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Quote (942767 @ Nov. 15 2009,13:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 15 2009,12:43) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 15 2009,12:06) Hi BD: But he did die and was presented alive before God Almighty. And so, he fulfilled both the blood sacrifice and was the scapegoat. He is in heaven seated at the right hand of God and he is the head of the church.
I love you and want so much for you to see this so that you can be reconciled to God, but I do not know how I can get you to see this.
The scripture does not state, the life is in the blood. It states: "The life of the flesh is in the blood". The life of the soul is believing what God has done for us in the person of Jesus Christ, His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
You say that you believe that Jesus is the Christ, but you don't believe his words, which are not his words, but it is God speaking to you through him.
I am praying for you and your family.
Love in Christ,
Marty
If Jesus already has died and cannot die again why is it he must wait to return until his enemies have been placed under his feet?He still had flowing BLOOD, He was hungry, he ate fish and honeycomb and said he was not a Ghost
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:38-40Acts 1:9-11 (King James Version)
9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Now he had flesh and bones and was not a Spirit and the scripture says he will return "flesh and bones" just as he left.
He raised Lazarus from the dead and there were others who were raised from the dead long before that so if Jesus is the first to be RESURRECTED it must not mean the same thing as being Raised but still he was raised up to heaven Alive.
He told Mary he had not ascended yet so if there was a time he wasn't alive he certainly did not acknowledge it. He told Mary do not touch me for I have not yet ascended.
So if the flesh need the blood to have Life Jesus was full of blood because he said
"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself"Not a new Jesus or a different Jesus, the same Jesus.
Hi BD:He had flesh and bone but no blood. It is the Spirit of God that gave him life after his resurrection from the dead.
Quote Jhn 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Jhn 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [be] unto you.
Jhn 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Jhn 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Jhn 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.All unbelievers are enemies of God because they are His adversaries practicing sin wilfully, but God is not willing that any man should perish but that all should come to repentance. However, there will come a day when the door of opportunity for anyone to be reconciled to God will be shut.
Those who are saved are under his feet because they are in His kingdom and no longer his enemies, but the unsaved will be under his feet also because God has appointed him to be the judge of the living(those who are saved) and the dead(those who have died in their sins).
Quote Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead. Love in Christ,
Marty
So Jesus had Flesh and Bones without BLOOD? Why was he hungry then?Why did he say it was him like they knew him to be?
So now you are saying that Jesus was some sort of Zombie without blood? How did he think? How did he walk?
Without BLOOD the FLESH is not alive but they saw JESUS ALIVE in the FLESH eating. COME ON NOW!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 15 2009,11:33) So you mean that people were being baptized before Jesus to symbolize the death of Jesus? You make things up ED like not adding up your whole name which I imagine would be edward=55 which Ironically is Red War=55 warred=55 meaning 2.to be in a state of hostility or contention; contend; strive
Hi BD,I’m glad I got your attention now.
In case you didn’t know my vote was NEITHER for you nor against you!Just because I point out that (the issue of your error) the issue is NOT how the title “GOD”
translates into Arabic, does NOT mean that I agree with anything you say!You spew errors out of your mouth repeatedly; and I don’t agree with errors!
You claim to know “GOD” but your words continue to illustrate you don't.I have pointed out many errors so far, but you seem to just ignore them; probably thinking
(do to Satan’s manipulation of your mind) that I (you believing falsely) speak out of ignorance.
It is you, once again, who does NOT understand, ‘Allah’ is NOT a name but merely ‘a title’.You clearly do NOT understand who God(Holy Spirit) is AT ALL!
Let me explain for you the core of what it means to be a (Christian) follower of Christ.
No more symbolism, I will give it to you straight; please try do understand the “Truth” of my words.Now, I will fulfill Job 36:2, I will now speak in behalf of GOD.
I will explain the (full) meaning of this (next) verse I will show you.First I must give you a little background.
Jesus’ God was His Father(Holy Spirit).
Jesus’ Father(Holy Spirit) is my GOD.
My GOD’s Name is, in English, JEHOVAH!“And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven.” (Luke 12:10)
To “blasphemeth against” is to “Reject” Him(Holy Spirit) from being your GOD!
When YOU reject His(Holy Spirit’s) Son(Jesus); that means that you reject His(Jesus) sacrifice for your sins!
“The Savior”=117 is “GOD The Father”=117 (Gal.1:1); YHVH is GOD”=117.There is NO remission for your sins if you “Reject” the “Gospel”; which I have already explained for you, what the “Gospel” (symbolized by Baptism) is!
Heb.9:22: …“without shedding of (Jesus)blood (there) is no remission (of your sins)! (Heb 9:26)
I will explain why for you to understand the “importantcy” of why. (Isaiah 1:18)In Life, we have both “a Father” and “a Mother”.
Jesus mother was “Mary”.
Jesus Father was “Holy Spirit” (Matt.1:18)Matt.1:18 fulfills “The Prophesy” of Isaiah 7:14! (Heb.7:28 / Isaiah 9:6)
And “Everybody Here” here on the (https://heavennet.net) forum fulfills Isaiah 9:7 (for you)!
We all (Here) worship the "Living GOD", NOT some 'fake' 'moon god'!Ed J
PS. You (BD) forgot “Heaven”=55 and “Satan”=55.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 15 2009,11:33) Ironically is Red War=55 warred=55 meaning 2.to be in a state of hostility or contention; contend; strive Your right BD, you and your fake 'moon god' fight against "GOD's People" in what you have labeled the 'red war'=55!
Now that we (people as a whole) are starting to understand English Gematria more fully,
take another look at the promises God made to Abraham, even down to calling Abraham THE FATHER OF MANY NATIONS..God(Holy Spirit) made these three specific promises to Abraham's seed. He said that his seed would be as plenty as the…
1) “Dust of the Earth”=170 (Gen. 13:16)
2) “Stars of Heaven”=153 (Gen. 26:4)
3) “Sand of the Sea”=117 (Gen. 32:12)It’s interesting to note that the very same language is used in Rev. 20:8 where Satan goes about in battle to deceive the nations,
He (Satan=55, 'your god') is going against God’s people (the people of “GOD The Father”=117) to deceive, whose number is AS the SAND OF THE SEA=117.Rev. 20:8: And (Satan) shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth,
Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the "sand of the sea".Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 15 2009,13:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 15 2009,11:33) So you mean that people were being baptized before Jesus to symbolize the death of Jesus? You make things up ED like not adding up your whole name which I imagine would be edward=55 which Ironically is Red War=55 warred=55 meaning 2.to be in a state of hostility or contention; contend; strive
Hi BD,I’m glad I got your attention now.
In case you didn’t know my vote was NEITHER for you nor against you!Just because I point out that (the issue of your error) the issue is NOT how the title “GOD”
translates into Arabic, does NOT mean that I agree with anything you say!You spew errors out of your mouth repeatedly; and I don’t agree with errors!
You claim to know “GOD” but your words continue to illustrate you don't.I have pointed out many errors so far, but you seem to just ignore them; probably thinking
(do to Satan’s manipulation of your mind) that I (you believing falsely) speak out of ignorance.
It is you, once again, who does NOT understand, ‘Allah’ is NOT a name but merely ‘a title’.You clearly do NOT understand who God(Holy Spirit) is AT ALL!
Let me explain for you the core of what it means to be a (Christian) follower of Christ.
No more symbolism, I will give it to you straight; please try do understand the “Truth” of my words.Now, I will fulfill Job 36:2, I will now speak in behalf of GOD.
I will explain the (full) meaning of this (next) verse I will show you.First I must give you a little background.
Jesus’ God was His Father(Holy Spirit).
Jesus’ Father(Holy Spirit) is my GOD.
My GOD’s Name is, in English, JEHOVAH!“And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven.” (Luke 12:10)
To “blasphemeth against” is to “Reject” Him(Holy Spirit) from being your GOD!
When YOU reject His(Holy Spirit’s) Son(Jesus); that means that you reject His(Jesus) sacrifice for your sins!
“The Savior”=117 is “GOD The Father”=117 (Gal.1:1); YHVH is GOD”=117.There is NO remission for your sins if you “Reject” the “Gospel”; which I have already explained for you, what the “Gospel” (symbolized by Baptism) is!
Heb.9:22: …“without shedding of (Jesus)blood (there) is no remission (of your sins)! (Heb 9:26)
I will explain why for you to understand the “importantcy” of why. (Isaiah 1:18)In Life, we have both “a Father” and “a Mother”.
Jesus mother was “Mary”.
Jesus Father was “Holy Spirit” (Matt.1:18)Matt.1:18 fulfills “The Prophesy” of Isaiah 7:14! (Heb.7:28 / Isaiah 9:6)
And “Everybody Here” here on the (https://heavennet.net) forum fulfills Isaiah 9:7 (for you)!
We all (Here) worship the "Living GOD", NOT some 'fake' 'moon god'!Ed J
PS. You (BD) forgot “Heaven”=55 and “Satan”=55.
No, I didn't forget that Satan=55 fell from Heaven=55 and edward=55 and warred=55 against men=34 whom Allah=34 created and warned in ink=34 that they should tie=34 themselves to Yah=34Quote (georg @ Nov. 13 2009,14:33) Ed! You know I have heard that before that Gematrica is an occult practice, so that is not all not unusual. I cold never understand it, and truly don't want to either. So but you insist it is not a occult!! Am I right?
IreneQuote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 15 2009,13:47) No, I didn't forget that Satan=55 fell from Heaven=55 and edward=55 and warred=55 against men=34 whom Allah=34 created and warned in ink=34 that they should tie=34 themselves to Yah=34 Is Gematria an occult practice?
Is a gun an Evil thing?
It depends on how it's used, doesn't it?Irene, You sure do got it pegged right, in some cases it is indeed an 'occult practice'!
Love Ya Irene, thanks for your "Honest opinion", "Truth"!
Only the "Truth" will do!
Ed JQuote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 15 2009,13:20) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 15 2009,13:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 15 2009,12:43) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 15 2009,12:06) Hi BD: But he did die and was presented alive before God Almighty. And so, he fulfilled both the blood sacrifice and was the scapegoat. He is in heaven seated at the right hand of God and he is the head of the church.
I love you and want so much for you to see this so that you can be reconciled to God, but I do not know how I can get you to see this.
The scripture does not state, the life is in the blood. It states: "The life of the flesh is in the blood". The life of the soul is believing what God has done for us in the person of Jesus Christ, His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
You say that you believe that Jesus is the Christ, but you don't believe his words, which are not his words, but it is God speaking to you through him.
I am praying for you and your family.
Love in Christ,
Marty
If Jesus already has died and cannot die again why is it he must wait to return until his enemies have been placed under his feet?He still had flowing BLOOD, He was hungry, he ate fish and honeycomb and said he was not a Ghost
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:38-40Acts 1:9-11 (King James Version)
9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Now he had flesh and bones and was not a Spirit and the scripture says he will return "flesh and bones" just as he left.
He raised Lazarus from the dead and there were others who were raised from the dead long before that so if Jesus is the first to be RESURRECTED it must not mean the same thing as being Raised but still he was raised up to heaven Alive.
He told Mary he had not ascended yet so if there was a time he wasn't alive he certainly did not acknowledge it. He told Mary do not touch me for I have not yet ascended.
So if the flesh need the blood to have Life Jesus was full of blood because he said
"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself"Not a new Jesus or a different Jesus, the same Jesus.
Hi BD:He had flesh and bone but no blood. It is the Spirit of God that gave him life after his resurrection from the dead.
Quote Jhn 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Jhn 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [be] unto you.
Jhn 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Jhn 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Jhn 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.All unbelievers are enemies of God because they are His adversaries practicing sin wilfully, but God is not willing that any man should perish but that all should come to repentance. However, there will come a day when the door of opportunity for anyone to be reconciled to God will be shut.
Those who are saved are under his feet because they are in His kingdom and no longer his enemies, but the unsaved will be under his feet also because God has appointed him to be the judge of the living(those who are saved) and the dead(those who have died in their sins).
Quote Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead. Love in Christ,
Marty
So Jesus had Flesh and Bones without BLOOD? Why was he hungry then?Why did he say it was him like they knew him to be?
So now you are saying that Jesus was some sort of Zombie without blood? How did he think? How did he walk?
Without BLOOD the FLESH is not alive but they saw JESUS ALIVE in the FLESH eating. COME ON NOW!
Hi BD:I can't answer all the questions about why he was hungry. I know that in the flesh it is the blood that carries away the wastes of the body, but the only thing that I can tell you is that in the resurrected body that is given life by His Spirit, He has another way.
He is the last Adam.
Quote 1Cr 15:35 ¶ But some [man] will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 1Cr 15:36 [Thou] fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1Cr 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other [grain]:
1Cr 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Cr 15:39 All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds.
1Cr 15:40 [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another.
1Cr 15:41 [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.
1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cr 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness;
it is raised in power:1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Love in Christ,
MartyI believe that this forum should be divided up into Christian and Non-christian sections.
Acts 4:12: "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." [Jesus is the name; he is the Saviour, and no other man's name fits the description, role, designation, or purpose of The Messiah. PERIOD] IMO, when it comes to Biblical text, I believe we as Christians should be diligent to not allow others (in different religions) to put a question mark where a period belongs.
Con- I think your interpretation of Matthew 13:33 sounds interesting, but may be missing the point Jesus was trying to make in a much simpler way.
"Another parable He spoke to them: "The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till it was all leavened.
Here's what I get from the parable: Leaven is not always associated with evil in the scriptures, [and nor are women, as you mentioned previously] and I believe it does not carry this association here In Matthew 13. Here's why:
Jesus had spoken a string of parables during the time of this recorded parable (i.e., Sower, Tares, Mustard Seed, and then Leaven) each parable is intended to emphasize a simple, yet vitally important truth to be grasped about the Kingdom.
Leaven is a rising agent and it acts in mysterious ways in a blob of dough. When this agent is kneaded into a batch, its dynamic effects of rising the dough take place irreversibly and without notice of the human eye (it's gradual and it happens internally). And before too long, the whole blob of dough is effected.
The point in this illustration is to be applied to one thing, and that is, the manner in which growth in the Kingdom of God takes place. The kingdom is not going to grow by external forces (that is, armies, religious organizations or inquisitions, etc.), but will grow (mysteriously) from within via the power of and unquenchable agent, the holy spirit. Nobody is going to be able to stop the effects of this growth until the whole world is effected.
Matthew 24:16: "and this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
This is closely associated with the previous parable he spoke about the mustard seed. In this parable emphasizes that even though the number of people who would inherit the kingdom would be very small (like a mustard seed), the future growth (progeny) arising from this nucleus of citizens would be way out of proportion to the size of its initial beginnings.
My personal belief is that these parables will take on their full illustration with the coming of the new age, when Christ returns to set up his kingdom on the earth, and the redeemed of his kingdom bear rule with him.
Con-
I exhort to consider that perhaps you interjected a humanistic interpretation to this parable, and added some information that the parable doesn't emphasize. Please think this through. I'd be interested to hear your reply.
Grace & peace,
glad tidings
Quote (glad tidings @ Nov. 16 2009,06:36) I believe that this forum should be divided up into Christian and Non-christian sections. Acts 4:12: "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." [Jesus is the name; he is the Saviour, and no other man's name fits the description, role, designation, or purpose of The Messiah. PERIOD] IMO, when it comes to Biblical text, I believe we as Christians should be diligent to not allow others (in different religions) to put a question mark where a period belongs.
Con- I think your interpretation of Matthew 13:33 sounds interesting, but may be missing the point Jesus was trying to make in a much simpler way.
"Another parable He spoke to them: "The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till it was all leavened.
Here's what I get from the parable: Leaven is not always associated with evil in the scriptures, [and nor are women, as you mentioned previously] and I believe it does not carry this association here In Matthew 13. Here's why:
Jesus had spoken a string of parables during the time of this recorded parable (i.e., Sower, Tares, Mustard Seed, and then Leaven) each parable is intended to emphasize a simple, yet vitally important truth to be grasped about the Kingdom.
Leaven is a rising agent and it acts in mysterious ways in a blob of dough. When this agent is kneaded into a batch, its dynamic effects of rising the dough take place irreversibly and without notice of the human eye (it's gradual and it happens internally). And before too long, the whole blob of dough is effected.
The point in this illustration is to be applied to one thing, and that is, the manner in which growth in the Kingdom of God takes place. The kingdom is not going to grow by external forces (that is, armies, religious organizations or inquisitions, etc.), but will grow (mysteriously) from within via the power of and unquenchable agent, the holy spirit. Nobody is going to be able to stop the effects of this growth until the whole world is effected.
Matthew 24:16: "and this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
This is closely associated with the previous parable he spoke about the mustard seed. In this parable emphasizes that even though the number of people who would inherit the kingdom would be very small (like a mustard seed), the future growth (progeny) arising from this nucleus of citizens would be way out of proportion to the size of its initial beginnings.
My personal belief is that these parables will take on their full illustration with the coming of the new age, when Christ returns to set up his kingdom on the earth, and the redeemed of his kingdom bear rule with him.
Con-
I exhort to consider that perhaps you interjected a humanistic interpretation to this parable, and added some information that the parable doesn't emphasize. Please think this through. I'd be interested to hear your reply.
Grace & peace,
glad tidings
GTNotice it is the KINGDOM of GOD
Is Christ "God"?
Matthew 24:16: "and this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Matthew 10:22-24What do you make of these two verses?
Hi BD,
No he is a servant of God given full authority and filled with God's Spirit.
Why not follow him?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 16 2009,07:46) Hi BD,
No he is a servant of God given full authority and filled with God's Spirit.
Why not follow him?
GT seems to believe that Jesus is GodI do follow Christ, Nick and that is why I submit to God in Peace do you also submit to God in Peace?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 16 2009,08:00) Hi BD,
So you have followed him into his death and resurrection?[Rom6]
I will follow him into his death and resurrection when that occurs.When Christ reigns a thousand years will he be in the Flesh and after a thousand years what will happen then?
It is only appointed for a man to die once.
Is Jesus returning as a Spirit or as a Flesh and Blood human being?
Hi BD,
You opportunity is now.
Rebirth of water in the name of Jesus and the Spirit.
After death there is only judgement and no second chances[Heb]Hi BD,
He will have an imperishable body and so will his brothers.[1Cor15]
The second death is only for the goats after the second resurrection and Judgement[Rev20, Mt25]
It is appointed to mankind to die once but some place themselves by their choices in the position of inheriting a second deathQuote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 16 2009,08:27) Hi BD,
He will have an imperishable body and so will his brothers.[1Cor15]
The second death is only for the goats after the second resurrection and Judgement[Rev20, Mt25]
It is appointed to mankind to die once but some place themselves by their choices in the position of inheriting a second death
So Jesus had an imperishable body when taken up to heaven?BD,
I read these verses exactly the way they are written. The Son of Man is also the king the kingdom, , The Messiah, etc. I do not see him being called "God" ( YHWH) anywhere in the scriptures.
Cheers
Quote (glad tidings @ Nov. 15 2009,11:36) I believe that this forum should be divided up into Christian and Non-christian sections. Acts 4:12: "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." [Jesus is the name; he is the Saviour, and no other man's name fits the description, role, designation, or purpose of The Messiah. PERIOD] IMO, when it comes to Biblical text, I believe we as Christians should be diligent to not allow others (in different religions) to put a question mark where a period belongs.
Con- I think your interpretation of Matthew 13:33 sounds interesting, but may be missing the point Jesus was trying to make in a much simpler way.
"Another parable He spoke to them: "The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till it was all leavened.
Here's what I get from the parable: Leaven is not always associated with evil in the scriptures, [and nor are women, as you mentioned previously] and I believe it does not carry this association here In Matthew 13. Here's why:
Jesus had spoken a string of parables during the time of this recorded parable (i.e., Sower, Tares, Mustard Seed, and then Leaven) each parable is intended to emphasize a simple, yet vitally important truth to be grasped about the Kingdom.
Leaven is a rising agent and it acts in mysterious ways in a blob of dough. When this agent is kneaded into a batch, its dynamic effects of rising the dough take place irreversibly and without notice of the human eye (it's gradual and it happens internally). And before too long, the whole blob of dough is effected.
The point in this illustration is to be applied to one thing, and that is, the manner in which growth in the Kingdom of God takes place. The kingdom is not going to grow by external forces (that is, armies, religious organizations or inquisitions, etc.), but will grow (mysteriously) from within via the power of and unquenchable agent, the holy spirit. Nobody is going to be able to stop the effects of this growth until the whole world is effected.
Matthew 24:16: "and this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
This is closely associated with the previous parable he spoke about the mustard seed. In this parable emphasizes that even though the number of people who would inherit the kingdom would be very small (like a mustard seed), the future growth (progeny) arising from this nucleus of citizens would be way out of proportion to the size of its initial beginnings.
My personal belief is that these parables will take on their full illustration with the coming of the new age, when Christ returns to set up his kingdom on the earth, and the redeemed of his kingdom bear rule with him.
Con-
I exhort to consider that perhaps you interjected a humanistic interpretation to this parable, and added some information that the parable doesn't emphasize. Please think this through. I'd be interested to hear your reply.
Grace & peace,
glad tidings
Show me where leven is spoken of as righteous.Did you know these are all ONE parable?:
1. The lost sheep – Luke 15:3-7
2. The lost coin – Luke 15:8-10
3. The lost boy – Luke 15:11-32
4. The unjust steward – Luke 16:1-13
5. The rich man and Lazarus – Luke 16:19-31
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 16 2009,08:27) Hi BD,
He will have an imperishable body and so will his brothers.[1Cor15]
The second death is only for the goats after the second resurrection and Judgement[Rev20, Mt25]
It is appointed to mankind to die once but some place themselves by their choices in the position of inheriting a second death
Why is it said in Corinthians that Jesus was buried? He was placed in a tomb according to the scriptures elsewhere.This is odd:
1 Corinthians 15
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
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For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Mark 12:35-37Which of these are correct? Jesus said that God is reigning and he will be at the right hand of God until God places his enemies under his feet but Paul says that Jesus is reigning and will give back the Kingdom to God when he(Jesus) defeats his enemies.
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