straight. Heaven Net discussions are sorted this way:
BBS > Categories > Forums > Discussions/threads
An example of the above is:
Heaven Net > GENERAL STUFF > Creation & Science > BananasSo a forum is really a grouping of discussions and not the whole BBS (Bulleting Board).
So if there was a believer only area, it could take place at Category level. Something like:
- SCRIPTURE & DOCTRINE for believers only.
- GUESTBOOK, PRAYER & ADVICE , GENERAL STUFF, HELPDESK for all members (believer and non-believer alike).
Or it could be that some forums are open to believers only, such as “Scripture & Biblical Doctrine”, Truth or Tradition?, Biblical Prophecy, & Bible Trivia while all others are open to all members, which includes: “The Bible” too.
The reason of course is to allow believers a non-hindered experience when talking about scriptural teachings.
It seems to me that so far, we cannot really progress beyond defending the basics such as does God exist, in many of the scriptural discussions.I would assume that the enemy will just bring more unbelievers to stop us from making any kind of progress in this forum. I tend to think this weaknesses will only be exploited more and more, as it is within the nature of our adversaries to do so. Remember that one of the antichrist's tactics is to wear down the saints.
I know I spend a good amount of time deleting spammers who register here, and time wasters are only increasing here and in the rest of the WWW too. I also think people who post the same thing in unrelated discussions are spammers too.
That said, another option is to make people stick to the topic of the discussion. For this to work however, members would need to report posts that are not related to the topic. A blind eye could be turned for most, as they may only be slight deviations or a deviation to prove a point that is ultimately related to the topic. But when someone speaks bad about God or a person, then if it were reported to a moderator, it could lead to increasing the warning level of that member. After 5 warnings, that member would lose posting rights and thus there would be a weeding out of trouble makers.
However, a believer only “Scripture & Doctrine” category (or at least some of the forums contained therein) could eliminate most of the administration and also make it easier, clearer, and more interesting for others to read the discussions without having to contend with unbelievers who will try and stop progress of a discussion or degrade the quality of a discussion.
Quote As I think that non-believers can contribute good things regarding biblical texts, etc. What good have these guys brought to the believer in Christ?
Quote I agree with Tim and Kejonn that if some here want an inclusive (or exclusive) club for Christians – there are plenty out there for them to join. What if this site only allowed those who don't believe in the Trinity? Then we would not have fellowship with WJ and other's who are Trinitarian. What a huge loss that would be! Last I check the Trinity was a Christian subject seeing that they believe in Jesus!
You are comparing apples to oranges then trying to justify your thoughts. SAD!
Quote If we had threads only open to non-believer's…….I bet they would be popular threads (used by non and believer's alike). It would become the place where you would feel free to talk about anything. Kind of like what we enjoy NOW. You enjoy people who teach that Jesus is not the Messiah? I have news for you people who enjoy this are not Christians.
I don't know why I bother but:
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
My! This stuff is milk! Just how many Spirit filled people are here anyway?
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, le
t us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,What is the scripture saying? It's saying I'm wasting my time sharing milk with those who should be on meat. Because if they should be on meat and refuse to get off milk then it is impossible to renew them again to the milk of the word. You reject the milk because you desire something else. But reject meat and so go after sugar:
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.WOW!
OK Continue!
To heaven: I no longer wish to have posting rights BUT I do wish to observe! Is that possible?!
Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 26 2007,15:24) I've said my peace for this thread. I am for keeping the board as it is and allowing folks to use their good judgement when dealing with other's. Tightening up the rules a bit, but other than that keeping things as they are. I like it here…….weeds and all.
Yer roses have thORns, maybe that’s g-d”S installed self defense. BITELife’s a roller coaster ride, hey how many times is that now that we’ve been shown the door Mandy, I’m loosing count
Quote (charity @ Nov. 26 2007,16:00) Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 26 2007,15:24) I've said my peace for this thread. I am for keeping the board as it is and allowing folks to use their good judgement when dealing with other's. Tightening up the rules a bit, but other than that keeping things as they are. I like it here…….weeds and all.
Yer roses have thORns, maybe that’s g-d”S installed self defense. BITELife’s a roller coaster ride, hey how many times is that now that we’ve been shown the door Mandy, I’m loosing count
I bet most of you are right at home among the weeds. The weeds hang around after they are pulled, then are put into bundles. WOW!
Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 26 2007,15:24) I've said my peace for this thread. I am for keeping the board as it is and allowing folks to use their good judgement when dealing with other's. Tightening up the rules a bit, but other than that keeping things as they are. I like it here…….weeds and all. Quote I am for keeping the board as it is and allowing folks to use their good judgement … Just like Adam!
And jingle bells! WOW!
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